Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
LRod posted:

"K2, huh? New York City? That explains why you were able to work
"multiple states." You have, what, six of them within 100 miles? Try
that in any state west of the Appalachins."

No, central New Jersey. Dhuh!

which is close for the point to be valid

"Whiny old timer, out of touch with reality, loss of memory of old
time

ham radio, ****ed because of Incentive Licensing, lets other people
determine his enjoyment of a hobby, still hanging around the amateur
radio newsgroups despite being unlicensed for nearly a quarter
century."

No Mr. Dork, I simply lost interest in ham radio when it became
infested with clueless CB types who only hold ham tickets because they
crammed their way through the licensing exams. When store purchased
commercial rigs appeared, the ham bands became cluttered with these
types to the extent that one QSO after another led to nothing but
uninformed, mindless blathering as it remains today.

Hmm you lost interest but you are HERE engaging in debate over it

However, I am forever grateful to my ham radio experience because it
led the way for me to obtain my First Class Commercial ticket, my job
as chief engineer of a Trenton, NJ radio station, and ultimately paid
for my BS level college education at Drexel University. The knowledge
acquired though my ham activities also qualified me for a coop job as
a
transmitter designer at Barker & Williamson (the B&W 5100 xmtr was one
of my projects and later the Army's T368 transmitter.) My ham radio
and educational background ultimately led me to a 15+ year career with
Raytheon developing military electronics.

When active as a ham, the majority of my time was spent developing and
perfecting ham TV rigs and TTY systems that represented the cutting
edge technology of that time when the joy of building and operating a
conventional CW, AM, or SSB rig became old hat.

What saddens me most is the degree to which ham radio has become
emasculated and rendered devoid of almost all technical value.
Bitter,
no. Saddened, yes!

looks like one the fellas still ****ed over Incentive licensing and
blaming those who just followed the rules laid down for getting their
licenses for the rulst of the ARRL's games back then, some several
decades ago

wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this
case an Bitter Old Timer

Harry C.


See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He
argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING.

realy I thought that was Stevie's job and you claim anyone that
disagrees with you knows nothing

BTW I don't argue with everyone, let alone about everything

You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone
agrees to agree with you, in advance

Dan/W4NTI

Not at all. I just consider you a complete fool and chose not to waste my
time debating such an ignorant goof as you.

gee that isn't waht you said last week, but then I don't realy expect
folks like you to keep theire stories straight, even from post to post



Dan/W4NTI

nobodys_old_friend wrote:
Dr.Ace wrote:
"nobodys_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...


Snipped

wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this
case an Bitter Old Timer

Harry C.


See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He
argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING.

realy I thought that was Stevie's job and you claim anyone that
disagrees with you knows nothing

BTW I don't argue with everyone, let alone about everything

You just argue with many people about many things (most you know very little
about)!

meaning you agree that Dan mispoke I should think when he claimed, "He
argues with everyone about everything." the rest is simply a matter of
opinion, and point of view

Hardly a misrepresentation of your conduct here, Mark.

You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone
agrees to agree with you, in advance

I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing.

then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only
discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature
and importance of the beliefs he holds

"disriction"...?!?!

You can't "discuss" something unless you are utilizing the same
language, the same grammar, and the same meaning of words.

in the "hams to resure" thread somwhere before the religionous...(SNIP)

Here, for example... "hams to the resure"? "religionous"?

discusion, the reference was that I must accept that coms I thinks are
merely important are vital to safety and recovery of the region.
Indeed, like Stevie is ****ed that I see ARES type comms, by and large,
as merely preforming the important job of keeping a lot of the small
stuff off the plate of the first responders, as opposed to stuff
affecting the real size and scope of the disaster.

One cannot carry out a meaningful discourse unless there are
certain basic understandings from which to frame that conversation.

So far, you've not demonstrated that you have a real-time frame of
reference on "emergency comms" from which to make an informed opinion.

The latter type certainly did not occour during Katrina, at least in
part becuase for Hams to delver such messages there would have had to
have been somebody to to compose the message and give to us and
Somebody to delviver it to, both ends broke down in Katrina, terribly
limiting our poetencail usefullness as Hams

Your complete ignorance of what has transpired in THIS region,
from your perch on Michigan's Upper Penninsula, is obvious.

FYI, not ALL "emergency comms" are formal written traffic. And
not all "emergency comms" involve "Hi Mom, I'm safe And Will Call
Later" traffic.
Like I've said before, an_old_fiend is apparently in the same camp as Todd
(same mindset).
Also since an_old_fiend doesn't have a call sign his opinion in
radio.amateur groups doen't mean much.

I just choose not to sign it,

unlike some of you I have a life outside Ham radio, I dislike the
common custom of reduceing a person to a callsign

Mark's callsign is K B 9 R Q Z. He is an NCT. He's spent
countless months telling us of his "disability" and intent to use the
American's with Disabilites Act to "sue" anyone/everyone associated
with his failure to get a coded license.

BTW, Mark, WHAT "life" outside of Amateur Radio?

