wrote:
wrote:
From: K4YZ on Nov 11, 4:06 am

wrote:
From: on Nov 10, 4:41 pm

Interesting that after having had his nose rubbed in his own
numbers,

Len

changes style and format of his "scorecard" series of
posts and threads...Trying to hide the facts, as usual...The FACTS that
those comments Jim was refering to DON'T support

Len's

opinion as
being in the majority.

Len's own "scorecard" shows his opinion (complete elimination
of all Morse Code testing for any class of FCC-issued amateur radio
license)
to be in the minority

yes it did

but majoity support for nocode general, and the coment show no reason
for coded extra and a nocode general

indeed the coment don't address why we need to have an extra class at
all but that was outside what the FCC was discussing
cut

It appears that Len wished to avoide comment and discussion,
and wanted a thread containing only his scorecard.

yes he did want that . It is his right to want it
cut

Irrelevant.

That ratio began to change from the date of notice
in the Federal Register that the NPRM Comment period had
begun on 31 August 2005. The tallies can be verified by
anyone reading all 3,760 filings in WT Docket 05-235 as of
the close of ECFS updates on 10 November 2005.

Someone else did read them, and came up with a different
result than Len.

no doubt, and no supruse I am sure to anyone but you and no doubt if I
read em did my own count i would come up yet another figure

It should be noted that the official Comment period on NPRM
05-143 ENDED on 31 October. The Reply to Comments period is
still officially OPEN until Monday, 14 November 2005, as
stated in the Federal Register of 31 August 2005. Among the
9 official Replies to Comments (the other 48 are unofficial
Comments), all of them are FOR the NPRM. Those who bother
to look at the many tally postings I made will see the trend
of opinion changing weekly.

The final result is what matters.

to you

the FCC can glean data from the ebb and flow of the results

the FCC could choose to glean data through the use of Tarrot cards if
it chosee

you do not decide what matters. in the end the FCC does, tile then we
may speculate and deabte as we choose
the R&O when it is realesed is what matters

From: K4YZ on Nov 11, 4:06 am

wrote:
From: on Nov 10, 4:41 pm

Interesting that after having had his nose rubbed in his own
numbers, Lennie changes style and format of his "scorecard" series of
posts and threads...Trying to hide the facts, as usual...The FACTS that
those comments Jim was refering to DON'T support Lennie's opinion as
being in the majority.

Dudly the Imposter has no "facts" to accuse anyone of anything.

I started the "score card" postings on 2 August 2005 after
accumulating enough opinion data on WT Docket 05-235 filings
to see four categories. The first non-FCC filings began
on 20 July 2005.

The official Comment beginning did not occur until the Federal
Register notice of NPRM 05-143 on 31 August 2005. At that
date I elected to show a double tally of opinions, the original
one and one that began on 31 August. The first posting of
that new tally format began 1 September 2005.

Due to a great number of posts under the above 2nd subject
thread that went beyond the scope of the "score card," I
changed the "score card" posts to another thread beginning
17 October 2005. The same format of the 2nd thread ("double
tally") was kept in this third thread.

The tally postings were almost daily except for one 2 1/2
week period in September-October when my wife and I were on
a trip and I was away from easy Internet access and tallies.
All of the categorizations were done as honestly and fairly
as possible, reading each of the Comments and Replies to
Comments. Opinions of greater than 90% of all filings were
rather obviously in three categories of For the NPRM, Against
the NPRM, or Code-Test-for-Extra-but-OK-to-drop-code-test-for-
other-classes.

All of my "score card" postings are still in Google and may
be accessed by anyone with Google access. NOTHING was
"hidden." By viewing the continuously-posted tally postings,
it is quite evident that a better than 2:1 ratio in favor of
the NPRM was held at the starting weeks of the Comment
period. That ratio began to change from the date of notice
in the Federal Register that the NPRM Comment period had
begun on 31 August 2005. The tallies can be verified by
anyone reading all 3,760 filings in WT Docket 05-235 as of
the close of ECFS updates on 10 November 2005.

