Pics of my Crosley set. Don't know why the photo looks more washed out than
the actual TV picture. Focus (of the set) is not perfect, but it is plenty
bright, and this is without a brightner and without rejuvenation. Note: this
CRT works MUCH better WITHOUT the ion trap, so I figure it must be an
upgrade version, or maybe even a 12LP4 instead of a 12KP4.

The other pic shows how far off the tuning dial is. The set is on channel 2.
Note the indicator for channel 2 is at approximately the 9:30 position.

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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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Pics of my Crosley set. Don't know why the photo looks more washed out
than the actual TV picture. Focus (of the set) is not perfect, but it is
plenty bright, and this is without a brightner and without rejuvenation.
Note: this CRT works MUCH better WITHOUT the ion trap, so I figure it must
be an upgrade version, or maybe even a 12LP4 instead of a 12KP4.

The other pic shows how far off the tuning dial is. The set is on channel
2. Note the indicator for channel 2 is at approximately the 9:30 position.

--
Illigitimus non-tatum carborundum.

Don't let the *******s wear you down!



Note that the ion trap is to protect the phosphor.

As I understand it, the electron beam is aimed slightly off centre and the
beam trajectory is corrected by an external magnetic field (the ion trap)
the ions being heavier than electrons are not deflected and collide with the
glass wall of the tube neck.

It would be interesting to know how you cantered the picture without the ion
trap.

"ian field" wrote in message
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As I understand it, the electron beam is aimed slightly off centre and the
beam trajectory is corrected by an external magnetic field (the ion trap)
the ions being heavier than electrons are not deflected and collide with
the glass wall of the tube neck.

It would be interesting to know how you cantered the picture without the
ion trap.


Actually, the ion trap (there was none on the CRT when I got the set)
doesn't seem to do much with the centering, mostly it just makes the picture
darker (about 70% or so darker). The other (parts) set I have had the ion
trap, so I used the one from that set. On closer observation, I don't think
there ever has been one on this CRT, which is why I'm wondering if it is a
replacement that doesn't require one. The tube is in exceptionally good
condition for a set this old.

On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:29:21 +0900, "Brenda Ann"
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"ian field" wrote in message
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As I understand it, the electron beam is aimed slightly off centre and the
beam trajectory is corrected by an external magnetic field (the ion trap)
the ions being heavier than electrons are not deflected and collide with
the glass wall of the tube neck.

It would be interesting to know how you cantered the picture without the
ion trap.


Actually, the ion trap (there was none on the CRT when I got the set)
doesn't seem to do much with the centering, mostly it just makes the picture
darker (about 70% or so darker). The other (parts) set I have had the ion
trap, so I used the one from that set. On closer observation, I don't think
there ever has been one on this CRT, which is why I'm wondering if it is a
replacement that doesn't require one. The tube is in exceptionally good
condition for a set this old.



The ION trap is a simple device. To prevent IONs from hitting the
phosphor screen, and creating a big brown spot in the center, the
electron gun in the neck is built with a 'bend' in it. The ions, being
what they are, are not affected by magnet fields. Electrons, are
however. By bending the gun slightly the ions hit outside a small
aperture on the accelerator grid. The ION trap magnet bends the
electron beam allowing it to go through that aperture without
problems.

Later day tubes were created with an 'aluminized layer' on top of the
phosphor that was able to handle the IONs without allowing the
phosphor to burn. And that caused the ION trap magnet to 'go away'.

So when you say the thing makes the picture 'darker' in fact it is
just simply letting the electrons strike outside the hole in aperture,
reducing the beam strength.

Brenda Ann wrote:
"ian field" wrote in message
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As I understand it, the electron beam is aimed slightly off centre and the
beam trajectory is corrected by an external magnetic field (the ion trap)
the ions being heavier than electrons are not deflected and collide with
the glass wall of the tube neck.

It would be interesting to know how you cantered the picture without the
ion trap.



Actually, the ion trap (there was none on the CRT when I got the set)
doesn't seem to do much with the centering, mostly it just makes the picture
darker (about 70% or so darker). The other (parts) set I have had the ion
trap, so I used the one from that set. On closer observation, I don't think
there ever has been one on this CRT, which is why I'm wondering if it is a
replacement that doesn't require one. The tube is in exceptionally good
condition for a set this old.



