Getting down to the wire on WT Docket 05-235!

As of 5 PM EST on 10 November, there have been a total of
3,760 filings since 15 July 2005.

Of those, 3,703 were filed up to and including 31 August
2005, the official end of Comments. However, since the
Federal Register notice of NPRM 05-143 wasn't made until
31 August, the official Comment period is from 31 August
to 31 October. There were 1,721 filings made within the
official Comment period.

The official Replies to Comments period is from 31 August to
14 November. In the period 1 November to 10 November, there
have been 57 filings, only 9 of which are official (clearly
indicated as Replies to Comments). All 9 Replies are FOR the
NPRM. The official end of Replies to Comments is on Monday,
14 November 2005.

So far, there is no clear-cut consensus of any group for or
against code-testing, nor for the in-betweeners wanting code
testing for extras but allowing "lower" classes to be code
test free. The percentage of filings just "of the amateur
community" is only 0.82 to 0.29 percent of the total number
of licensees, depending on who sets the judging criteria.*

Before the official start of Comments (31 Aug 05), filings
FOR the NPRM were running about 2:1 in favor versus those
against dropping all code testing. At the end of the
official Comment period the ratio of dropping ALL code
testing versus keeping some code testing was about 1:1.
Of all 57 filings made after 31 August, all 9 official
Replies to Comments were FOR the NPRM and ending all code
testing; 4 were against the ARRL Comment of 31 Oct 05.

There are only four days left to make REPLIES to Comments
on WT Docket 05-235. Ordinary Comments will be unofficial
since the Comment period has expired.

* As of 10 Nov 05, www.handata.com shows 723,888 total
individual licensees in U.S. amateur radio (less 9,757 club
calls). Compared to about 3,471 total filings that are not
duplicates of the same individual saying the same thing, the
percentage of 3471 / 723888 = 0.82 percent. If only 5/6 of
all 723,888 licensees are "valid" (within their 10-year term
and not in the 2-year grace period), then total number of
"valid, operable" individual licensees would be 603,240.**
Given that there were only 1,730 filings made WITHIN the
OFFICIAL period then the percentage of filings to total
"amateur community" is 1730 / 603240 = 0.29 percent. One
can go nuts in establishing "correct criteria" without
determining anything of specific value. A slice of only
about a single percent as to the opinion of "the amateur
community" isn't a good statistical sampling of the
opinion of ALL.***

** The 5/6 value assumes that 1/6 of all licensees are IN
their grace period. It would be erroneous to accept that
since most living/able licensees renew BEFORE their 10-year
license terms are up. The total number of licensees with
valid (able to operate legally) licenses would be larger.
Compounding that is the fact of last year's license
numbers (at hamdata) showing 17,003 expirations versus
16,933 new licenses granted in the preceding year. The
amateur radio total license numbers have remained very
static for the last 2 years and several months.

*** FCC does not consider just those filings from licensed
radio amateurs to reach a decision on an NPRM. If it did
accept just those in the "clubhouse," then those individuals
not licensed would not be mentioned in Reports and Orders.
They are. All those who submitted filings on WT Docket
05-235 did so voluntarily and there are NO sampling rules
available to set any accuracy of results of a small
sampling of any opinion.

Some plain and simple facts:

1) As of November 9, 2005, the number of individuals holding current,
unexpired FCC amateur radio licenses is 663,382.

2) Of those individuals who are interested enough in the issues to
comment, a clear majority want the Morse Code test for General to be
removed.

3) Of those individuals who are interested enough in the issues to
comment, a clear majority want the Morse Code test for Extra to be
retained.

4) FCC is not required to follow the majority of comments or other
opinions, regardless of how large the majority is. FCC is only required
to consider the commentary, not act on it.

73 de Jim, N2EY

From: on Nov 10, 4:41 pm

Some plain and simple facts:

Jimmie style

1) As of November 9, 2005, the number of individuals holding current,
unexpired FCC amateur radio licenses is 663,382.

Jimmie tell where he get information?

Jimmie he say, "FCC database!" :-)

Jimmie know that this date is 10 November, not yesterday?

Jimmie understand Comment period officially OVER?

Jimmie understant Replies to Comments period still
officially in process until last day, 14 November?


2) Of those individuals who are interested enough in the issues to
comment, a clear majority want the Morse Code test for General to be
removed.

NPRM just about General class? No, NPRM about ALL classes.

Jimmie have funny idea of what "CLEAR majority" mean.

Jimmie use highly subjective morseman descriptors.

Jimmie not understand "plain and simple fact?"


3) Of those individuals who are interested enough in the issues to
comment, a clear majority want the Morse Code test for Extra to be
retained.