You've now created at least three screen names that I count as
"active" in order to get around Google's "daily posting limit" so you
can keep the list loaded with your rhetoric.

Doesn't sound like much of a life to me..

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
nobodys_old_friend wrote:
Dr.Ace wrote:
"nobodys_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...


Snipped

wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this
case an Bitter Old Timer

Harry C.


See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He
argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING.

realy I thought that was Stevie's job and you claim anyone that
disagrees with you knows nothing

BTW I don't argue with everyone, let alone about everything

You just argue with many people about many things (most you know very little
about)!

meaning you agree that Dan mispoke I should think when he claimed, "He
argues with everyone about everything." the rest is simply a matter of
opinion, and point of view

Hardly a misrepresentation of your conduct here, Mark.


certainly is everyone and everything are all inclusive terms

You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone
agrees to agree with you, in advance

I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing.

then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only
discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature
and importance of the beliefs he holds

cuting the english cop crap
in the "hams to resure" thread somwhere before the religionous...(SNIP)
cuting the english cop crap
discusion, the reference was that I must accept that coms I thinks are
merely important are vital to safety and recovery of the region.
Indeed, like Stevie is ****ed that I see ARES type comms, by and large,
as merely preforming the important job of keeping a lot of the small
stuff off the plate of the first responders, as opposed to stuff
affecting the real size and scope of the disaster.

One cannot carry out a meaningful discourse unless there are
certain basic understandings from which to frame that conversation.

you are just plain wrong on that

guess you don't follow the public debate on much of ANY political issue
in the nation

So far, you've not demonstrated that you have a real-time frame of
reference on "emergency comms" from which to make an informed opinion.

not needed at all, indeed if I had than I would likely be unable to
discuss the issue with any impartiality, which would seem to be Dan's
(and your's) problem. You all can't what you are talking about becuase
your own egos are involved

I have taken accepting as fact the claimed message traffic and comented
on its importance in the over all scheme of thing

The latter type certainly did not occour during Katrina, at least in
part becuase for Hams to delver such messages there would have had to
have been somebody to to compose the message and give to us and
Somebody to delviver it to, both ends broke down in Katrina, terribly
limiting our poetencail usefullness as Hams

Your complete ignorance of what has transpired in THIS region,
from your perch on Michigan's Upper Penninsula, is obvious.

I know what is going on there

you are not in that region either strictly speaking

you over look the fact that the onlooker sees most of the game, and the
players don't


FYI, not ALL "emergency comms" are formal written traffic. And
not all "emergency comms" involve "Hi Mom, I'm safe And Will Call
Later" traffic.

never said anything of the sort

Like I've said before, an_old_fiend is apparently in the same camp as Todd
(same mindset).
Also since an_old_fiend doesn't have a call sign his opinion in
radio.amateur groups doen't mean much.

I just choose not to sign it,

unlike some of you I have a life outside Ham radio, I dislike the
common custom of reduceing a person to a callsign

Mark's callsign is K B 9 R Q Z. He is an NCT.

my word 2 true statements in a row I may die of the shock

but as I said I have a callsign just chose not to sign to ervything

He's spent
countless months telling us of his "disability" and intent to use the
American's with Disabilites Act to "sue" anyone/everyone associated
with his failure to get a coded license.

but you saved by lying again

BTW, Mark, WHAT "life" outside of Amateur Radio?

my life is non of YOUR busness unless I chose to share those deatils

You've now created at least three screen names that I count as
"active" in order to get around Google's "daily posting limit" so you
can keep the list loaded with your rhetoric.

so? you count

and it is ok acording to you for you count my ppost and analyze them
but not for me when I choose to do the same

Doesn't sound like much of a life to me..

Thank you Stevie must mean I am doing something right that you
disaprove

Steve, K4YZ

nobodys old friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
nobodys_old_friend wrote:
Dr.Ace wrote:
"nobodys_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

meaning you agree that Dan mispoke I should think when he claimed, "He
argues with everyone about everything." the rest is simply a matter of
opinion, and point of view

Hardly a misrepresentation of your conduct here, Mark.

certainly is everyone and everything are all inclusive terms

I am certain that that meant something to you...

You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone
agrees to agree with you, in advance

I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing.

then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only
discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature
and importance of the beliefs he holds

cuting the english cop crap

Reinserting Mark's censorship in order to maintain context:

then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only
discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature
and importance of the beliefs he holds

QUOTE:

"disriction"...?!?!

You can't "discuss" something unless you are utilizing the same
language, the same grammar, and the same meaning of words.

UNQUOTE

in the "hams to resure" thread somwhere before the religionous...(SNIP)
cuting the english cop crap

Reinserting Mark's censorship to maintain context:

QUOTE:

in the "hams to resure" thread somwhere before the religionous...(SNIP)


Here, for example... "hams to the resure"? "religionous"?

UNQUOTE

You continue to "dismiss" as "speling cop crap" efforts to get you
to use the same words in the same context as others so that we may all
understand each other.