It should be noted that the official Comment period on NPRM
05-143 ENDED on 31 October. The Reply to Comments period is
still officially OPEN until Monday, 14 November 2005, as
stated in the Federal Register of 31 August 2005. Among the
9 official Replies to Comments (the other 48 are unofficial
Comments), all of them are FOR the NPRM. Those who bother
to look at the many tally postings I made will see the trend
of opinion changing weekly. Nothing was hidden.

Posting of the "score card" was terminated after the official
end of the Comment period on 31 October 2005. The number of
other posts of continual argument and bickering were so great
that it was no longer worthwhile to continue the tally posting
in public.

There are no "rules" on posting tallies of public opinion
except those of the person(s) doing the tally. That another
has posted an alleged "analysis" of WT Docket 05-235 filing
contents is not any valid argument against what I have done.



None-the-less, it will be interesting to see, after whatever
action the FCC takes in regards to dropping the Code Test, if Lennie
will then get the "Extra Lite" (or any other HF-authorized license) or
continue to spam the NG with his anti-Amateur Radio bile...

Irrelevant and incorrect. What I do in the future is of no
concern to any action of the FCC to make a final Report and
Order as a result of the end of the Comments and Replies to
Comments. The Commission will make a decision at some
future time but that time will not be soon. The number of
filings in WT Docket 05-235 exceed those made on WT Docket
98-143 ("Restructuring") by about 1,500; WT Docket 98-143
had only about 2,200 filings in the official Comment and
Replies to Comments period of about 11 months time.

As to the past, Dudly the Imposter has NOT yet provided any
proof whatsoever that he was ever IN any of the alleged
"seven hostile actions" he claimed he was in. He has NOT
yet been able to name a single item of radio communications
equipment used by him for military radio communications.
Dudly has NOT proven that he knows anything about electronics
engineering or radio design other than claiming less than a
half year's employment as a purchasing agent at a smallish
electronics company. Dudly the Imposter has been challenged
with providing proof of his alleged USMC Gunnery Sergeant
rating by another, a USMC veteran who HAS provided enough
visible evidence that what this other USMC veteran has
written. Dudly has NOT yet explained how he got a
"changed-to-honorable-from-medical" discharge from the
military AND received a pension that is available only after
20 years' military service. Us readers have NOTHING from
Dudly other than a number of written postings full of
personal insults such as -

Putz.

Dudly the Imposter is a fraud, a travesty of a wannabe
military hero who cannot prove a thing he has claimed.
Given that we passed Veterans' Day, Dudly the Imposter
has cast great dishonor on himself, the United States
Marine Corps, and all United States Amateur Radio Extra
class grantees.



ex-RA 16 408 336, ex-ER 16 408 336, Honorable Discharge 1960

general question on the topic. are the reply coments at 1201 am 15Nove
or or 1201 16 Nov

From: an old friend on Nov 14, 11:37 am

general question on the topic. are the reply coments at 1201 am 15Nove
or or 1201 16 Nov

The official dates for Comments on WT Docket 05-235 were
31 August 2005 to 31 October 2005.

The official dates for Replies to Comments on WT Docket
05-235 were 31 August 2005 to 14 November 2005.

All time periods refer to Eastern Time Zone. Apparently, and I
don't know for certain, the FCC will accept the time of day of
the time zone of the sender. ECFS lists only the DATE filed,
not the time it was filed. They do enter in copies of
letters-on-paper which were sent from within the official
dates but arrived at the Commission later, evident from the
FCC time-stamp on documents compared to the ECFS filing date.

Regardless, the official time period on WT Docket 05-235 is
now OVER. As of 3 PM EST on 15 November 2005 there were a
total of 3,783 filings made on WT Docket 05-235 between
15 July 2005 and 14 November 2005.

