R 231756Z APR 03
FM COMNAVSECGRU FT GEORGE G MEADE MD//N00//
TO AIG 11030
AIG 23
AIG 245
AIG 270
AIG 331
AIG 358
AIG 371
AIG 383
SSO NAVY WASHINGTON DC//JJJ//
NSACSS FT GEORGE G MEADE MD//E131/SLA/E04//
DIRNAVSECGRULANT NORFOLK VA//N39//
DIRNAVSECGRUPAC PEARL HARBOR HI//N39//
DIRNAVSECGRUEUR LONDON UK//N9//
COMNAVPERSCOM MILLINGTON TN//PERS-408/PERS-4410/N132D8//
CENCRYPTOLOGY CORRY STATION PENSACOLA FL//00/50/N0032//
CNET PENSACOLA FL//ETE41/N75//
NETPDTC PENSACOLA FL//N341//
CENCRYPTOLOGY DET FT HUACHUCA AZ//N00//
CENCRYPTOLOGY DET GOODFELLOW AFB TX//N00//
CENCRYPTOLOGY DET MONTEREY CA//N00//
CRYPSUPPGRU SOCOM MACDILL AFB FL//JJJ//
CRYPSUPPGRU USAFE RAMSTEIN AB GE//JJJ//
CRYPTSUPPGRU JFCOM NORFOLK VA//JJJ//
ONI WASHINGTON DC//JJJ//
INFO COMNAVRESSECGRUCOM FT WORTH TX//N7//
NAVRESSECGRU RCA CENTRAL FT SHERIDAN IL//JJJ//
NAVRESSECGRU RCA EAST FORT DIX NJ//JJJ//
NAVRESSECGRU RCA WEST SAN DIEGO CA//JJJ//
CNO WASHINGTON DC//N20/N132D8//
COMSPAWARSYSCOM SAN DIEGO CA//JJJ//
NCTF-CND WASHINGTON DC//00//
BT
UNCLAS E F T O //N01500//
MSGID/GENADMIN/COMNAVSECGRU/N00//
SUBJ/CRYPTOLOGIC TECHNICAL NETWORKS (CTN) RATING ESTABLISHMENT//
REF/A/MSG/COMNAVSECGRU/061750ZJAN03//
AMPN/REF A IS COMMANDER'S THRUSTS FOR 2003//
POC1/LT L. CIAMBOR/NSG HQ N64/COMCL: (240) 373-3604/NSTS: 962-3604/
NIPRNET: LLCIAMB(AT)HQCNSG.NAVY.MIL OR LLCIAMB(AT)NSG.USN.NSA//
POC2/CNOCM(SW/AW) COOPER/NSG HQ/COMCL: (240) 373-3651/ NSTS: 962-3651
/NIPRNET: CACOOPE(AT)HQCNSG.NAVY.MIL OR CACOOP(AT)NSG.USN.NSA//
RMKS/1. INFORMATION AGE CHALLENGES REQUIRE THE NAVY'S CRYPTOLOGIC
WORKFORCE TO BOTH MODERNIZE AND TRANSFORM. AS STATED IN REF A, IT IS
CRITICAL TO SHAPE THE WORKFORCE BY DEVELOPING AND EMPLOYING SKILLS THAT
PROVIDE A COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE TO THE WARFIGHTER. IN SUPPORT OF
OPERATIONALIZING INFORMATION OPERATIONS (IO) WE WILL CONTINUE TO EXPAND
THE NSG SKILL BASE IN IO FUNCTIONS, ESPECIALLY IN COMPUTER NETWORK
OPERATIONS (CNO) AND ELECTRONIC WARFARE (EW). ALTHOUGH CONSIDERABLE
DISCUSSIONS AND EFFORT HAVE FOCUSED ON MERGING OR CONVERTING CT RATINGS
TO MEET THE CNO MISSION REQUIREMENT, THIS HAS BEEN ABANDONED IN FAVOR OF
ESTABLISHING CTN AS A NEW RATING. THERE ARE CT SAILORS DOING THE CNO
MISSION TODAY. MANY OTHERS ARE READY TO MEET THE CHALLENGE TO GAIN THE
REQUIRED SKILLS. THEY WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY TO A RATING WITH
CNO FOCUSED COMPETENCY AND CAREER PROGRESSION. NSG STAFF, RATING EXPERTS,
AND CT RATING COMMUNITY MANAGEMENT ARE WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH SENIOR
NAVY LEADERSHIP TO GAIN SECNAV APPROVAL TO ESTABLISH THE CTN RATING.
2. WE WILL EMPLOY OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE COMPUTER NETWORK OPERATIONS
TOOLS AND TECHNIQUES IN SUPPORT OF THE IO WARFARE AREA. PROVIDE TECHNICAL
EXPERTISE IN NETWORK-CENTRIC OPERATIONS, FOCUS ON DETECTING, PROTECTING,
REACTING AND RESPONDING TO THREATS AGAINST NAVY NETWORKS; DEFEND AGAINST
EXTERNAL AND INTERNAL THREATS THROUGH DEFENSE-IN-DEPTH, TECHNICAL AND NON-
TECHNICAL METHODS TO INCLUDE: ATTACK SENSING AND WARNING (AS&W); PROVIDE