Your "cut" and "speling cop crap" are nothing but censorship.

And you DO remember who was famous for censorship, don't you,
Mark?

discusion, the reference was that I must accept that coms I thinks are
merely important are vital to safety and recovery of the region.
Indeed, like Stevie is ****ed that I see ARES type comms, by and large,
as merely preforming the important job of keeping a lot of the small
stuff off the plate of the first responders, as opposed to stuff
affecting the real size and scope of the disaster.

One cannot carry out a meaningful discourse unless there are
certain basic understandings from which to frame that conversation.

you are just plain wrong on that

No, I am not.

As any lingusitics professor, Mark...

guess you don't follow the public debate on much of ANY political issue
in the nation

Sure I do.

And I know that each of the parties concerned use the same words
and in the same context.

BTW, Mark...that was a really WEAK effort at diversion...

So far, you've not demonstrated that you have a real-time frame of
reference on "emergency comms" from which to make an informed opinion.

not needed at all, indeed if I had than I would likely be unable to
discuss the issue with any impartiality, which would seem to be Dan's
(and your's) problem. You all can't what you are talking about becuase
your own egos are involved

It's got nothing to do with ego.

It has to do with disparate parties discussing a common subject
from a common understanding.

"Communication" does NOT occur unless both parties have SOME
common frame of reference from which to understand each otehr.

I have taken accepting as fact the claimed message traffic and comented
on its importance in the over all scheme of thing

That said what?

The latter type certainly did not occour during Katrina, at least in
part becuase for Hams to delver such messages there would have had to
have been somebody to to compose the message and give to us and
Somebody to delviver it to, both ends broke down in Katrina, terribly
limiting our poetencail usefullness as Hams

Your complete ignorance of what has transpired in THIS region,
from your perch on Michigan's Upper Penninsula, is obvious.

I know what is going on there

Obviously not.

you are not in that region either strictly speaking

Sure I am.

you over look the fact that the onlooker sees most of the game, and the
players don't

Ahhhhhh....so from your perch in UP Michigan you know more about
what's going on than those of us who have actually been involved in
it..?!?!

BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
! ! ! ! ! ! !

FYI, not ALL "emergency comms" are formal written traffic. And
not all "emergency comms" involve "Hi Mom, I'm safe And Will Call
Later" traffic.

never said anything of the sort

You aren't capable.
Like I've said before, an_old_fiend is apparently in the same camp as Todd
(same mindset).
Also since an_old_fiend doesn't have a call sign his opinion in
radio.amateur groups doen't mean much.

I just choose not to sign it,

unlike some of you I have a life outside Ham radio, I dislike the
common custom of reduceing a person to a callsign

Mark's callsign is K B 9 R Q Z. He is an NCT.

my word 2 true statements in a row I may die of the shock

Don't tease me.

but as I said I have a callsign just chose not to sign to ervything

"everything"...

No...You claimed that you didn't sign your Amateur Radio callsign
to Amateur Radio related posts because "...unlike some of you I have a
life outside Ham radio, I dislike the common custom of reduceing (sic)
a person to a callsign."

(A) Your callsign has EVERYthing to do with "Ham" radio, and (B)
attaching your Amateur Radio callsign no more "reduces" you in an
Amateur Radio forum than using your ISP screen name "reduces" you on
the Internet.

He's spent
countless months telling us of his "disability" and intent to use the
American's with Disabilites Act to "sue" anyone/everyone associated
with his failure to get a coded license.

but you saved by lying again

Nope.

BTW, Mark, WHAT "life" outside of Amateur Radio?

my life is non of YOUR busness unless I chose to share those deatils

You have no life outside Amateur Radio, Mark. As a matter of
fact, you have little life that moves you beyond the four walls of your
house.

You've now created at least three screen names that I count as
"active" in order to get around Google's "daily posting limit" so you
can keep the list loaded with your rhetoric.

so? you count

I don't have to. It's obvious.

You've alleged that I am "obsessive-compulsive" about responding
to RRAP posts, yet YOU are the one who has created the means by which
you can defeat the posting limits so YOU can "pounce" on everyone
else's posts.

and it is ok acording to you for you count my ppost and analyze them
but not for me when I choose to do the same

Doesn't sound like much of a life to me..

Thank you Stevie must mean I am doing something right that you
disaprove

You're a deceitful, lying , pathologically mistruthful sexual
devaiant, Mark.

There's so much about you to disapprove of.

Steve, K4YZ

"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...

nobodys old friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
nobodys_old_friend wrote:
Dr.Ace wrote:
"nobodys_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

meaning you agree that Dan mispoke I should think when he claimed,
"He
argues with everyone about everything." the rest is simply a matter
of
opinion, and point of view

Hardly a misrepresentation of your conduct here, Mark.

certainly is everyone and everything are all inclusive terms

I am certain that that meant something to you...

You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after
everyone
agrees to agree with you, in advance

I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing.

then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only
discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the
nature
and importance of the beliefs he holds

cuting the english cop crap

Reinserting Mark's censorship in order to maintain context:

then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only
discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature
and importance of the beliefs he holds

QUOTE:

"disriction"...?!?!