The ECFS will still accept electronic comments entered long
after the end of an official date period. WT Docket 98-143
on the NPRM proposing Restructuring was still getting input
from about 400 people up to nearly FOUR YEARS AFTER the end
of all Comments, and up to nearly THREE YEARS after Report &
Order 99-412 was released (end of December 1999) making the
Restructuring legal.

wrote:
wrote:
From: K4YZ on Nov 11, 4:06 am

wrote:
From: on Nov 10, 4:41 pm

Interesting that after having had his nose rubbed in his own
numbers,

Len

Jim

changes style and format of his "scorecard" series of
posts and threads...Trying to hide the facts, as usual...The FACTS that
those comments Jim was refering to DON'T support

Len's

Jim's

opinion as
being in the majority.

Len's own "scorecard" shows his opinion (complete elimination
of all Morse Code testing for any class of FCC-issued amateur radio
license)
to be in the minority

Jim's got no scorecard. Only an unpopular opinion.

Unknown person

Unknown people such as Quitefine and Darkguard

has no "facts" to accuse anyone of anything.

I started the "score card" postings on 2 August 2005 after
accumulating enough opinion data on WT Docket 05-235 filings
to see four categories. The first non-FCC filings began
on 20 July 2005.

The official Comment beginning did not occur until the Federal
Register notice of NPRM 05-143 on 31 August 2005. At that
date I elected to show a double tally of opinions, the original
one and one that began on 31 August. The first posting of
that new tally format began 1 September 2005.

Due to a great number of posts under the above 2nd subject
thread that went beyond the scope of the "score card," I
changed the "score card" posts to another thread beginning
17 October 2005. The same format of the 2nd thread ("double
tally") was kept in this third thread.

It appears that Len wished to avoide comment and discussion,
and wanted a thread containing only his scorecard.

"avoid"

He should move it to Coslo's BBS. Is it up and running yet?

The tally postings were almost daily except for one 2 1/2
week period in September-October when my wife and I were on
a trip and I was away from easy Internet access and tallies.

One word: Wireless

One word: Kissoff

All of the categorizations were done as honestly and fairly
as possible,

Purely subjective opinion.

??? Definition of Opinion ???

reading each of the Comments and Replies to
Comments.

If that were true, Len would have been aware of the fact that there
was indeed at least one other 'scorecard'

Do tell.

Opinions of greater than 90% of all filings were
rather obviously in three categories of For the NPRM, Against
the NPRM, or Code-Test-for-Extra-but-OK-to-drop-code-test-for-
other-classes.

Which leaves 10% uncertain. Yet Len posted results to four decimal
places, as if his tally was that accurate.

Two kinds of people, OK and Idiots. See: "Valentine Germann."

All of my "score card" postings are still in Google and may
be accessed by anyone with Google access.

So is the commentary on their deficiencies.

And the comments of the disgruntled Pro-Code Test persons

NOTHING was "hidden."

Incorrect.

Incorrect.

Len counted multiple filings by the same person as different opinions
if they were not identical.

Not identical? Perhaps they really were different opinions.

Only identical filings by the same person
were counted as duplicates. Thus, in his own tally, Len's comments
and five reply comments (last time I looked) counted as if they
were written by six different people.

"A Morse Code exam would be a barrier to Morse Code use!"

Is that a different opinion from a person who believes that ""A Morse
Code exam is vital to the health of the ARS?"

The very same person holds such beliefs. How would you cont those
vastly different opinions?

Hi!

Len's postings are also unclear about what was counted. In parts of the
posting he uses the word "comments" and in others the word "filings",
hiding the fact that he was counting comments and reply comments.

Do you have a magnet? Were the filings ferrous or nonferrous?

By viewing the continuously-posted tally postings,
it is quite evident that a better than 2:1 ratio in favor of
the NPRM was held at the starting weeks of the Comment
period.

Irrelevant.

Relevant. Then the ARRL Publishing House went to work.

That ratio began to change from the date of notice
in the Federal Register that the NPRM Comment period had
begun on 31 August 2005. The tallies can be verified by
anyone reading all 3,760 filings in WT Docket 05-235 as of
the close of ECFS updates on 10 November 2005.

Someone else did read them, and came up with a different
result than Len.

"A Morse Code exam would be a barrier to Morse Code use!"

"A Morse Code exam is vital to the health of the ARS."

