Iitoi wrote:

I wonder if James

Do you mean me?

will continue to challenge the tally now that it
appears to support his view of the topic, or if the challenge is based
on "you can't trust someone who has no license".

I'm simply asking for an explanation of how the 'scorecard'
is derived. The questions are simple and straightforward,
but Len gets all upset when someone questions anything he
posts here.

Here are some of the questions:

1) Does anyone check Len's work? (it appears that only Len
does this)

2) Do the totals include only comments, or reply comments?
(it appears they include reply comments too)

3) Are multiple comments/reply comments from the same person counted,
even if they are not identical? (Len has filed at least 5 different
comments/reply comments on WT 05-235. Are they counted as 1 or 5 or
something else?)

4) How is it determined if a comment has a "valid address"?

Whether or not the person posting a "scorecard" has a license or no
license makes no difference to me. Whether they are procodetest or
nocodetest also makes no difference to me.

I just want some direct answers to questions about the process of
generating the tallies. But such answers are considered insults
by Len.

Meanwhile, other parties are also counting the comments. They
show each and every comment on a website, classify it, and provide a
link
to the comment so you can see for yourself. They're listed in
alphabetical order by the last name of the filer for easy reference,
and dupes stand out clearly.

73 de Jim, N2EY

On 27 Oct 2005 14:29:50 -0700, wrote:

Iitoi wrote:

I wonder if James

Do you mean me?

will continue to challenge the tally now that it
appears to support his view of the topic, or if the challenge is based
on "you can't trust someone who has no license".

I'm simply asking for an explanation of how the 'scorecard'
is derived. The questions are simple and straightforward,
but Len gets all upset when someone questions anything he
posts here.

Here are some of the questions:

1) Does anyone check Len's work? (it appears that only Len
does this)

no you want the job
2) Do the totals include only comments, or reply comments?
(it appears they include reply comments too)

ys it would seem so

3) Are multiple comments/reply comments from the same person counted,
even if they are not identical? (Len has filed at least 5 different
comments/reply comments on WT 05-235. Are they counted as 1 or 5 or
something else?)

well given the grading it would seem that they count as one unless
someone out there is submiting coments both For and Against code
testing

4) How is it determined if a comment has a "valid address"?

by gut feeling

Whether or not the person posting a "scorecard" has a license or no
license makes no difference to me. Whether they are procodetest or
nocodetest also makes no difference to me.

I just want some direct answers to questions about the process of
generating the tallies. But such answers are considered insults
by Len.

you have your answers

BTW I thought I read you were leaving RRAP? what gives?

Meanwhile, other parties are also counting the comments. They
show each and every comment on a website, classify it, and provide a
link
to the comment so you can see for yourself. They're listed in
alphabetical order by the last name of the filer for easy reference,
and dupes stand out clearly.

73 de Jim, N2EY

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RST Engineering wrote:
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Here's where your confusion exists, Jim...The post responded to
was by Lennie Anderson, a non-licensed participant in an Amateur Radio
forum on USENET.


I don't give a royal flying freak if it was posted by a little green
Martian. Last I looked it was data posted to a usenet group by an
individual.

No kidding?

You don't need any credentials or licenses to post to any given
group, last I looked.

No, you don't need any credentials to post but you'd better have some
knowledge of the material the group deals with. Feel free to post to a
group dealing with 17th century Chinese art but you'd better not attempt
coming off as an expert. You'll be seen as a fraud and no one will take
you seriously.

And, I consider Len to be just a little more
competent to post than you.

Now I have some questions as to your credentials. Len Anderson is a
sidewalk superintendent to amateur radio.

Dave K8MN

RST Engineering wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...

Here's where your confusion exists, Jim...The post responded to
was by Lennie Anderson, a non-licensed participant in an Amateur Radio
forum on USENET.

I don't give a royal flying freak if it was posted by a little green
Martian. Last I looked it was data posted to a usenet group by an
individual. You don't need any credentials or licenses to post to any given
group, last I looked. And, I consider Len to be just a little more
competent to post than you.