You can't "discuss" something unless you are utilizing the same
language, the same grammar, and the same meaning of words.

UNQUOTE

in the "hams to resure" thread somwhere before the
religionous...(SNIP)
cuting the english cop crap

Reinserting Mark's censorship to maintain context:

QUOTE:

in the "hams to resure" thread somwhere before the religionous...(SNIP)


Here, for example... "hams to the resure"? "religionous"?

UNQUOTE

You continue to "dismiss" as "speling cop crap" efforts to get you
to use the same words in the same context as others so that we may all
understand each other.

Your "cut" and "speling cop crap" are nothing but censorship.

And you DO remember who was famous for censorship, don't you,
Mark?

discusion, the reference was that I must accept that coms I thinks
are
merely important are vital to safety and recovery of the region.
Indeed, like Stevie is ****ed that I see ARES type comms, by and
large,
as merely preforming the important job of keeping a lot of the small
stuff off the plate of the first responders, as opposed to stuff
affecting the real size and scope of the disaster.

One cannot carry out a meaningful discourse unless there are
certain basic understandings from which to frame that conversation.

you are just plain wrong on that

No, I am not.

As any lingusitics professor, Mark...

guess you don't follow the public debate on much of ANY political issue
in the nation

Sure I do.

And I know that each of the parties concerned use the same words
and in the same context.

BTW, Mark...that was a really WEAK effort at diversion...

So far, you've not demonstrated that you have a real-time frame of
reference on "emergency comms" from which to make an informed opinion.

not needed at all, indeed if I had than I would likely be unable to
discuss the issue with any impartiality, which would seem to be Dan's
(and your's) problem. You all can't what you are talking about becuase
your own egos are involved

It's got nothing to do with ego.

It has to do with disparate parties discussing a common subject
from a common understanding.

"Communication" does NOT occur unless both parties have SOME
common frame of reference from which to understand each otehr.

I have taken accepting as fact the claimed message traffic and comented
on its importance in the over all scheme of thing

That said what?

The latter type certainly did not occour during Katrina, at least in
part becuase for Hams to delver such messages there would have had to
have been somebody to to compose the message and give to us and
Somebody to delviver it to, both ends broke down in Katrina, terribly
limiting our poetencail usefullness as Hams

Your complete ignorance of what has transpired in THIS region,
from your perch on Michigan's Upper Penninsula, is obvious.

I know what is going on there

Obviously not.

you are not in that region either strictly speaking

Sure I am.

you over look the fact that the onlooker sees most of the game, and the
players don't

Ahhhhhh....so from your perch in UP Michigan you know more about
what's going on than those of us who have actually been involved in
it..?!?!

BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
! ! ! ! ! ! !

FYI, not ALL "emergency comms" are formal written traffic. And
not all "emergency comms" involve "Hi Mom, I'm safe And Will Call
Later" traffic.

never said anything of the sort

You aren't capable.
Like I've said before, an_old_fiend is apparently in the same camp
as Todd
(same mindset).
Also since an_old_fiend doesn't have a call sign his opinion in
radio.amateur groups doen't mean much.

I just choose not to sign it,

unlike some of you I have a life outside Ham radio, I dislike the
common custom of reduceing a person to a callsign

Mark's callsign is K B 9 R Q Z. He is an NCT.

my word 2 true statements in a row I may die of the shock

Don't tease me.

but as I said I have a callsign just chose not to sign to ervything

"everything"...

No...You claimed that you didn't sign your Amateur Radio callsign
to Amateur Radio related posts because "...unlike some of you I have a
life outside Ham radio, I dislike the common custom of reduceing (sic)
a person to a callsign."

(A) Your callsign has EVERYthing to do with "Ham" radio, and (B)
attaching your Amateur Radio callsign no more "reduces" you in an
Amateur Radio forum than using your ISP screen name "reduces" you on
the Internet.

He's spent
countless months telling us of his "disability" and intent to use the
American's with Disabilites Act to "sue" anyone/everyone associated
with his failure to get a coded license.

but you saved by lying again

Nope.

BTW, Mark, WHAT "life" outside of Amateur Radio?

my life is non of YOUR busness unless I chose to share those deatils

You have no life outside Amateur Radio, Mark. As a matter of
fact, you have little life that moves you beyond the four walls of your
house.

You've now created at least three screen names that I count as
"active" in order to get around Google's "daily posting limit" so you
can keep the list loaded with your rhetoric.

so? you count

I don't have to. It's obvious.

You've alleged that I am "obsessive-compulsive" about responding
to RRAP posts, yet YOU are the one who has created the means by which
you can defeat the posting limits so YOU can "pounce" on everyone
else's posts.

and it is ok acording to you for you count my ppost and analyze them
but not for me when I choose to do the same

Doesn't sound like much of a life to me..

Thank you Stevie must mean I am doing something right that you
disaprove

You're a deceitful, lying , pathologically mistruthful sexual
devaiant, Mark.