It should be noted that the official Comment period on NPRM
05-143 ENDED on 31 October. The Reply to Comments period is
still officially OPEN until Monday, 14 November 2005, as
stated in the Federal Register of 31 August 2005. Among the
9 official Replies to Comments (the other 48 are unofficial
Comments), all of them are FOR the NPRM. Those who bother
to look at the many tally postings I made will see the trend
of opinion changing weekly.

The final result is what matters.

Neither "tally" matters. FCC decree is what matters.

Nothing was hidden.

Incorrect, as shown above.

"A Morse Code exam would be a barrier to Morse Code use!"

"A Morse Code exam is vital to the health of the ARS."

Posting of the "score card" was terminated after the official
end of the Comment period on 31 October 2005. The number of
other posts of continual argument and bickering were so great
that it was no longer worthwhile to continue the tally posting
in public.

In other words, Len did not want his results criticized or examined
closely. He wanted them accepted as fact, without question.

"A Morse Code exam would be a barrier to Morse Code use!"

"A Morse Code exam is vital to the health of the ARS."

There are no "rules" on posting tallies of public opinion
except those of the person(s) doing the tally.

Yet when questions were posed about Len's "rules", he became
the source of "continual argument and bickering" rather than
answering the questions honestly.

"A Morse Code exam would be a barrier to Morse Code use!"

"A Morse Code exam is vital to the health of the ARS."

Jim, how would you tally the above two opinions from the same person???

That another
has posted an alleged "analysis" of WT Docket 05-235 filing
contents is not any valid argument against what I have done.

Why not? Is Leonard H. Anderson incapable of error?

"A Morse Code exam would be a barrier to Morse Code use!"

"A Morse Code exam is vital to the health of the ARS."

Is the person posting such opinions capable of error???

None-the-less, it will be interesting to see, after whatever
action the FCC takes in regards to dropping the Code Test,

Regardless of comments, that will almost certainly be to drop
all Morse Code testing.

Thank goodness. A Morse Code exam would certainly be a barrier to
Morse Code use.

if

Len

Jim

will then get the "Extra Lite" (or any other HF-authorized license) or
continue to spam the NG with his anti-Amateur Radio bile...

Isn't that answer clear?

CAB, CAFB, CAVOK,

Irrelevant and incorrect.

Neither.

Either, or?

What I do in the future is of no
concern to any action of the FCC to make a final Report and
Order as a result of the end of the Comments and Replies to
Comments. The Commission will make a decision at some
future time but that time will not be soon. The number of
filings in WT Docket 05-235 exceed those made on WT Docket
98-143 ("Restructuring") by about 1,500; WT Docket 98-143
had only about 2,200 filings in the official Comment and
Replies to Comments period of about 11 months time.

Len has repeatedly given opinions about others' motivations, yet
will not reveal his own. Except for one outburst in January 2000,
he has not expressed the desire or intention to get an amateur radio
license.

Jim never reveals his motivations.

As to the past,

unknown person

Quitefine, Darkguard.

has NOT yet provided any
proof whatsoever that he was ever IN any of the alleged
"seven hostile actions" he claimed he was in.

Veterans of military and government service who disagree with Len have
been
subject to Len's insults and denigration of their service,
regardless of what or when it was. Len's classic "sphinters post"
proves that.

Jim served in unkown ways.

From: on Tues 15 Nov 2005 18:49


wrote:
wrote:
From: K4YZ on Nov 11, 4:06 am
wrote:
From: on Nov 10, 4:41 pm


Jim's

opinion as
being in the majority.

Len's own "scorecard" shows his opinion (complete elimination
of all Morse Code testing for any class of FCC-issued amateur radio
license)
to be in the minority

Jim's got no scorecard. Only an unpopular opinion.

Poor Jimmie...can't reconcile the "plain, simple fact" that
Speroni SCREWED UP on his "interpretation" of filings on
WT Docket 05-235. Speroni stacked the deck using his "rules"
and was then applauded as a "widely known amateur
statistician!" (kudo from Robert Rightsell in Reply to
Comments of 14 Nov 05).


