Al Klein wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:49:48 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

Can you say "Yes, I ar wun"?

Can't you spell any better than that?

A spelling flame! I'm vanquished!


Not really, I just hate needless abbreviations, and even more so as
my vision gets worse.


So, Al. Can you tell us how many receivers or transmitters have you
built from scratch? Not from a kit, or someone else's design, but from
scratch? Drew a block diagram that was converted to a real schematic
one block at a time where you did all the math, laid out the chassis,
cut and drilled all the holes and built the equipment all by yourself?

3 receivers, about a dozen transmitters. Oh, yes, and the automation
system of the Hong Kong Space Museum planetarium, the old Amtrak
ticket printer, some software that's in use in over 50,000
installations around the world ...

But I'm not the typical ham, I've been a design engineer for a long
time.


I was asked a number of times why I didn't have a degree in EE. When
I found a problem, or saw something that needed improved I didn't just
run crying to the MEs. I researched the problem and wrote up a detailed
report. I found the way to correct the problem, found a source for any
part we didn't already stock, and submitted it directly to the engineer
responsible for that item. After a while they would just flip through
my paperwork and submit it to be typed up on the proper forms, then sign
it off. I had planned to go to college and get my degree, but my time in
the Army threw those plans out the window.


What is the biggest transmitter you've ever built or used? I'm a
disabled now, but I worked in broadcast

Never built anything over a kilowatt, but engineered some pretty hefty
ones. (Ch. 40 in Waterbury CT, WWRL, WHN, a few others.)

(You remind me of an IBM HR department of old. They always wanted to
know the largest program the applicant ever wrote. Someone
legitimately told them, back when software was a few k, that he'd
written a 3 meg program. It was a translation program with a 3 meg
dictionary. You're playing "mine is bigger than yours.")


Not really, but a lot of guys have never done anything more than
solder a microphone plug to a cable, and then use those crappy
solderless coax connectors. Actually, I'm always happy to meet a ham
with some real electronics skills. I meet a lot of retired hams here
near Ocala, and very few of them know any electronics. I hear the same I
could through together a CW rig from scratch in an emergency, then they
admit they don't even have an old ARRL handbook to look up a schematic,
or any parts. One told me he would use parts from his TV set, that the
horizontal output tube and a few other parts would put him on the air.
He didn't even know that his six month old TV only had one tube, and
I've never seen a transmitter built from a CRT and salvaged, unmarked
SMD parts.


Biggest isn't the goal, but a long term large project is always
interesting. I always liked a challenge, and left the easy jobs for
everyone else.


Tell us, what can you do other than whine? Have you ever built a commercial TV station from
scratch?

All by myself, no. Ever build a planetarium automation system all by
yourself from scratch (including inventing some of the technology -
which is still, after 30 years, state of the art)? But I'm not going
to get into a ****ing contest with you. If you were mentally as old
as you claim your body to be you wouldn't have started one.


I never built anything like that, but I did repair some electronics
for the manager of the planetarium at the Orlando Science Center years
ago. I have worked on numerous industrial control systems, as well.
Sounds like it was a bit of a challenge. Good for you. My next
couple projects are an electric gate controller, and a motorized flag
pole, both with custom controllers with 100 MHz Ethernet interfaces so i
can run them from any computer on my home network. I have about 50' of
used TV tower in storage. I'm going to weld angle iron up two legs and
use a motorized trolley to raise and lower the flag. The gate openers
are a pair of used 24" sat tv jacks with a custom controller, a web cam,
and an emergency open button that sets off the security system as the
gate opens.


I found CW boring years ago, and have some hearing problems so I said
to hell with Morse code and got involved in the equipment design end of
things. It was more fun for me to develop a design and built it, get it
aligned and working, then move on to the next design.

Since I totally depend on 2 4 channel BTE aids, I can't receive CW
that easily any more, but that's not a good reason for the FCC to drop
the requirement. It's not even a bad reason. But when anyone can
guess well enough to pass the "technical" part of the exam, the
license isn't worth much.


What about the people locked out by CW requirements who wanted to
design and test RF equipment? Not the "I don't do solder" types, but
people with a real love of electronic design? I've always had a severe
dropout in my hearing that made it impossible to listen to CW for more
than a few minutes at a time. I would end up with headaches, some that
lasted for days. I finally threw in the towel and went into other areas
of electronics. I wanted to learn microwave communications. Along the
way I worked in Broadcast and Two way radio servicing. My last job was
building commercial microwave receivers at Microdyne. They were custom
built from base models for the customers application, on whatever band
or segment they needed, and with IF and video bandwidths from 10 KHz to
40 MHz. In a place like that you would have thought there would be a
lot of hams, but I only found about a dozen still licensed, and not one
who was still active.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Al Klein wrote:


What about the people locked out by CW requirements who wanted to
design and test RF equipment? Not the "I don't do solder" types, but
people with a real love of electronic design? I've always had a severe
dropout in my hearing that made it impossible to listen to CW for more
than a few minutes at a time. I would end up with headaches, some that
lasted for days. I finally threw in the towel and went into other areas
of electronics. I wanted to learn microwave communications. Along the
way I worked in Broadcast and Two way radio servicing.
i hear you on the headaches I remmebr them from my teen aged efforts at
Morse
amusing I listen I can lsiten to morse all day without a problem as
long I don't try to break it down at all then a headache sets in a in
matter of seconds and slowly grows as I try to process the signal

I can in fat qso in the mode using pc with a spectrographic display to
allow me to look at the parts of the signal I can't read with the pc

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:00:47 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:49:48 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

Can you say "Yes, I ar wun"?

Can't you spell any better than that?

A spelling flame! I'm vanquished!