There's so much about you to disapprove of.

Steve, K4YZ


Anyone that needs to use several screen names is obviously very insecure.
You may indeed have a point here Steve. He is a momma's boy, still living
at home at a point in his life that he should be saving for his retirement
for a career, which he obviously does not have.

He is a pathetic excuse for a ham, let alone for a human being. He is
ashamed of his life, and over compensates by literally begging for
attention here on USENET. That is like jumping into a pond full of
Alligators and wondering why they are chewing you to death. He feels
inferior in life as well as in ham radio. As stated.....A pathetic
excuse.....etc.

Dan/W4NTI

KY4Z wrote:
nobodys old friend wrote:
KY4Z wrote:
nobodys_old_friend wrote:
Dr.Ace wrote:
"nobodys_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

meaning you agree that Dan mispoke I should think when he claimed, "He
argues with everyone about everything." the rest is simply a matter of
opinion, and point of view

Hardly a misrepresentation of your conduct here, Mark.

certainly is everyone and everything are all inclusive terms

I am certain that that meant something to you...

indeed I am sure it meant something to a lot of people, perhaps the
catagory is what excludes you

You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone
agrees to agree with you, in advance

I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing.

then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only
discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature
and importance of the beliefs he holds

cuting the english cop crap
cuting the waste of text again

You continue to "dismiss" as "speling cop crap" efforts to get you
to use the same words in the same context as others so that we may all
understand each other.

another lie on your part. You aretying to define the debate by your own
spin, I refuse to allow that

Your "cut" and "speling cop crap" are nothing but censorship.

Not at all

You can and certainly will choose to keep typing your crap, I am making
no effort to stop it. I just choose not to have it count on my tab of
Bandwidth

what is censorhsip when you alter my posts and respond to the sentence
as if it was the way I wrote it after all to paraphrase you they can
alway go back and see what I choose to cut out

And you DO remember who was famous for censorship, don't you,
Mark?

Yes you are famous for cenorship Stevie at least around here

discusion, the reference was that I must accept that coms I thinks are
merely important are vital to safety and recovery of the region.
Indeed, like Stevie is ****ed that I see ARES type comms, by and large,
as merely preforming the important job of keeping a lot of the small
stuff off the plate of the first responders, as opposed to stuff
affecting the real size and scope of the disaster.

One cannot carry out a meaningful discourse unless there are
certain basic understandings from which to frame that conversation.

you are just plain wrong on that

No, I am not.

yes you are

As any lingusitics professor, Mark...

it isn't a matter of linguistics


guess you don't follow the public debate on much of ANY political issue
in the nation

Sure I do.

the you were lying when you said "One cannot carry out a meaningful
discourse unless there are certain basic understandings from which to
frame that conversation."

And I know that each of the parties concerned use the same words
and in the same context.

like I said you are a fool or a liar

BTW, Mark...that was a really WEAK effort at diversion...

not a diveration but at strike at te heart of your argument. It was
exactly on point

So far, you've not demonstrated that you have a real-time frame of
reference on "emergency comms" from which to make an informed opinion.

not needed at all, indeed if I had than I would likely be unable to
discuss the issue with any impartiality, which would seem to be Dan's
(and your's) problem. You all can't what you are talking about becuase
your own egos are involved

It's got nothing to do with ego.

sure does

It has to do with disparate parties discussing a common subject
from a common understanding.

nope it is about the effort of some to limit debate to those that agree
with them in advance very much a page from Yesir Imarat's (mispeeling
for effect) playbook

"Communication" does NOT occur unless both parties have SOME
common frame of reference from which to understand each otehr.


it also does not occour whn one or more parties decide they are not
interested in any view but their own, as is the case here all so often

I have taken accepting as fact the claimed message traffic and comented
on its importance in the over all scheme of thing

That said what?

what it said

The latter type certainly did not occour during Katrina, at least in
part becuase for Hams to delver such messages there would have had to
have been somebody to to compose the message and give to us and
Somebody to delviver it to, both ends broke down in Katrina, terribly
limiting our poetencail usefullness as Hams

Your complete ignorance of what has transpired in THIS region,
from your perch on Michigan's Upper Penninsula, is obvious.

I know what is going on there

Obviously not.

only in your world that is so disconected from reality

you are not in that region either strictly speaking

Sure I am.

nope you are not, unless you are lying on your address to the FCC

you over look the fact that the onlooker sees most of the game, and the
players don't

Ahhhhhh....so from your perch in UP Michigan you know more about
what's going on than those of us who have actually been involved in
it..?!?!

certainly I do know much you can't know because you were in the mudst
of it. a plain and simple fact


cut the crying
FYI, not ALL "emergency comms" are formal written traffic. And
not all "emergency comms" involve "Hi Mom, I'm safe And Will Call
Later" traffic.

never said anything of the sort

You aren't capable.

I certainly am

more Stevie lies

Like I've said before, an_old_fiend is apparently in the same camp as Todd
(same mindset).
Also since an_old_fiend doesn't have a call sign his opinion in
radio.amateur groups doen't mean much.