LONG TERM CND TREND, PATTERN AND THREAT ANALYSIS; VULNERABILITY
ASSESSMENTS, INCLUDING ACTIVE PENETRATION TESTING AND RED TEAMING, CND
TRAINING, AWARENESS AND CERTIFICATION PLANNING AND RISK MITIGATION
PROCEDURES, PROVIDE INTELLIGENCE AND TARGET DEVELOPMENT IN THE EXECUTION
OF OFFENSIVE ACTIONS DESIGNED TO NEUTRALIZE THREATS TO NAVY INFORMATION
SYSTEMS.
3. THE CTN WILL NEED TO POSSESS A COMBINATION OF TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE
AND ANALYSIS SKILLS. WHETHER OPERATING OFFENSIVELY OR DEFENSIVELY, THE
CTN WILL FUSE TOGETHER INFORMATION FROM VARIOUS SOURCES TO PROVIDE THE
SITUATIONAL AWARENESS REQUIRED TO PLAN AND EXECUTE INFORMATION OPERATIONS
(IO) ACTIONS/COUNTER-ACTIONS.
4. ONCE THE CTN RATING IS ESTABLISHED A MESSAGE WILL BE RELEASED
REQUESTING INTERESTED/QUALIFIED CT/EWS TO SUBMIT CONVERSION REQUEST
PACKAGES. THE SOURCE RATINGS FOR CTN WILL INITIALLY BE LIMITED TO THE
CRYPTOLOGIC/ELECTRONIC WARFARE COMMUNITY. LONG TERM PLANS ARE FOR THE
CTN RATING TO BE A NORMALLY ACCESSED RATING, AS WELL AS OPEN TO ALL NAVY
CONVERSION.
5. A TASK FORCE EXCEL (TFE) JOB TASK ANALYSIS (JTA) OF PERSONNEL
PERFORMING THE COMPUTER NETWORK OPERATIONS (CNO) MISSION WAS CONDUCTED
28 OCT THROUGH 1 NOV 02. IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CENTER FOR CRYPTOLOGY,
WE HAVE BEGUN DEVELOPING AND POPULATING THE 5-VECTOR MODEL. THE GOAL
COMPLETION IS MID 2003. AS WITH EACH OF THE CT RATINGS, I ENVISION THAT
RIGHT FROM "A" SCHOOL, GRADUATES WILL HAVE INDUSTRY-RECOGNIZED SKILLS AND
CERTIFICATIONS. THE CTO/CTM O/M CORE AND BASIC DIGITAL NETWORK ANALYSIS
(BDNA) WILL MAKE UP THE CTN A SCHOOL. THERE ARE ADDITIONAL INTERMEDIATE
AND MASTER LEVEL "C" SCHOOLS UNDER DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS NETWORK ANALYSIS
AND REPORTING, NETWORK VULNERABILITY ANALYSIS, AND OTHERS.
6. BILLETS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR POTENTIAL CONVERSION TO CTN UPON
RATING ESTABLISHMENT (MANY, BUT NOT ALL, ARE CURRENTLY CTO OR CTM). THE
BILLETS ARE LOCATED AT VARIOUS ACTIVITIES, SUCH AS FLEET INFORMATION
WARFARE COMMAND (FIWC), NAVAL INFORMATION WARFARE ACTIVITY (NIWA), NAVAL
COMPONENT TASK FORCE - COMPUTER NETWORK DEFENSE (NCTF-CND), NAVAL
SECURITY GROUP ACTIVITY PENSACOLA (NSGAP), REGIONAL SECURITY OPERATIONS
CENTERS (RSOC) AND THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY (NSA). TO MEET THE
PROJECTED FY08 MISSION REQUIREMENT, WE ARE ENGAGED IN REINVESTMENT
INITIATIVES TO EXPAND THE BILLET BASE AND LOCATIONS.
7. COMMANDS ARE ENCOURAGED TO USE THE CTN WEBSITE LOCATED AT
WWW.HQ.NSG.USN.NSA/CLAIMNET/CTN/INDEX.HTM AS A REFERENCE FOR EDUCATING
PERSONNEL ON THE CTN RATING. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS PLEASE USE THE
DISTRIBUTION LIST "_CNSG CTN" ON NSANET, OR CONTACT MY POCS LISTED ABOVE.
FOR UNCLASSIFIED QUESTIONS/DISCUSSIONS USE THE CRYPTOLOGY COMMUNITY
DISCUSSION BOARD UNDER THE NAVY KNOWLEDGE ONLINE (NKO) PORTAL LOCATED AT
WWW.NKO.NAVY.MIL
8. THE CTN WILL BE KEY IN STRENGTHENING THE INTEGRATION OF IO INTO NAVAL
OPERATIONS BY UTILIZING OUR MOST VALUABLE RESOURCE - A PROFESSIONAL,
HIGHLY TRAINED WORKFORCE.//
BT
#3813