I am sure you do, Jim, but you summate my opinion on YOUR opinion
very well.

Everyone sees things as they will, Jim. I am sure you "vision" is
as clear as anyone else's from THEIR perspective at any given moment.

Visions and opinions are much like assholes -- everybody has one, and most
of them stink. Mine included.

Thanks for stopping by.

Don't mention it.

I normally consider yours to be one of the more rational voices of
reason in this forum, Jim, but then I guess your last two posts pretty
well show that even the most reasoned of men just like to get in there
an toss a bit of mud from time to time, eh...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

Iitoi wrote:
K4YZ Wrote:

With THESE numbers, "Litoi", it's even better...

The name is Iitoi, not Litoi.

I statnd corrected...My apologies!

I wonder if James will continue to challenge the tally now that it
appears to support his view of the topic, or if the challenge is based
on "you can't trust someone who has no license".

Or was Lennie just caught up in the heat of the moment, no longer
able to hide the change of the tide?

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:

And the support FOR
code testing in that five hours in the "Since Notice" column jumped
almost 3 points.

The ARRL e-newsletter came out.

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:43:33 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

RST Engineering wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...


Here's where your confusion exists, Jim...The post responded to
was by Lennie Anderson, a non-licensed participant in an Amateur Radio
forum on USENET.


I don't give a royal flying freak if it was posted by a little green
Martian. Last I looked it was data posted to a usenet group by an
individual.

No kidding?

You don't need any credentials or licenses to post to any given
group, last I looked.

No, you don't need any credentials to post but you'd better have some
knowledge of the material the group deals with. Feel free to post to a
group dealing with 17th century Chinese art but you'd better not attempt
coming off as an expert. You'll be seen as a fraud and no one will take
you seriously.

and how are you conecting this the the thread at a hand

And, I consider Len to be just a little more
competent to post than you.

Now I have some questions as to your credentials. Len Anderson is a
sidewalk superintendent to amateur radio.

Dave K8MN

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On 27 Oct 2005 16:00:39 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:


RST Engineering wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...

Here's where your confusion exists, Jim...The post responded to
was by Lennie Anderson, a non-licensed participant in an Amateur Radio
forum on USENET.

I don't give a royal flying freak if it was posted by a little green
Martian. Last I looked it was data posted to a usenet group by an
individual. You don't need any credentials or licenses to post to any given
group, last I looked. And, I consider Len to be just a little more
competent to post than you.

I am sure you do, Jim, but you summate my opinion on YOUR opinion
very well.

summate?

Everyone sees things as they will, Jim. I am sure you "vision" is
as clear as anyone else's from THEIR perspective at any given moment.

Visions and opinions are much like assholes -- everybody has one, and most
of them stink. Mine included.

Thanks for stopping by.

Don't mention it.

I normally consider yours to be one of the more rational voices of
reason in this forum, Jim, but then I guess your last two posts pretty
well show that even the most reasoned of men just like to get in there
an toss a bit of mud from time to time, eh...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

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On 27 Oct 2005 16:16:26 -0700, wrote:


K4YZ wrote:

And the support FOR
code testing in that five hours in the "Since Notice" column jumped
almost 3 points.

The ARRL e-newsletter came out.

that would explain a lot

interesting that Stevie wasn't bright enough to notice this point

would be even if you could confirm said e-letter had something about
the NPRM in it just for completeness sack

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Iitoi wrote:
K4YZ Wrote:

With THESE numbers, "Litoi", it's even better...

The name is Iitoi, not Litoi.

Hi! Steve prides hisself on correcting others misspellings.

I wonder if James will continue to challenge the tally now that it
appears to support his view of the topic, or if the challenge is based
on "you can't trust someone who has no license".

He sure won't do the required footwork himself to verify Len's tally.
And in the past he and the other MMMM have challenged him based upon
the latter.

The Man in the Maze
QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ


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Iitoi