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You know, CW may be obsolete, but having to learn the code instilled a
bit of discipline and sense of purpose in getting a ham license. Of
course things like mathematics, science and such that require mental
discipline are no longer politically correct so are generally not
required in education today because we certainly don't want to bruise
anyone's ego or tax their MTV indoctrinated brains. So, I guess the
code will have to go.

Frank
K3YAZ
Tucson


It isn't so much the "code" being removed which has dumbed it down, it used
to be you "had" to know electronics to get a license. Blame it on the Study
Guides which really don't teach ****.

Personally, instead of seeing this CODE argument going on forever and not
solving a damned thing, using the above post of the other necessities of
life - if you intend to get anywhere - let's argue - and understandably so
and more welcome than the code argument - why the classes are being dumbed
down for our kids! Around here, the schools are wanting to build near
professional sports arenas and I'm speaking "millions of dollars" - for the
"Football" games - to hell with the studies. They "used" to give you basic
supplies when you went to school, now you buy your own. The "School Board"
seats are more hotly contested than some of the "State and Local" government
seats. Yet the education level isn't improving.
No child left behind? Eh, not if they're foot ball players. IF NOT - they're
screwed.

Just my 2 cents.

I know this is getting OT, but I agree. Ever see the stats on what the
school board people and administrators get paid compared to teachers?
Ever look at the ratio of school board administrative staff to
teachers? In New York some years ago investigative reporting indicated
that there were approximately 7 administrators per teacher and most had
"company" cars. Now we know where the money goes and why real
education doesn't matter.

Frank


Radiosrfun wrote:
wrote in message
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You know, CW may be obsolete, but having to learn the code instilled a
bit of discipline and sense of purpose in getting a ham license. Of
course things like mathematics, science and such that require mental
discipline are no longer politically correct so are generally not
required in education today because we certainly don't want to bruise
anyone's ego or tax their MTV indoctrinated brains. So, I guess the
code will have to go.

Frank
K3YAZ
Tucson


It isn't so much the "code" being removed which has dumbed it down, it used
to be you "had" to know electronics to get a license. Blame it on the Study
Guides which really don't teach ****.

Personally, instead of seeing this CODE argument going on forever and not
solving a damned thing, using the above post of the other necessities of
life - if you intend to get anywhere - let's argue - and understandably so
and more welcome than the code argument - why the classes are being dumbed
down for our kids! Around here, the schools are wanting to build near
professional sports arenas and I'm speaking "millions of dollars" - for the
"Football" games - to hell with the studies. They "used" to give you basic
supplies when you went to school, now you buy your own. The "School Board"
seats are more hotly contested than some of the "State and Local" government
seats. Yet the education level isn't improving.
No child left behind? Eh, not if they're foot ball players. IF NOT - they're
screwed.

Just my 2 cents.

Radiosrfun wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
You know, CW may be obsolete, but having to learn the code instilled a
bit of discipline and sense of purpose in getting a ham license. Of
course things like mathematics, science and such that require mental
discipline are no longer politically correct so are generally not
required in education today because we certainly don't want to bruise
anyone's ego or tax their MTV indoctrinated brains. So, I guess the
code will have to go.

Frank
K3YAZ
Tucson


It isn't so much the "code" being removed which has dumbed it down, it used
to be you "had" to know electronics to get a license. Blame it on the Study
Guides which really don't teach ****.

Regarding testing for a ham license, I think that is a good idea. I
just think we should be testing for skills that show some ability by
the operator to set up and operate a rig safely. And we should test
his ability to communicate effectively and courteously in a widely
used form of communication that can be understood by emergency
responders: voice.



Personally, instead of seeing this CODE argument going on forever and not
solving a damned thing, using the above post of the other necessities of
life - if you intend to get anywhere - let's argue - and understandably so
and more welcome than the code argument - why the classes are being dumbed
down for our kids! Around here, the schools are wanting to build near
professional sports arenas and I'm speaking "millions of dollars" - for the
"Football" games - to hell with the studies. They "used" to give you basic
supplies when you went to school, now you buy your own. The "School Board"
seats are more hotly contested than some of the "State and Local" government
seats. Yet the education level isn't improving.