I just choose not to sign it,

unlike some of you I have a life outside Ham radio, I dislike the
common custom of reduceing a person to a callsign

Mark's callsign is K B 9 R Q Z. He is an NCT.

my word 2 true statements in a row I may die of the shock

Don't tease me.

but as I said I have a callsign just chose not to sign to ervything

"everything"...

No...You claimed that you didn't sign your Amateur Radio callsign
to Amateur Radio related posts because "...unlike some of you I have a
life outside Ham radio, I dislike the common custom of reduceing (sic)
a person to a callsign."

that is why I make the choice I do the one statement is just an
elaboration of the other, both are true

cuting the raving
He's spent
countless months telling us of his "disability" and intent to use the
American's with Disabilites Act to "sue" anyone/everyone associated
with his failure to get a coded license.

but you saved by lying again

Nope.

yes you are lying when you make the statement "He's spent countless
months telling us of his "disability" and intent to use the American's
with Disabilites Act to "sue" anyone/everyone associated with his
failure to get a coded license."

plain and simple

I have discused the the legalities of the ADA and Code testing but made
no threat to sue anyone at all, and since you add anyone assocated with
I mentioned I never threatened to sue you on that basis either

BTW, Mark, WHAT "life" outside of Amateur Radio?

my life is non of YOUR busness unless I chose to share those deatils

You have no life outside Amateur Radio, Mark.

I certainly

As a matter of
fact, you have little life that moves you beyond the four walls of your
house.

closer than you normaly get, since I do work from my home. I don't have
a lot that moves to travel beyond my home, but that is how I like it.

If you said I had nothing that got me much off MY land you'd be even
closer.

I enjoy the freedom to work when I choose and only as much as I choose.
I can hunt and fish, build stuff, Most of the world beyond comes to ME
when I need it. I am living the life I dreamed of as a kid


You've now created at least three screen names that I count as
"active" in order to get around Google's "daily posting limit" so you
can keep the list loaded with your rhetoric.

so? you count

I don't have to. It's obvious.

You've alleged that I am "obsessive-compulsive" about responding
to RRAP posts, yet YOU are the one who has created the means by which
you can defeat the posting limits so YOU can "pounce" on everyone
else's posts.

not on everyone


and it is ok acording to you for you count my ppost and analyze them
but not for me when I choose to do the same

Doesn't sound like much of a life to me..

Thank you Stevie must mean I am doing something right that you
disaprove
cuting the sexual refence again

There's so much about you to disapprove of.

thank you very much Stevie

Steve, KY4Z

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...

nobodys old friend wrote:
cut


There's so much about you to disapprove of.

Steve, K4YZ


Anyone that needs to use several screen names is obviously very insecure.
You may indeed have a point here Steve. He is a momma's boy, still living
at home at a point in his life that he should be saving for his retirement
for a career, which he obviously does not have.

"saving for his retirement for a career"

auf Anglish bitte?

I use one screen name an Old friend I use several emails accounts far
more than 3 BTW

I am retired or at least semi reitred

He is a pathetic excuse for a ham, let alone for a human being.

you have no reffernece for either of those statements Dan
He is
ashamed of his life,

Where do you get this ****?

and over compensates by literally begging for
attention here on USENET. That is like jumping into a pond full of
Alligators and wondering why they are chewing you to death. He feels
inferior in life as well as in ham radio.

Inferior? I certainly don't feel inferoir to you or anyone else in
here, Indeed this place is good for boasting ones ego, esp if I am
having a bad day, I can look at the crap folks like you spew out

As stated.....A pathetic
excuse.....etc.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...

nobodys old friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
nobodys_old_friend wrote:
Dr.Ace wrote:
"nobodys_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

meaning you agree that Dan mispoke I should think when he claimed,
"He
argues with everyone about everything." the rest is simply a matter
of
opinion, and point of view

Hardly a misrepresentation of your conduct here, Mark.

certainly is everyone and everything are all inclusive terms

I am certain that that meant something to you...

You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after
everyone
agrees to agree with you, in advance

I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing.

then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only
discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the
nature
and importance of the beliefs he holds

cuting the english cop crap

Reinserting Mark's censorship in order to maintain context:

then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only
discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature
and importance of the beliefs he holds

QUOTE:

"disriction"...?!?!

You can't "discuss" something unless you are utilizing the same
language, the same grammar, and the same meaning of words.

UNQUOTE

in the "hams to resure" thread somwhere before the
religionous...(SNIP)
cuting the english cop crap

Reinserting Mark's censorship to maintain context:

QUOTE:

in the "hams to resure" thread somwhere before the religionous...(SNIP)


Here, for example... "hams to the resure"? "religionous"?

UNQUOTE

You continue to "dismiss" as "speling cop crap" efforts to get you
to use the same words in the same context as others so that we may all
understand each other.

Your "cut" and "speling cop crap" are nothing but censorship.