Unknown people such as Quitefine and Darkguard

Gotta love this "Quitefine" talking to hisself. :-)


It appears that Len wished to avoide comment and discussion,
and wanted a thread containing only his scorecard.

"avoid"

He should move it to Coslo's BBS. Is it up and running yet?

I can't reach it...it's "at the threashold of space!" :-)


The tally postings were almost daily except for one 2 1/2
week period in September-October when my wife and I were on
a trip and I was away from easy Internet access and tallies.

One word: Wireless

One word: Kissoff

Tsk. Now Jimmie Noserve will make much ado about nothing
in "interpreting" that as "trying to shut him up!" :-)

Jimmie fancies himself a STASI "protecting the state."


All of the categorizations were done as honestly and fairly
as possible,

Purely subjective opinion.

??? Definition of Opinion ???

Definition (already known for years): Only pro-code is "correct"
and all no-code are "wrong."

reading each of the Comments and Replies to
Comments.

If that were true, Len would have been aware of the fact that there
was indeed at least one other 'scorecard'

Do tell.

Jimmie's mind be all forked up. Speroni is an unabashed
pro-coder and will do anything to promote morse code.

Like *I* should hang out with those types? :-)

Opinions of greater than 90% of all filings were
rather obviously in three categories of For the NPRM, Against
the NPRM, or Code-Test-for-Extra-but-OK-to-drop-code-test-for-
other-classes.

Which leaves 10% uncertain. Yet Len posted results to four decimal
places, as if his tally was that accurate.

Two kinds of people, OK and Idiots. See: "Valentine Germann."

Tsk, tsk. Ol' Val...still a no-coder tech after all those
words of praise on the PCTA and all the scorn levelled at
NCTA. Dick Carroll liked him a whole lot. So did Jimmie.
[Jimmie gonna go SK too?]


All of my "score card" postings are still in Google and may
be accessed by anyone with Google access.

So is the commentary on their deficiencies.

And the comments of the disgruntled Pro-Code Test persons

Poor babies...tsk, tsk.

NOTHING was "hidden."

Incorrect.

Incorrect.

Jimmie still fulla snit. He need laxative.

Len counted multiple filings by the same person as different opinions
if they were not identical.

Not identical? Perhaps they really were different opinions.

Jimmie DOES NOT KNOW. He never looked at them all.

Only identical filings by the same person
were counted as duplicates. Thus, in his own tally, Len's comments
and five reply comments (last time I looked) counted as if they
were written by six different people.

Jimmie, using only one decimal place, is WAYYY wrong! :-)


"A Morse Code exam would be a barrier to Morse Code use!"

Is that a different opinion from a person who believes that ""A Morse
Code exam is vital to the health of the ARS?"

The very same person holds such beliefs. How would you cont those
vastly different opinions?

Hi!

Jimmie have Multiple Personality Disorder?!? Must be...


Len's postings are also unclear about what was counted. In parts of the
posting he uses the word "comments" and in others the word "filings",
hiding the fact that he was counting comments and reply comments.

Do you have a magnet? Were the filings ferrous or nonferrous?

Tsk, tsk, if Jimmie found a misplaced comma - or just didn't
like the sentence structure - he would castigate any writings
of that person.

That's it! Jimmie is Castigated! :-)

"Move your vowels every day or you get consonated..."


By viewing the continuously-posted tally postings,
it is quite evident that a better than 2:1 ratio in favor of
the NPRM was held at the starting weeks of the Comment
period.

Irrelevant.

Relevant. Then the ARRL Publishing House went to work.

Joe Speroni has said nothing, nada, zip, about "correcting" his
"statistics" to account for the "plain, simple fact" that the
FCC did not get a legal notice into the Federal Register until
about 5 weeks AFTER it released NPRM 05-143 to the public. It
was in THAT time that the 2:1 ratio IN FAVOR of the NPRM was
established.

All them Extras just didn't get their dander up until about
two months after public release...realizing that they would
lose their precious STATUS IN THE AMATEUR COMMUNITY if the
code test went in the dumpster.


Someone else did read them, and came up with a different
result than Len.

It sure as hell wasn't Jimmie!

"A Morse Code exam would be a barrier to Morse Code use!"

