blubbered & whined in a message...

of the flame wars myself however, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
KC4UAI



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//another psycho for the blocked-sender file//


PLONK

A perfect example of stuff that would be filtered as noise should this
group go moderated someday. Despite the objections I've heard here, I
think there is much to gain here.

Of course this whole debate is a bit out of topic for this group to
start with...

I'm done now...


Miami Wind wrote:
blubbered & whined in a message...

of the flame wars myself however, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
KC4UAI



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PLONK

In Stagger Lee writes:

On Sat, 6 May 2006 14:20:11 +0000, Iitoi wrote:

Following thoughtful article seen on another medium.....

Amateur Radio Newsgroups: Total Meltdown
Paul W. Schleck (K3FU) on April 26, 2006


Way back in 1972, before there was a World-Wide Web, even before there
[snip]

This is a very predictable post from the indivdual involved. It also
pretty much ignores the details about how Usenet moderated groups have
traditionally worked.

[...]

Don't let the control freaks like Schleck attempt to have their way
(BTW, he's in my kill file and has been there for years). Make a
serious effort to take responsibility for what you read yourself.

PSSSSSTTTT!!!

Since Stagger Lee has me in his kill file, and thus won't see this
article, I can let the rest of the newsgroup in on a little secret.

Most of the points in his post were anticipated, and rebutted, in the
third post of mine, made on April 27th, to the QRZ/eHam thread that has
been relayed by an anonymous user to this newsgroup. It wasn't me (I
always post from Novia), but it's probably just as well that the matter
has broken open for discussion here.

You can view the entire threads of discussion at:

http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard....T;f=7;t=119282

and

http://www.eham.net/articles/13581

Furthermore, any proposed moderated newsgroup will have a team of
moderators, applying objective moderation criteria to be decided upon,
and announced before, any newsgroup approval or creation. Volunteer
moderators have been, and will be, solicited.

In the meantime, if anyone is sincerely interested in joining such a
team, please contact me at my E-mail address above.

Remember, mum's the word! SHHHHHHH!!!

--
73, Paul W. Schleck, K3FU

http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/
Finger for PGP Public Key

"Paul W. Schleck" whined in a message...
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Hey Control Freak, have you started your own radio club
and purchased a repeater yet?

"Saggtytits Lee" has been plagiarizing all along. What his M.O. is to
cut and paste others' words and add a few comments of his own so it
appears he did the entire body of work. He's an idiot, (says Steve
Gielda) and tried to net-cop others whose opinions didn't match his. Hr
tried to pass off an Alabama ARES website for an WV ARES organization.
He is a plain imbecile.

On 9 May 2006 07:36:07 -0700, wrote:
"Saggtytits Lee" has been plagiarizing all along. What his M.O. is to
cut and paste others' words and add a few comments of his own so it
appears he did the entire body of work. He's an idiot, (says Steve
Gielda) and tried to net-cop others whose opinions didn't match his. Hr
tried to pass off an Alabama ARES website for an WV ARES organization.
He is a plain imbecile.

Wiseman, Stagger Lee has outed your plagiarism and your ISPs so often
that you have to hide behind Google's free accounts now. You even hid
from Dave Heil's wife, you mewling pussy.

Reason? You're literally a raving lunatic in real life, so you have no
idea of what's happening in the real world. Look at your lie about
Gielda, who in fact called YOU an idiot, as can be verified by anyone
who looks at

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.2...10e1ef18?hl=en

Mark is right. Get help. Not even NIM Busters wants you around.
That's why they elected you "Cocksucker of the Year" for 2006.

DeLorean wrote:
On 9 May 2006 07:36:07 -0700, wrote:
"Saggtytits Lee" has been plagiarizing all along. What his M.O. is to
cut and paste others' words and add a few comments of his own so it
appears he did the entire body of work. He's an idiot, (says Steve
Gielda) and tried to net-cop others whose opinions didn't match his. Hr
tried to pass off an Alabama ARES website for an WV ARES organization.
He is a plain imbecile.

Wiseman, Stagger Lee has outed your plagiarism and your ISPs so often
that you have to hide behind Google's free accounts now. You even hid
from Dave Heil's wife, you mewling pussy.

Reason? You're literally a raving lunatic in real life, so you have no
idea of what's happening in the real world. Look at your lie about
Gielda, who in fact called YOU an idiot, as can be verified by anyone
who looks at

frankly I have come to the conclusion that Wismen is trying a form of
"suicide by cop" behaving so badly he hopes someone will kill him since
i guess the cops in his town have seen thugh his efforts and will not
play along

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.2...10e1ef18?hl=en

Mark is right. Get help. Not even NIM Busters wants you around.
That's why they elected you "Cocksucker of the Year" for 2006.
yep wismen get help please, aor find a better means of offing yourself
the present strategy sn't going to work

"Iitoi" wrote in message
...