NPRM just about Extra class? No, NPRM about ALL classes.

Jimmie have funny idea of what "CLEAR majority" mean.

Jimmie use highly subjective morseman descriptors.

Jimmie not understand "plain and simple fact?"


4) FCC is not required to follow the majority of comments or other
opinions, regardless of how large the majority is. FCC is only required
to consider the commentary, not act on it.

Why Jimmie get big "classic johnson" turn-on with (1) through (3)
if (4) is operative?

Jimmie be "clear majority" of one. Always "right."

FCC do things THEIR way. Plain simple fact that.

wrote:
From: on Nov 10, 4:41 pm

Some plain and simple facts:

Jimmie style

1) As of November 9, 2005, the number of individuals holding current,
unexpired FCC amateur radio licenses is 663,382.

Jimmie

Jimmie

Jimmie

Jimmie

Jimmie

Again Lennie demonstrates that rules apply to everyone else except
him...Except, of course, when the rules are one's HE wants...Then
EVERYONE has to comply...

2) Of those individuals who are interested enough in the issues to
comment, a clear majority want the Morse Code test for General to be
removed.

NPRM just about General class? No, NPRM about ALL classes.

Jimmie

Jimmie

Jimmie

Why can Lennie not address people the way they address him, even
when the way they address him is the way he says he wants it...?!?!

Maybe that's why Lennie can't get the respect and credibility he
THINKS he deserves?

3) Of those individuals who are interested enough in the issues to
comment, a clear majority want the Morse Code test for Extra to be
retained.

NPRM just about Extra class? No, NPRM about ALL classes.

Jimmie

Jimmie

Jimmie

And again.

Not one rational or responsible word addressing Jim's comments.
Just grade school jibberish.

4) FCC is not required to follow the majority of comments or other
opinions, regardless of how large the majority is. FCC is only required
to consider the commentary, not act on it.

Why Jimmie

Jimmie

FCC do things THEIR way. Plain simple fact that.

Interesting that after having had his nose rubbed in his own
numbers, Lennie changes style and format of his "scorecard" series of
posts and threads...Trying to hide the facts, as usual...The FACTS that
those comments Jim was refering to DON'T support Lennie's opinion as
being in the majority.

None-the-less, it will be interesting to see, after whatever
action the FCC takes in regards to dropping the Code Test, if Lennie
will then get the "Extra Lite" (or any other HF-authorized license) or
continue to spam the NG with his anti-Amateur Radio bile...

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
From: on Nov 10, 4:41 pm

cut
Jimmie

Why can Lennie not address people the way they address him, even
when the way they address him is the way he says he wants it...?!?!

Len or lennie if you like would look pretty silly adressing Jim as le
or lennie

Maybe that's why Lennie can't get the respect and credibility he
THINKS he deserves?

maybe but I doub't it

more likely it results from whatever rot seems to get into some folks
brains on the subject of Morse Code

cut stevie taking up noncomenting

Not one rational or responsible word addressing Jim's comments.
Just grade school jibberish.

gee maybe I should go back and show your lack of rational responses
cut..

Putz.

do you talk that way at work?

Steve, K4YZ

an old friend wrote:

K4YZ wrote:

Putz.

do you talk that way at work?

does he talk that way on ham radio?

From: K4YZ on Nov 11, 4:06 am

wrote:
From: on Nov 10, 4:41 pm

Interesting that after having had his nose rubbed in his own
numbers, Lennie changes style and format of his "scorecard" series of
posts and threads...Trying to hide the facts, as usual...The FACTS that
those comments Jim was refering to DON'T support Lennie's opinion as
being in the majority.

Dudly the Imposter has no "facts" to accuse anyone of anything.

I started the "score card" postings on 2 August 2005 after
accumulating enough opinion data on WT Docket 05-235 filings
to see four categories. The first non-FCC filings began
on 20 July 2005.

The official Comment beginning did not occur until the Federal
Register notice of NPRM 05-143 on 31 August 2005. At that
date I elected to show a double tally of opinions, the original
one and one that began on 31 August. The first posting of
that new tally format began 1 September 2005.

Due to a great number of posts under the above 2nd subject
thread that went beyond the scope of the "score card," I
changed the "score card" posts to another thread beginning
17 October 2005. The same format of the 2nd thread ("double
tally") was kept in this third thread.

The tally postings were almost daily except for one 2 1/2
week period in September-October when my wife and I were on
a trip and I was away from easy Internet access and tallies.
All of the categorizations were done as honestly and fairly
as possible, reading each of the Comments and Replies to
Comments. Opinions of greater than 90% of all filings were
rather obviously in three categories of For the NPRM, Against
the NPRM, or Code-Test-for-Extra-but-OK-to-drop-code-test-for-
other-classes.