If the electron gun is aimed straight down the neck of the CRT,
instead of being quite noticeably at an angle, then the tube is
an aluminized screen version and does not require an ion trap.
It would probably be a 12LP4A rather than a 12LP4.
Regards, Alan

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:43:48 -0700, arb wrote:

Brenda Ann wrote:
"ian field" wrote in message
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As I understand it, the electron beam is aimed slightly off centre and
the beam trajectory is corrected by an external magnetic field (the ion
trap) the ions being heavier than electrons are not deflected and
collide with the glass wall of the tube neck.

It would be interesting to know how you cantered the picture without
the ion trap.



Actually, the ion trap (there was none on the CRT when I got the set)
doesn't seem to do much with the centering, mostly it just makes the
picture darker (about 70% or so darker). The other (parts) set I have
had the ion trap, so I used the one from that set. On closer
observation, I don't think there ever has been one on this CRT, which
is why I'm wondering if it is a replacement that doesn't require one.
The tube is in exceptionally good condition for a set this old.



If the electron gun is aimed straight down the neck of the CRT,
instead of being quite noticeably at an angle, then the tube is an
aluminized screen version and does not require an ion trap. It would
probably be a 12LP4A rather than a 12LP4.
Regards, Alan

According to my tube manual, a 12LP4A requires a double ion trap, two
magnets. One TV that I have that has a 12LP4 in it (I don't know if its
an A or not) does indeed have a double trap with two magnets and two
bands around the neck.

Also note that not all tubes that needed an ion trap had a bent gun.
That was only one of the ways they could be built. Another was to have
the "slot" between two of the elements angled.

All charged particles are affected by electric fields and moving charged
particles are also affected by magnetic fields. It doesn't matter if
they are electrons or ions. In the case of an electric field, the force
is proportional only to the field strength. So an electron or a singly
charged ion would experience the same force. However, since an ion is
much heavier, the same force produces much less acceleration. But since
both have been accelerated by the same electric field in the first place,
an ion would be moving much slower than an electron, thus it would
experience the field for a much longer time. The end result is that in
an electric field, an ion would follow exactly the same path as an
electron. This is why electrostatically deflected tubes don't have ion
problems and don't need an ion trap.

On the other hand, a charged particle moving in a magnetic field
experiences a force that depends on both the strength of the field and
how fast the particle is moving. Since a massive ion would be moving
much slower than an electron, it would experience much less force and
even though it is in the field longer, it would not be deflected nearly
as much. Thus, ions in a magnetically deflected tube will hit mostly
near the center of the screen, causing a burn. The gun of such a tube
will have an assymetrical electric field causing the electrons and ions
to hit the side of the tube or part of the electron gun. The magnetic
field of the ion trap bends the fast moving beam of electrons so that it
goes down the center of the tube, while the slow moving ions are bent
much less and continue to hit near where they would have hit without the
magnet.

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Think I have this ion trap thing sorted out on this set. The CRT in the set
is indeed a 12KP4, but is a definate replacement jug, made by Rauland
(Zenith's line of replacement CRT's), and is aluminized, and so does not
need an ion trap (I couldn't see the aluminum coating on the inside until
after I got enough of the gunk cleaned off the outside.

Man, that looks like pretty good focus to me! Your pic reminds me that I
need to locate the width adjustment on my RA-103. It overscans on the CRT
and will be much too wide when I put it back in the cabinet.

The CRT in my set definitely needs the ion trap. Until I moved it, the
screen was nothing but dim jellyfish wandering through a sea of mud. It
looks like a rebuilt 12JP4, judging from the half of a sticker that I can
read without pulling the tube out.

Phil Nelson

"Phil Nelson" http://antiqueradio.org/contact.htm wrote in message
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Man, that looks like pretty good focus to me! Your pic reminds me that I
need to locate the width adjustment on my RA-103. It overscans on the CRT
and will be much too wide when I put it back in the cabinet.

The CRT in my set definitely needs the ion trap. Until I moved it, the
screen was nothing but dim jellyfish wandering through a sea of mud. It
looks like a rebuilt 12JP4, judging from the half of a sticker that I can
read without pulling the tube out.

Phil Nelson

Your width control is on the yoke assembly