And you DO remember who was famous for censorship, don't you,
Mark?

discusion, the reference was that I must accept that coms I thinks
are
merely important are vital to safety and recovery of the region.
Indeed, like Stevie is ****ed that I see ARES type comms, by and
large,
as merely preforming the important job of keeping a lot of the small
stuff off the plate of the first responders, as opposed to stuff
affecting the real size and scope of the disaster.

One cannot carry out a meaningful discourse unless there are
certain basic understandings from which to frame that conversation.

you are just plain wrong on that

No, I am not.

As any lingusitics professor, Mark...

guess you don't follow the public debate on much of ANY political issue
in the nation

Sure I do.

And I know that each of the parties concerned use the same words
and in the same context.

BTW, Mark...that was a really WEAK effort at diversion...

So far, you've not demonstrated that you have a real-time frame of
reference on "emergency comms" from which to make an informed opinion.

not needed at all, indeed if I had than I would likely be unable to
discuss the issue with any impartiality, which would seem to be Dan's
(and your's) problem. You all can't what you are talking about becuase
your own egos are involved

It's got nothing to do with ego.

It has to do with disparate parties discussing a common subject
from a common understanding.

"Communication" does NOT occur unless both parties have SOME
common frame of reference from which to understand each otehr.

I have taken accepting as fact the claimed message traffic and comented
on its importance in the over all scheme of thing

That said what?

The latter type certainly did not occour during Katrina, at least in
part becuase for Hams to delver such messages there would have had to
have been somebody to to compose the message and give to us and
Somebody to delviver it to, both ends broke down in Katrina, terribly
limiting our poetencail usefullness as Hams

Your complete ignorance of what has transpired in THIS region,
from your perch on Michigan's Upper Penninsula, is obvious.

I know what is going on there

Obviously not.

you are not in that region either strictly speaking

Sure I am.

you over look the fact that the onlooker sees most of the game, and the
players don't

Ahhhhhh....so from your perch in UP Michigan you know more about
what's going on than those of us who have actually been involved in
it..?!?!

BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
! ! ! ! ! ! !

FYI, not ALL "emergency comms" are formal written traffic. And
not all "emergency comms" involve "Hi Mom, I'm safe And Will Call
Later" traffic.

never said anything of the sort

You aren't capable.
Like I've said before, an_old_fiend is apparently in the same camp
as Todd
(same mindset).
Also since an_old_fiend doesn't have a call sign his opinion in
radio.amateur groups doen't mean much.

I just choose not to sign it,

unlike some of you I have a life outside Ham radio, I dislike the
common custom of reduceing a person to a callsign

Mark's callsign is K B 9 R Q Z. He is an NCT.

my word 2 true statements in a row I may die of the shock

Don't tease me.

but as I said I have a callsign just chose not to sign to ervything

"everything"...

No...You claimed that you didn't sign your Amateur Radio callsign
to Amateur Radio related posts because "...unlike some of you I have a
life outside Ham radio, I dislike the common custom of reduceing (sic)
a person to a callsign."

(A) Your callsign has EVERYthing to do with "Ham" radio, and (B)
attaching your Amateur Radio callsign no more "reduces" you in an
Amateur Radio forum than using your ISP screen name "reduces" you on
the Internet.

He's spent
countless months telling us of his "disability" and intent to use the
American's with Disabilites Act to "sue" anyone/everyone associated
with his failure to get a coded license.

but you saved by lying again

Nope.

BTW, Mark, WHAT "life" outside of Amateur Radio?

my life is non of YOUR busness unless I chose to share those deatils

You have no life outside Amateur Radio, Mark. As a matter of
fact, you have little life that moves you beyond the four walls of your
house.

You've now created at least three screen names that I count as
"active" in order to get around Google's "daily posting limit" so you
can keep the list loaded with your rhetoric.

so? you count

I don't have to. It's obvious.

You've alleged that I am "obsessive-compulsive" about responding
to RRAP posts, yet YOU are the one who has created the means by which
you can defeat the posting limits so YOU can "pounce" on everyone
else's posts.

and it is ok acording to you for you count my ppost and analyze them
but not for me when I choose to do the same

Doesn't sound like much of a life to me..

Thank you Stevie must mean I am doing something right that you
disaprove

You're a deceitful, lying , pathologically mistruthful sexual
devaiant, Mark.

There's so much about you to disapprove of.

Steve, K4YZ


Anyone that needs to use several screen names is obviously very insecure.
You may indeed have a point here Steve. He is a momma's boy, still living
at home at a point in his life that he should be saving for his retirement
for a career, which he obviously does not have.

Oh, I don't think it's a matter of being "insecure", Dave...It's
just that Mark is all about being all the things he accuses others
of...

As I specified, Mark has accused me of being
"obsessive-compulsive" and "ready to pounce on my every word" in RRAP
replies...

However HE is the one who needs multiple screen names to defeat
Google's posting limits in order to get his multiple-multiple responses
in in one day.

He is a pathetic excuse for a ham, let alone for a human being.