All of my "score card" postings are still in Google and may
be accessed by anyone with Google access. NOTHING was
"hidden." By viewing the continuously-posted tally postings,
it is quite evident that a better than 2:1 ratio in favor of
the NPRM was held at the starting weeks of the Comment
period. That ratio began to change from the date of notice
in the Federal Register that the NPRM Comment period had
begun on 31 August 2005. The tallies can be verified by
anyone reading all 3,760 filings in WT Docket 05-235 as of
the close of ECFS updates on 10 November 2005.

It should be noted that the official Comment period on NPRM
05-143 ENDED on 31 October. The Reply to Comments period is
still officially OPEN until Monday, 14 November 2005, as
stated in the Federal Register of 31 August 2005. Among the
9 official Replies to Comments (the other 48 are unofficial
Comments), all of them are FOR the NPRM. Those who bother
to look at the many tally postings I made will see the trend
of opinion changing weekly. Nothing was hidden.

Posting of the "score card" was terminated after the official
end of the Comment period on 31 October 2005. The number of
other posts of continual argument and bickering were so great
that it was no longer worthwhile to continue the tally posting
in public.

There are no "rules" on posting tallies of public opinion
except those of the person(s) doing the tally. That another
has posted an alleged "analysis" of WT Docket 05-235 filing
contents is not any valid argument against what I have done.



None-the-less, it will be interesting to see, after whatever
action the FCC takes in regards to dropping the Code Test, if Lennie
will then get the "Extra Lite" (or any other HF-authorized license) or
continue to spam the NG with his anti-Amateur Radio bile...

Irrelevant and incorrect. What I do in the future is of no
concern to any action of the FCC to make a final Report and
Order as a result of the end of the Comments and Replies to
Comments. The Commission will make a decision at some
future time but that time will not be soon. The number of
filings in WT Docket 05-235 exceed those made on WT Docket
98-143 ("Restructuring") by about 1,500; WT Docket 98-143
had only about 2,200 filings in the official Comment and
Replies to Comments period of about 11 months time.

As to the past, Dudly the Imposter has NOT yet provided any
proof whatsoever that he was ever IN any of the alleged
"seven hostile actions" he claimed he was in. He has NOT
yet been able to name a single item of radio communications
equipment used by him for military radio communications.
Dudly has NOT proven that he knows anything about electronics
engineering or radio design other than claiming less than a
half year's employment as a purchasing agent at a smallish
electronics company. Dudly the Imposter has been challenged
with providing proof of his alleged USMC Gunnery Sergeant
rating by another, a USMC veteran who HAS provided enough
visible evidence that what this other USMC veteran has
written. Dudly has NOT yet explained how he got a
"changed-to-honorable-from-medical" discharge from the
military AND received a pension that is available only after
20 years' military service. Us readers have NOTHING from
Dudly other than a number of written postings full of
personal insults such as -

Putz.

Dudly the Imposter is a fraud, a travesty of a wannabe
military hero who cannot prove a thing he has claimed.
Given that this date is Veterans' Day, Dudly the Imposter
casts great dishonor on himself, the United States
Marine Corps, and all United States Amateur Radio Extra
class grantees.



ex-RA 16 408 336, ex-ER 16 408 336, Honorable Discharge 1960

wrote:

ex-RA 16 408 336, ex-ER 16 408 336, Honorable Discharge 1960

And lying about what he did ever since.........

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:

ex-RA 16 408 336, ex-ER 16 408 336, Honorable Discharge 1960

And lying about what he did ever since.........

you are nuts

Steve, K4YZ

wrote:
From: K4YZ on Nov 11, 4:06 am

wrote:
From: on Nov 10, 4:41 pm

Interesting that after having had his nose rubbed in his own
numbers,

Len

changes style and format of his "scorecard" series of
posts and threads...Trying to hide the facts, as usual...The FACTS that
those comments Jim was refering to DON'T support

Len's

opinion as
being in the majority.

Len's own "scorecard" shows his opinion (complete elimination
of all Morse Code testing for any class of FCC-issued amateur radio
license)
to be in the minority

Unknown person

has no "facts" to accuse anyone of anything.

I started the "score card" postings on 2 August 2005 after
accumulating enough opinion data on WT Docket 05-235 filings
to see four categories. The first non-FCC filings began
on 20 July 2005.

