"J. D. B." wrote:

Not quite. Testing on rules, regulations and technical knowledge is a
bit different than testing on one specific mode of communication. I use
CW, but considered the continued archaic CW testing requirement to be
silly and outdated. It should have been dropped 30 years ago.

Anybody who can't pass the minimal 5 WPM doesn't deserve a license.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

dxAce wrote:
"J. D. B." wrote:

Not quite. Testing on rules, regulations and technical knowledge is a
bit different than testing on one specific mode of communication. I use
CW, but considered the continued archaic CW testing requirement to be
silly and outdated. It should have been dropped 30 years ago.

Anybody who can't pass the minimal 5 WPM doesn't deserve a license.
why?

and it isn't a matter f "deserving" alicense at all is about meeting
the legal mandaable requirement and now absent the treaty the code
fails to make the standards of law and the FCC knows even if you don't

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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dxAce wrote:
"J. D. B." wrote:

Not quite. Testing on rules, regulations and technical knowledge is a
bit different than testing on one specific mode of communication. I
use
CW, but considered the continued archaic CW testing requirement to be
silly and outdated. It should have been dropped 30 years ago.

Anybody who can't pass the minimal 5 WPM doesn't deserve a license.
why?

and it isn't a matter f "deserving" alicense at all is about meeting
the legal mandaable requirement and now absent the treaty the code
fails to make the standards of law and the FCC knows even if you don't

dxAce
Michigan
USA


5 WPM is easy. esp if you use Farnsworth.

i'm at 18 WPM, and i can copy contest exchanges at 30 WPM. i haven't made a
CW QSO in 10 years!

i think the code requirement should be 13 WPM plus for the upper classes.
keeps the riff raff out.

Gravity

gravity wrote:
"an old freind" wrote in message
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and it isn't a matter f "deserving" alicense at all is about meeting
the legal mandaable requirement and now absent the treaty the code
fails to make the standards of law and the FCC knows even if you don't

dxAce
Michigan
USA


5 WPM is easy. esp if you use Farnsworth.

easy for you

not for me

I spent 5 years in my teens taking a test every couple of weeks towrds
the end. I did get so I might pass either the sending or receiving on a
given day but never both

guess from that data I suspect isf I had the time and schedule I could
mange to pass a receiving or better still a sending test in roughly a
year bt I don't my schedule leaves very busy eroids and very slow
eriods

but all this is beside the point
nothing in the treaty give the USA the requirement to make such a test
and nothing in the consitiotn reglates the matter so the power to use
hf specturm is resvresed byt eh 10th amend to the states or the people
themselves (para the constititon

unless the power to impose a code test can be shown to exist in other
section such preahps shwoing that it is "nessacary and proper" an
arguement that could have been made say when the miltary needed to warn
us of freqs they were suing in cw or some other argument, the FCC and
th congress lack the legeal power to maintain the test if challanged,
an expensive and unpleasent task

i think the code requirement should be 13 WPM plus for the upper classes.
keeps the riff raff out.
but it did not keep the riffraf out as the folks listeningt o 80 m have
known since long before the last change

Gravity

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Anybody who can't pass the minimal 5 WPM doesn't deserve a license.

That's needlessly insulting.

"gravity" wrote in message news:4496bf14$0$14238

5 WPM is easy.

Nonsense.

Tell us you can do it --- tell us your mangy hound dog can do it, but steer
clear of the blanket statements. It isn't easy to one who can't do it.

Sal M. Onella wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message
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Anybody who can't pass the minimal 5 WPM doesn't deserve a license.

That's needlessly insulting.
well the is DX ace for you never be just rude whenyou can be insulting

5 WPM is do-able! My 4 1/2 year granddaughter copies 5 wpm! Her 10 year old
brother, who learned it in Cub Scouts, taught her. And, she can't even spell
yet! But, she knows the alphabet from watching TV.

Some people have DIFFICULTY learning Morse Code, real difficulty!

I have taught Morse Code off and on for 40 years and from total ignorance to
100% success in 8 hours, 2 hours a week for 4 weeks [plus a little home
practice. It is practice [work] that makes it successful.]

Some people can learn the code but suffer from "TEST STRESS". They can copy it
comfortably in their home or their surroundings; but, when they have to
demonstrate that skill in front of a 'WITNESS' who has pass/fail power, they
tense up and fail. That's understandable and can be worked with.

Some people are dyslexic. But, they can hear it and talk it out, but can't get
it on paper. But, they learned the code.

If you can learn the english alphabet, if you can learn the english language, if
you can read this email then you CAN LEARN Morse Code at 5 WPM. You may never
progress to 20 wpm [It took me 24 months at 1 hour of practice a day every day
to progress from 5 to 20 wpm] but 5 wpm can be learned.

Teaching methods, practice criteria and testing/verification methods become
critical for those with difficulty.

/s/ DD, W1MCE

Sal M. Onella wrote:

"gravity" wrote in message news:4496bf14$0$14238


5 WPM is easy.


Nonsense.

Tell us you can do it --- tell us your mangy hound dog can do it, but steer
clear of the blanket statements. It isn't easy to one who can't do it.

I'll top post again for brevity and getting to the point.

I like CW! It is most likely going away as a requirement. I'm sad at this.

Amateur radio will change as a result. Everything changes. Hopefully the changes
will be positive.

Dave wrote:

5 WPM is do-able! My 4 1/2 year granddaughter copies 5 wpm! Her 10 year
old brother, who learned it in Cub Scouts, taught her. And, she can't
even spell yet! But, she knows the alphabet from watching TV.

Some people have DIFFICULTY learning Morse Code, real difficulty!

MAJOR SNIPPING from here down.

Dave wrote:
5 WPM is do-able! My 4 1/2 year granddaughter copies 5 wpm! Her 10 year old
brother, who learned it in Cub Scouts, taught her. And, she can't even spell
yet! But, she knows the alphabet from watching TV.

Some people have DIFFICULTY learning Morse Code, real difficulty!

I have taught Morse Code off and on for 40 years and from total ignorance to
100% success in 8 hours, 2 hours a week for 4 weeks [plus a little home
practice. It is practice [work] that makes it successful.]

bulls**** or I'd would have a noivice license rough 3 decades ago

Some people can learn the code but suffer from "TEST STRESS". They can copy it
comfortably in their home or their surroundings; but, when they have to
demonstrate that skill in front of a 'WITNESS' who has pass/fail power, they
tense up and fail. That's understandable and can be worked with.

never could do it alone with any reliablity either

Some people are dyslexic. But, they can hear it and talk it out, but can't get
it on paper. But, they learned the code.
some dyslexics can true

If you can learn the english alphabet, if you can learn the english language, if
you can read this email then you CAN LEARN Morse Code at 5 WPM. You may never
progress to 20 wpm [It took me 24 months at 1 hour of practice a day every day
to progress from 5 to 20 wpm] but 5 wpm can be learned.
shove you insistance that you can speak for eveyone where the sun don't
shine

Teaching methods, practice criteria and testing/verification methods become
critical for those with difficulty.
indeed as do factors like random chance

/s/ DD, W1MCE
now even if you are right why should somebody be made to take this test
after Icould endure 10 lashes in a public sqare too (and thatwould
certainly be easier)