Not really, I just hate needless abbreviations, and even more so as
my vision gets worse.

It wasn't an abbreviation, it was a comment. From an old poster we
had in high school - "Six munce ago I cun't evun spel injunere, now I
ar wun."

I had planned to go to college and get my degree, but my time in
the Army threw those plans out the window.

Then I'm glad I chose the Navy.

You're playing "mine is bigger than yours.")

One told me he would use parts from his TV set, that the
horizontal output tube and a few other parts would put him on the air.

There have been many people on the air thanks to a 6BG6 or similar.

He didn't even know that his six month old TV only had one tube, and
I've never seen a transmitter built from a CRT and salvaged, unmarked
SMD parts.

Interesting idea, though - a CRT as a final with an inherent monitor.
I wonder how much RF output you can drive a CRT to. And, if you made
it AM, would that be "focused" modulation? Or, if you were listening
to the flyback, "high sing modulation"?

I never built anything like that, but I did repair some electronics
for the manager of the planetarium at the Orlando Science Center years
ago.

I'll take a stab - a Minolta projector? I doubt it's a Zeiss.

What about the people locked out by CW requirements who wanted to
design and test RF equipment?

That was the whole idea behind the Tech ticket - minimal CW that
anyone could get to in a few weeks and enough written exam to prove
that you knew electronics. Anyone who can design or test RF equipment
should be able to draw a few schematics.

On 13 Jul 2006 08:27:04 -0700, "an old freind"
wrote:

amusing I listen I can lsiten to morse all day without a problem as
long I don't try to break it down at all then a headache sets in a in
matter of seconds and slowly grows as I try to process the signal

There's the problem. "breaking down" CW is like listening to the
letters someone is speaking. You don't break it down, you listen to
what's being said.

Al Klein wrote:
On 13 Jul 2006 08:27:04 -0700, "an old freind"
wrote:

amusing I listen I can lsiten to morse all day without a problem as
long I don't try to break it down at all then a headache sets in a in
matter of seconds and slowly grows as I try to process the signal

There's the problem. "breaking down" CW is like listening to the
letters someone is speaking. You don't break it down, you listen to
what's being said.
**** off

It is painfully obvious you are nothing but ahter of Ham radio and yet
you matian a license and go around bashing real hams interted in the
future of the service

an old freind trashed the English language yet again:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
What about the people locked out by CW requirements who wanted to
design and test RF equipment? Not the "I don't do solder" types, but
people with a real love of electronic design? I've always had a severe
dropout in my hearing that made it impossible to listen to CW for more
than a few minutes at a time. I would end up with headaches, some that
lasted for days. I finally threw in the towel and went into other areas
of electronics. I wanted to learn microwave communications. Along the
way I worked in Broadcast and Two way radio servicing.

i hear you on the headaches I remmebr them from my teen aged efforts at
Morse

"efforts"...?!?!

"efforts" suggests that you did something that actually required,
well, EFFORT! We all know that was wasted bandwidth!

amusing I listen I can lsiten to morse all day without a problem as
long I don't try to break it down at all then a headache sets in a in
matter of seconds and slowly grows as I try to process the signal

The PROBLEM, Morkie, is that the guys sending the Morse are doing
it in ENGLISH, and you're trying to "hear" it in Morkiese. The two
don't exchange well.

I can in fat qso in the mode using pc with a spectrographic display to
allow me to look at the parts of the signal I can't read with the pc

What's a "fat qso", Mork..?!?

And using a "...spectrographic display to allow (you) to look at
the parts of the signal (you) can't read with the pc...?!?!

More Morkie Mularkie.

Steve, K4YZ

On 13 Jul 2006 20:10:23 -0700, "an old freind"
wrote:

It is painfully obvious you are nothing but ahter of Ham radio and yet
you matian a license and go around bashing real hams

I'm bashing you - what do you have to do with "real hams"?

interted in the future of the service

Really? So how many computer languages are YOU fluent in?

Al Klein wrote in
:

On 13 Jul 2006 08:27:04 -0700, "an old freind"
wrote:

amusing I listen I can lsiten to morse all day without a problem as
long I don't try to break it down at all then a headache sets in a in
matter of seconds and slowly grows as I try to process the signal

There's the problem. "breaking down" CW is like listening to the
letters someone is speaking. You don't break it down, you listen to
what's being said.

That's what his teachers said in grade school spelling class too, "Mark,
Why don't you listen."

SC

Slow Code wrote:
Al Klein wrote in
:

On 13 Jul 2006 08:27:04 -0700, "an old freind"
wrote:

amusing I listen I can lsiten to morse all day without a problem as
long I don't try to break it down at all then a headache sets in a in
matter of seconds and slowly grows as I try to process the signal

There's the problem. "breaking down" CW is like listening to the
letters someone is speaking. You don't break it down, you listen to
what's being said.

That's what his teachers said in grade school spelling class too, "Mark,
Why don't you listen."
lying again My teacher never said ANYTHING about morse code
but your other name is "Hey Stupid"

SC

an old freind wrote:
Slow Code wrote:
Al Klein wrote in
:

On 13 Jul 2006 08:27:04 -0700, "an old freind"
wrote:

amusing I listen I can lsiten to morse all day without a problem as
long I don't try to break it down at all then a headache sets in a in
matter of seconds and slowly grows as I try to process the signal

There's the problem. "breaking down" CW is like listening to the
letters someone is speaking. You don't break it down, you listen to
what's being said.

That's what his teachers said in grade school spelling class too, "Mark,
Why don't you listen."
lying again My teacher never said ANYTHING about morse code
but your other name is "Hey Stupid"

True, Markie was in the Special Ed classes and they tend not to
actually call their retarded students "retards."