The official Comment beginning did not occur until the Federal
Register notice of NPRM 05-143 on 31 August 2005. At that
date I elected to show a double tally of opinions, the original
one and one that began on 31 August. The first posting of
that new tally format began 1 September 2005.

Due to a great number of posts under the above 2nd subject
thread that went beyond the scope of the "score card," I
changed the "score card" posts to another thread beginning
17 October 2005. The same format of the 2nd thread ("double
tally") was kept in this third thread.

It appears that Len wished to avoide comment and discussion,
and wanted a thread containing only his scorecard.

The tally postings were almost daily except for one 2 1/2
week period in September-October when my wife and I were on
a trip and I was away from easy Internet access and tallies.

One word: Wireless

All of the categorizations were done as honestly and fairly
as possible,

Purely subjective opinion.

reading each of the Comments and Replies to
Comments.

If that were true, Len would have been aware of the fact that there
was indeed at least one other 'scorecard'

Opinions of greater than 90% of all filings were
rather obviously in three categories of For the NPRM, Against
the NPRM, or Code-Test-for-Extra-but-OK-to-drop-code-test-for-
other-classes.

Which leaves 10% uncertain. Yet Len posted results to four decimal
places, as if his tally was that accurate.

All of my "score card" postings are still in Google and may
be accessed by anyone with Google access.

So is the commentary on their deficiencies.

NOTHING was "hidden."

Incorrect.

Len counted multiple filings by the same person as different opinions
if they were not identical. Only identical filings by the same person
were counted as duplicates. Thus, in his own tally, Len's comments
and five reply comments (last time I looked) counted as if they
were written by six different people.

Len's postings are also unclear about what was counted. In parts of the
posting he uses the word "comments" and in others the word "filings",
hiding the fact that he was counting comments and reply comments.

By viewing the continuously-posted tally postings,
it is quite evident that a better than 2:1 ratio in favor of
the NPRM was held at the starting weeks of the Comment
period.

Irrelevant.

That ratio began to change from the date of notice
in the Federal Register that the NPRM Comment period had
begun on 31 August 2005. The tallies can be verified by
anyone reading all 3,760 filings in WT Docket 05-235 as of
the close of ECFS updates on 10 November 2005.

Someone else did read them, and came up with a different
result than Len.

It should be noted that the official Comment period on NPRM
05-143 ENDED on 31 October. The Reply to Comments period is
still officially OPEN until Monday, 14 November 2005, as
stated in the Federal Register of 31 August 2005. Among the
9 official Replies to Comments (the other 48 are unofficial
Comments), all of them are FOR the NPRM. Those who bother
to look at the many tally postings I made will see the trend
of opinion changing weekly.

The final result is what matters.

Nothing was hidden.

Incorrect, as shown above.

Posting of the "score card" was terminated after the official
end of the Comment period on 31 October 2005. The number of
other posts of continual argument and bickering were so great
that it was no longer worthwhile to continue the tally posting
in public.

In other words, Len did not want his results criticized or examined
closely. He wanted them accepted as fact, without question.

There are no "rules" on posting tallies of public opinion
except those of the person(s) doing the tally.

Yet when questions were posed about Len's "rules", he became
the source of "continual argument and bickering" rather than
answering the questions honestly.

That another
has posted an alleged "analysis" of WT Docket 05-235 filing
contents is not any valid argument against what I have done.

Why not? Is Leonard H. Anderson incapable of error?

None-the-less, it will be interesting to see, after whatever
action the FCC takes in regards to dropping the Code Test,

Regardless of comments, that will almost certainly be to drop
all Morse Code testing.

if

Len

will then get the "Extra Lite" (or any other HF-authorized license) or
continue to spam the NG with his anti-Amateur Radio bile...

Isn't that answer clear?

Irrelevant and incorrect.

Neither.

What I do in the future is of no
concern to any action of the FCC to make a final Report and
Order as a result of the end of the Comments and Replies to
Comments. The Commission will make a decision at some
future time but that time will not be soon. The number of
filings in WT Docket 05-235 exceed those made on WT Docket
98-143 ("Restructuring") by about 1,500; WT Docket 98-143
had only about 2,200 filings in the official Comment and
Replies to Comments period of about 11 months time.

Len has repeatedly given opinions about others' motivations, yet
will not reveal his own. Except for one outburst in January 2000,
he has not expressed the desire or intention to get an amateur radio
license.

As to the past,

unknown person

has NOT yet provided any
proof whatsoever that he was ever IN any of the alleged
"seven hostile actions" he claimed he was in.

Veterans of military and government service who disagree with Len have
been
subject to Len's insults and denigration of their service,
regardless of what or when it was. Len's classic "sphinters post"
proves that.