Dee Flint wrote:
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Dee Flint wrote:

When the scout earns a merit badge,
it does not put him on the same level of
authority and responsibility as the scout
masters or leaders.

That is not the intent of the merit badge. But that is not what I'm
driving at. Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor.

That merit
badge does not make him the "equal" of the adults.

Indeed.

Has it ever?

Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor.

And you are missing my point that the Scouts is not an organization that has
the young participate on an equal footing. You are the one who keeps
mentioning the Merit Badge Counselor, not I.

Keeps mentioning? It is the crux of my comment. That you know nothing
beyond Scoutmasters and other leaders is not my fault.

It has no bearing on whether
or not the young scouts have equality with the adults.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

As long as you insist that the Merit Badge Counselor lords his or her
knowledge and age over the child, then you must be correct. Go in
peace.

On 30 Oct 2005 17:49:45 -0800, wrote:


Dee Flint wrote:
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wrote:
Dee Flint wrote:

When the scout earns a merit badge,
it does not put him on the same level of
authority and responsibility as the scout
masters or leaders.

That is not the intent of the merit badge. But that is not what I'm
driving at. Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor.

That merit
badge does not make him the "equal" of the adults.

Indeed.

Has it ever?

Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor.

And you are missing my point that the Scouts is not an organization that has
the young participate on an equal footing. You are the one who keeps
mentioning the Merit Badge Counselor, not I.

Keeps mentioning? It is the crux of my comment. That you know nothing
beyond Scoutmasters and other leaders is not my fault.

It has no bearing on whether
or not the young scouts have equality with the adults.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

As long as you insist that the Merit Badge Counselor lords his or her
knowledge and age over the child, then you must be correct. Go in
peace.

Dee has her mind made made up and like the rest is not willing to
entertain any discussion

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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:42:18 +0000, Iitoi
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Dee Flint Wrote:

I believe that his point was that on the non-voice modes, you cannot
tell
whether someone is male or female or whether they are young or old. So
that
there is less chance of them being discriminated against or harassed
by
those who think women or young people should not be on the radio.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Is there a large percentage (or even a measurable fraction) of hams
"who think women or young people should not be on the radio"?

I think you have to go back several decades to the legendary W2OY (with
aplologies to the current holder) to find a single visible example of
that attitude.

As a member of multiple minority groups (Native American, Hispanic
surname, non-Christian religion) I'm sensitive to discrimination and
harrassment issues. My long and enthusiastic association with amateur
radio is in large part due to my complete acceptance within the hobby
without any regard to my ethnic roots, skin color, or religion.
Neither have I seen anything but complete acceptance of young people
and those of the fairer gender in the hobby. If the general population
were as tolerant of diversity as I've found the ham hobbiests to be,
this would certainly be a nicer place to live.

Thus N2EY's suggestion (if that's really his point as you surmise) that
young people and females would do well to mask themselves behind
keys/keyboards to avoid unpleasantness is ludicrous on it's face, and
might be construed as a projection of an unrevealed agenda of his own.

his point has its place. I know from my ownexperences since my voice
sounds female and some get rather irate finding out I am male I
certainly prefer non voice mode myself FSATV esp

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That seems exactly counter to his "point". His point (as interpreted by N8UZE) is that females and children are subject to discrimination and should anonomize themselves by avoiding voice operation.

Your point seems to be that you are accepted on the air when you are presumed to be female, but discriminated against when it is discovered your gender is male.

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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:22:33 +0000, Iitoi
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Wrote:
his point has its place. I know from my ownexperences since my voice
sounds female and some get rather irate finding out I am male

That seems exactly counter to his "point". His point (as interpreted
by N8UZE) is that females and children are subject to discrimination
and should anonomize themselves by avoiding voice operation.

Your point seems to be that you are accepted on the air when you are
presumed to be female, but discriminated against when it is discovered
your gender is male.

not accepted but rather shall we say sought after a few of the guys
have proposed Marriage to me and other anoying stunts then get
reaaallllly ****ed to find I am male

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not accepted but rather shall we say sought after a few of the guys
have proposed Marriage to me and other anoying stunts then get
reaaallllly ****ed to find I am male

GAG!!!

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Dee Flint wrote:
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wrote:
Dee Flint wrote:

When the scout earns a merit badge,
it does not put him on the same level of
authority and responsibility as the scout
masters or leaders.

That is not the intent of the merit badge. But that is not what I'm
driving at. Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor.

That merit
badge does not make him the "equal" of the adults.

Indeed.

Has it ever?

Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor.

And you are missing my point that the Scouts is not an organization that
has
the young participate on an equal footing. You are the one who keeps
mentioning the Merit Badge Counselor, not I.

Keeps mentioning? It is the crux of my comment. That you know nothing
beyond Scoutmasters and other leaders is not my fault.

It has no bearing on whether
or not the young scouts have equality with the adults.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

As long as you insist that the Merit Badge Counselor lords his or her
knowledge and age over the child, then you must be correct. Go in
peace.


And if you choose to believe that the scouts and the adult leaders are
interacting as equals, then go right ahead even though that is not the way
they are set up.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Iitoi" wrote in message
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Wrote:
his point has its place. I know from my ownexperences since my voice
sounds female and some get rather irate finding out I am male

That seems exactly counter to his "point". His point (as interpreted
by N8UZE) is that females and children are subject to discrimination
and should anonomize themselves by avoiding voice operation.


Just to clarify, I have never personally experienced such discrimination on
the air and have no reason to avoid voice. I have known one youth who was
discriminated against though. She was working CW and doing it better than
the person with whom she was having a QSO. When that person learned her
age, they terminated the QSO.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Is this fool real?

The Man in the Maze
QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ

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wrote:


Wrote:


not accepted but rather shall we say sought after a few of the guys
have proposed Marriage to me



Is this fool real?

interesting that you ask after also start a thread titled

Mark bough a new wris****ch

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