NNNN

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:13:58 +0000, Iitoi wrote:

R 231756Z APR 03
FM COMNAVSECGRU FT GEORGE G MEADE MD//N00//
[snip]

First, the DoN needs to learn about lower case; next, they should drop
the superfluous Morse code abbreviations (such as BT) from their
official text messages. I know it's tradition, and I know the
rationalizations they use for sticking to the WWII format, but it
really does look like a protocol used by lamers.

And no hacker wants to hang out with lamers.

Lloyd wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:13:58 +0000, Iitoi wrote:

R 231756Z APR 03
FM COMNAVSECGRU FT GEORGE G MEADE MD//N00//
[snip]

First, the DoN needs to learn about lower case; next, they should drop
the superfluous Morse code abbreviations (such as BT) from their
official text messages. I know it's tradition, and I know the
rationalizations they use for sticking to the WWII format, but it
really does look like a protocol used by lamers.

And no hacker wants to hang out with lamers.



Well Lloyd what they know and you dont i guess is that TTY doesnt have
lower case. Even though pc's are in use now, their message formatting
and text style is teletype style. Baudot code and all. Join up, it
might do you some good. I happen to have worked 20 years in this exact
field.

On 21 Apr 2006 14:28:20 -0700, wrote:


Lloyd wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:13:58 +0000, Iitoi wrote:

R 231756Z APR 03
FM COMNAVSECGRU FT GEORGE G MEADE MD//N00//
[snip]

First, the DoN needs to learn about lower case; next, they should drop
the superfluous Morse code abbreviations (such as BT) from their
official text messages. I know it's tradition, and I know the
rationalizations they use for sticking to the WWII format, but it
really does look like a protocol used by lamers.

And no hacker wants to hang out with lamers.



Well Lloyd what they know and you dont i guess is that TTY doesnt have
lower case. Even though pc's are in use now, their message formatting
and text style is teletype style. Baudot code and all. Join up, it
might do you some good. I happen to have worked 20 years in this exact
field.
given lloyd reported age is a bout 50 by many reports I don't think so

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On 21 Apr 2006 14:28:20 -0700, wrote:

Well Lloyd what they know and you dont i guess is that TTY doesnt have
lower case. Even though pc's are in use now, their message formatting
and text style is teletype style. Baudot code and all. Join up, it
might do you some good. I happen to have worked 20 years in this exact
field.