"A Morse Code exam is vital to the health of the ARS."

Yup...Multiple Personality Disorder on Jimmie's part...


The final result is what matters.

Neither "tally" matters. FCC decree is what matters.

FCC rules...NOT the league. tsk, tsk.


Nothing was hidden.

Incorrect, as shown above.

"A Morse Code exam would be a barrier to Morse Code use!"

"A Morse Code exam is vital to the health of the ARS."

Jimmie still HIGH on the MPD thing...

However, the "ARS" also describes the Archaic Radiotelegraphy
Society, a group of self-promoting self-defining elitists who
make morse because they can't socialize...


In other words, Len did not want his results criticized or examined
closely. He wanted them accepted as fact, without question.

In other words, Jimmie doesn't want Joe Speroni criticized
or examined closely but accepted as fact without question.

yawn Jimmie do boring repetition of PCTA mantra.

"A Morse Code exam would be a barrier to Morse Code use!"

"A Morse Code exam is vital to the health of the ARS."

MPD strikes again! But, dollars to doughnuts, Jimmie gonna
vociferously DENY he said the first sentence. He's so
predictable! :-)

There are no "rules" on posting tallies of public opinion
except those of the person(s) doing the tally.

Yet when questions were posed about Len's "rules", he became
the source of "continual argument and bickering" rather than
answering the questions honestly.

Tsk, tsk. Anyone looking at the Google left-screen listing
on a direct rrap access will see that Jimmie didn't do
jack-snit on commentary in the first weeks of 05-235 being
open. Poor fella musta bin all wrought by the 2:1 ratio
FOR the NPRM...

"A Morse Code exam would be a barrier to Morse Code use!"

"A Morse Code exam is vital to the health of the ARS."

Jim, how would you tally the above two opinions from the same person???

I see Jimmie DENYING the first, and parading the second as
if it were the 11th Commandment.

"Our headaches are over...here comes Moses with the tablets!"

That another
has posted an alleged "analysis" of WT Docket 05-235 filing
contents is not any valid argument against what I have done.

Why not? Is Leonard H. Anderson incapable of error?

"A Morse Code exam would be a barrier to Morse Code use!"

"A Morse Code exam is vital to the health of the ARS."

Is the person posting such opinions capable of error???

Brian, PCTAs *NEVER* make errors. Never, ever.

In PCTA eyes *ALL*PCTA* make errors. Always.

PCTA need radial keratotomy to correct their vision.


Regardless of comments, that will almost certainly be to drop
all Morse Code testing.

Thank goodness. A Morse Code exam would certainly be a barrier to
Morse Code use.

:-)



Jim

will then get the "Extra Lite" (or any other HF-authorized license) or
continue to spam the NG with his anti-Amateur Radio bile...

Isn't that answer clear?

CAB, CAFB, CAVOK,

CAVU no longer used? :-)


Len has repeatedly given opinions about others' motivations, yet
will not reveal his own. Except for one outburst in January 2000,
he has not expressed the desire or intention to get an amateur radio
license.

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. I have. It's in Google.

Jim never reveals his motivations.

But...but...but...Jimmie be Mighty Macho MOTIVATED Morseman!



Veterans of military and government service who disagree with Len have been
subject to Len's insults and denigration of their service,
regardless of what or when it was. Len's classic "sphinters post"
proves that.

Jim served in unkown ways.

Yeah, he was real busy cleaning up the chicken**** left by all
those "my bod is so precious it shall not be harmed in the
military service of the country" NO-SERVERS.

I'll have to tell the guys over in Westwood, the ones at the
Veterans Cemetary, about how Jimmie Noserve and Dudly the
Imposter all say "I DENIGRATED others." Next Memorial Day
for sure, when we get together again to plant a few flags
and have a Rememberance Ceremony...for the Veterans beneath.

Tsk, tsk. Jimmie is getting downright surly and obnoxious
about military service. Maybe folks don't salute him enough,
being a super-high-level morse god and all? Okay, I salute
him...with one finger up-raised.

HOOO-RAAWWWW!!!!