No doubt. I never see "KB9RQZ" in any of the activity reports in
any of the magazines. He alleges to have been a second operator at a
couple of Field Day activities, and I have no doubt that that pretty
much summates his "operating experience".

He is ashamed of his life, and over compensates by literally begging for
attention here on USENET.

He should be ashamed. He'a a pitiful liar. I say pitiful since
he can't even lie effectively, then admits to being a liar on top of
it. His "I am a Colonel" story was classic, but then his insistence
that he's not a mental health patient followed-up by his admissions of
having been in the system are a hoot.

He's blatantly stated he'd teach his children to lie. That in and
of itself qualifies him for a castration before he can procreate any
further. I say "further" because he has, in the past, made allusion to
an ex-wife who was "stalking" him for child support...No doubt another
of his failures. I am divorced but no one ever had to "stalk" me to
make good on my obligations to my daughter and son.

That is like jumping into a pond full of
Alligators and wondering why they are chewing you to death. He feels
inferior in life as well as in ham radio. As stated.....A pathetic
excuse.....etc.

Hear hear.

73

Steve, K4YZ

nobodys old friend wrote:
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...

nobodys old friend wrote:
cut

"cut" = KB9RQZ censorship

There's so much about you to disapprove of.

Steve, K4YZ


Anyone that needs to use several screen names is obviously very insecure.
You may indeed have a point here Steve. He is a momma's boy, still living
at home at a point in his life that he should be saving for his retirement
for a career, which he obviously does not have.

"saving for his retirement for a career"

auf Anglish bitte?

I understood it perfectly.

He said you shouldn't be such a parasite.

I use one screen name an Old friend I use several emails accounts far
more than 3 BTW

I am retired or at least semi reitred

Nope. You're "retarded"

He is a pathetic excuse for a ham, let alone for a human being.

you have no reffernece for either of those statements Dan

I do. A couple e-mails exchanged with the radio club in Illinois.

No wonder you moved.

He is
ashamed of his life,

Where do you get this ####?

From you.

and over compensates by literally begging for
attention here on USENET. That is like jumping into a pond full of
Alligators and wondering why they are chewing you to death. He feels
inferior in life as well as in ham radio.

Inferior? I certainly don't feel inferoir to you or anyone else in
here, Indeed this place is good for boasting ones ego, esp if I am
having a bad day, I can look at the crap folks like you spew out

Mark's getting twisted again, Dan...Notice he can't even spell the
same word correctly within five words?

Yes..."inferior" is a good word. Hence his need to be a
"colonel", etc etc etc...

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...

nobodys old friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
nobodys_old_friend wrote:
Dr.Ace wrote:
"nobodys_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

meaning you agree that Dan mispoke I should think when he claimed,
"He
argues with everyone about everything." the rest is simply a matter
of
opinion, and point of view

Hardly a misrepresentation of your conduct here, Mark.

certainly is everyone and everything are all inclusive terms

I am certain that that meant something to you...

You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after
everyone
agrees to agree with you, in advance

I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing.

then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only
discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the
nature
and importance of the beliefs he holds

cuting the english cop crap
cut



There's so much about you to disapprove of.

Steve, K4YZ


Anyone that needs to use several screen names is obviously very insecure.
You may indeed have a point here Steve. He is a momma's boy, still living
at home at a point in his life that he should be saving for his retirement
for a career, which he obviously does not have.

Oh, I don't think it's a matter of being "insecure", Dave...It's
just that Mark is all about being all the things he accuses others
of...

then you are wrong again I am not a homophobe you are.. etc
cut
He is a pathetic excuse for a ham, let alone for a human being.

No doubt. I never see "KB9RQZ" in any of the activity reports in

another lie frommyou Stevie you even sent me a note on something in CQ
or was it CQ VHF

any of the magazines. He alleges to have been a second operator at a
couple of Field Day activities,

nope an a second operator

and I have no doubt that that pretty
much summates his "operating experience".

then of course you are wrong as is normal for you

He is ashamed of his life, and over compensates by literally begging for
attention here on USENET.

He should be ashamed.

OTOH I am not, so

He'a a pitiful liar. I say pitiful since
he can't even lie effectively, then admits to being a liar on top of
it. His "I am a Colonel" story was classic, but then his insistence
that he's not a mental health patient followed-up by his admissions of
having been in the system are a hoot.

you can't deal with Tenses very well

He's blatantly stated he'd teach his children to lie. That in and
of itself qualifies him for a castration before he can procreate any
further.

showing that you do not respect diverity of opinion


I say "further" because he has, in the past, made allusion to
an ex-wife who was "stalking" him for child support...No doubt another
of his failures.

Another lie never said it had anything to do with child support

I am divorced but no one ever had to "stalk" me to
make good on my obligations to my daughter and son.

no one would want to

but you now admitt a failed marriage

That is like jumping into a pond full of
Alligators and wondering why they are chewing you to death. He feels
inferior in life as well as in ham radio. As stated.....A pathetic
excuse.....etc.

Hear hear.

73

Steve, K4YZ