I happen to have worked for the Navy for more than 20 years too (Naval
Research Laboratory). And TTYs have had lower case capabilities since
the early 60's. Baudot died in the 70's and was replaced by ASCII
(ANSI standard). The Navy kept on truckin' with their old, outmoded
nonsense and used ASCII over satellite links to keep on emulating the
ancient WWII format. The Navy hasn't used real Baudot for years and
years. Their machines aren't even capable of it any more.

Back to the drawing board, devoman1999. You're typing at someone who
has been there. I'm wondering if you're not just blowing smoke.

On 22 Apr 2006 00:51:47 GMT, Lloyd wrote:

On 21 Apr 2006 14:28:20 -0700, wrote:

Well Lloyd what they know and you dont i guess is that TTY doesnt have
lower case. Even though pc's are in use now, their message formatting
and text style is teletype style. Baudot code and all. Join up, it
might do you some good. I happen to have worked 20 years in this exact
field.

I happen to have worked for the Navy for more than 20 years too (Naval
Research Laboratory). And TTYs have had lower case capabilities since
the early 60's. Baudot died in the 70's and was replaced by ASCII
(ANSI standard). The Navy kept on truckin' with their old, outmoded
nonsense and used ASCII over satellite links to keep on emulating the
ancient WWII format. The Navy hasn't used real Baudot for years and
years. Their machines aren't even capable of it any more.

Back to the drawing board, devoman1999. You're typing at someone who
has been there. I'm wondering if you're not just blowing smoke.

Having been Army I wondered at the same thing (and esp not being amry
com) but I suspected as much of course Now I wonder why you say you
wonder if devo is blowing smoke, Being polite and foolish?

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Ok, since you doubt the credibility that fine. I did work Navy
communications for 20 years. Just for grins I am posting a copy of the
recent E9 selection board results. Wonder why it's all in caps??????

Looks like any Naval message I ever saw. (Of what I would call the
GENSER variety)

R 191513Z APR 06 ZYB MIN ZYW
FM CNO WASHINGTON DC//N1/NT//
TO NAVADMIN
INFO RHMFIUU/CNO WASHINGTON DC//N1/NT//
RUENAAA/CNO WASHINGTON DC//N1/NT//
BT
UNCLAS //N01426//
NAVADMIN 108/06
MSGID/GENADMIN/CNO WASHINGTON DC/N1NT/APR//
SUBJ/FY-07 E9 (CYCLE 189) ACTIVE DUTY SELECTION BOARD RESULTS//
GENTEXT/REMARKS/1.
CONGRATULATIONS TO THE FOLLOWING SENIOR CHIEF PETTY OFFICERS ON THEIR
SELECTION
FOR ADVANCEMENT TO THE RANK OF MASTER CHIEF PETTY OFFICER. THIS
NAVADMIN IS NOT
AUTHORIZATION FOR ADVANCEMENT, BUT SELECTEES MAY BE FROCKED IF
QUALIFIED, PER
BUPERSINST 1430.16E. SPECIFIC DATES OF ADVANCEMENT WILL BE PROMULGATED
BY NETPDTC, PENSACOLA.


Perhaps you could break down the message formatting.....

On 21 Apr 2006 19:21:04 -0700, wrote:
Ok, since you doubt the credibility that fine. I did work Navy
communications for 20 years. Just for grins I am posting a copy of the
recent E9 selection board results. Wonder why it's all in caps??????
[snip]

Certainly not because the equipment is using Baudot or can't support
lower case. It's in caps because the Navy chooses to do things that
way; not because it has to.

You asserted that TTY equipment can't do lower case, and I replied
that isn't true. As a matter of fact, standard Navy messages are
often produced with special software which runs on ordinary desktop
PCs running Windows. The standard character code set for Windows is
not Baudot. It is typically ASCII or some ISO superset of ASCII such
as UTF-8.

Secretaries are typically selected to be trained in using the message
software, as well as in the somewhat arcane rules for constructing
Navy standard messages. Substantial costs are incurred for training,
software maintenance, and man hours in order to support the use of
those messages. The content or format of the messages themselves is
irrelevant to this thread, because it is the use of monocase sprinkled
with Morse code abbreviations which was originally at issue.

I maintain that it's a throwback to an earlier era and based mostly
upon tradition. A Navy which brags about how modern it is really
ought to do away with those things and replace them with something
more 21st century. It would probably save the taxpayers some money
too.