Following thoughtful article seen on another medium.....

Amateur Radio Newsgroups: Total Meltdown
Paul W. Schleck (K3FU) on April 26, 2006

no no no, you got it all wrong.
HR NG's have gone to shi+ because
Hollingsworth wanted it that way.
After he cleaned up the major players
of the 14.313 mess that went on un-checked for over 20
Years, followed shortly by a clean sweep of the
75 Meter clownss, RH made several
statements to the effect that "..all the former QRM'ers
he didn't get should go to Usenet where they can play
all day via the keyboard and clear off of Ham Radio".

Guess what......THEY DID JUST THAT.
(...including me too - I was the "Dancing JP Chicken"
from 14.313 for many Years. Drove Herbie nuts.
Loved every minute too. Another person on
RRAP, who I will not reveal, is
the legendary "Spongeboy-Bucketmouth" which the
late Mike 'MUJ made famous)

So - they you go boys - and we used to say:

"ENJOY.....YA'VE EARNED IT"(....on the BARF Cannonball!)
Baaaaaaaaa hahahahhahahaha!

Iitoi wrote:
Following thoughtful article seen on another medium.....

Amateur Radio Newsgroups: Total Meltdown
Paul W. Schleck (K3FU) on April 26, 2006


Way back in 1972, before there was a World-Wide Web, even before there
was Usenet News, amateur radio enthusiasts on the then-ARPANet
organized a mailing list known as Info-Hams. In 1979, a couple of
researchers at Duke and UNC developed a system that used "Unix to Unix
File Copy" or "uucp" to copy files from one system to another, to make
a broadcast bulletin-board system called "Usenet." The Info-Hams
mailing list eventually gatewayed to this system, becoming fa.info-hams
(fa = "From ARPANet"), then rec.ham-radio, then rec.radio.amateur.*.

Fast-forward to the present, and the newsgroups rec.radio.amateur.misc
and rec.radio.amateur.policy are now in complete meltdown (the
*.antenna, *.dx, *.equipment, and *.space newsgroups still seem to be
in good shape, though). Both forums are almost completely bereft of any
topic discussion. Instead, one can find run-on threads consisting of
short, sniping, and personal attacks containing obscene language from
what must be fewer than a dozen, mostly anonymous, users.

What happened? -- Maybe too many run-on arguments about code, or
attacks on individual ham's personal character. Maybe just the anarchy
and Tragedy of the Commons that is encouraged by totally-open,
unmoderated forums where no one is obliged to obey any rules, and no
competent authority seems able or willing to enforce them if there were
any. Further fanning the flames are free, and anonymous, news posting
sites like Google Groups, Yahoo, etc., as well as any news site that
simply doesn't care to enforce any net etiquette among its users. Some
hams have even offered the explanation that better enforcement of
amateur radio regulations by Riley Hollingsworth at the FCC has had the
unintended consequence of driving problem hams off the bands and onto a
less restrictive forum to wreck.

As for Google Groups, it certainly deserves credit for archiving most
newsgroup discussions since 1981 (thanks to old backup tapes
meticulously maintained by Henry Spencer at the University of Toronto),
but also a big raspberry for contributing to this problem.

This hasn't happened to every newsgroup. Even though other newsgroups
have trolls, there seems to be a "immune system" of constructive users
who step in both to ostracize problem users, and continue positive
contributions in the face of such troublemakers. Certainly this
behavior is not tolerated on web logs such as qrz.com and eHam.net. The
site owners simply would not allow it. There is at least one example of
a licensed radio amateur who is Dr. Jekyll on the blogs, but Mr. Hyde
on rec.radio.amateur.policy. There may even be others.

I'm sure some would argue that Usenet is obsolete, and we are all
better off going to moderated blogs. Still, I can't help but think that
something is being lost here. For example, 20 years into the future,
will we be able to read archived and indexed articles from most web
logs that exist today, as we now have with Google Groups? Are there
constructive solutions to the meltdown on rec.radio.amateur.*, such as
converting newsgroups to moderated status, even if such moderated
status is simply a self-approval, or anonymous user filter, mechanism?


Posted from another medium
by The Man in the Maze
QRV at Baboquivari Peak


--
Iitoi

What a ****ing idiot.

"Iitoi" wrote in message
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1. Start a radio club.
2. Maintain total control & ownership of the club repeater.
3. Have yourself elected permanent president of the club.


Now go away and play control freak.