I don't know about your area, but mine has two distinct tracks for
kids. Those that are headed for a college education receive various
levels of advanced classes based on ability (more or less). Those that
are on the vocational track receive math and english at a level to get
them past NCLB requirements and the equivalent of shop classes. The
stadiums are for the most part outdoor with bleachers looking over a
multipurpose playing field that has a running track around it. And
this is one of the higher income areas of the country.

I do agree that sports in high school and college can be taken to
absurd levels of importance. In many locations, especially urban ones
the high school is essentially a farm club for colleges which are a
farm club for major league sports. I would love to see the system
taken back several notches but there is too much money at stake for
that to happen.


No child left behind? Eh, not if they're foot ball players. IF NOT - they're
screwed.

Just my 2 cents.

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Radiosrfun wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
You know, CW may be obsolete, but having to learn the code instilled a
bit of discipline and sense of purpose in getting a ham license. Of
course things like mathematics, science and such that require mental
discipline are no longer politically correct so are generally not
required in education today because we certainly don't want to bruise
anyone's ego or tax their MTV indoctrinated brains. So, I guess the
code will have to go.

Frank
K3YAZ
Tucson


It isn't so much the "code" being removed which has dumbed it down, it
used
to be you "had" to know electronics to get a license. Blame it on the
Study
Guides which really don't teach ****.

Regarding testing for a ham license, I think that is a good idea. I
just think we should be testing for skills that show some ability by
the operator to set up and operate a rig safely. And we should test
his ability to communicate effectively and courteously in a widely
used form of communication that can be understood by emergency
responders: voice.



Personally, instead of seeing this CODE argument going on forever and not
solving a damned thing, using the above post of the other necessities of
life - if you intend to get anywhere - let's argue - and understandably
so
and more welcome than the code argument - why the classes are being
dumbed
down for our kids! Around here, the schools are wanting to build near
professional sports arenas and I'm speaking "millions of dollars" - for
the
"Football" games - to hell with the studies. They "used" to give you
basic
supplies when you went to school, now you buy your own. The "School
Board"
seats are more hotly contested than some of the "State and Local"
government
seats. Yet the education level isn't improving.

I don't know about your area, but mine has two distinct tracks for
kids. Those that are headed for a college education receive various
levels of advanced classes based on ability (more or less). Those that
are on the vocational track receive math and english at a level to get
them past NCLB requirements and the equivalent of shop classes. The
stadiums are for the most part outdoor with bleachers looking over a
multipurpose playing field that has a running track around it. And
this is one of the higher income areas of the country.

I do agree that sports in high school and college can be taken to
absurd levels of importance. In many locations, especially urban ones
the high school is essentially a farm club for colleges which are a
farm club for major league sports. I would love to see the system
taken back several notches but there is too much money at stake for
that to happen.


No child left behind? Eh, not if they're foot ball players. IF NOT -
they're
screwed.

Just my 2 cents.


Regarding the "education". They teach "some" college level prep classes. As
to those with lesser ambition/grades, they have "classes" - period. There is
"Vo Tech" - but you had to have a certain grade average to get in "there".
As to shop, one school I know of - sold all their shop equipment years ago -
that being the same school "I" went to and got my start in electronics
training. I've never heard much of other schools having "shop" class around
here. The "stadiums" at some of these schools here reach into the "millions"
of dollars, upping the taxes on all who live there. Those stadiums are
damned close to being equivalent to a "Pro" Field. Hell, our local "state"
University doesn't even match some of them. That is pathetic. Yes, kids need
sports to teach sportsmanship and competition, but come on - "EDUCATION"
being "reading, writing, arithmatic" and so on are more important. AND as I
said, they fight for school board seats hotter than some local and state
government races. It is "sickening".

They've eliminated the "Wood, Electronics, Metal (including welding) and
Electrical" shops here. Now, I realize "Electronics" may not be as hot to
some as it once was, but it still has value in our country. So too does
"Electrical" systems/wiring, "Welding", etc. Do we not need "skilled" labor
anymore? No wonder this country is going to hell. Pretty soon all other
countries will out smart us in every field. Those who were pushing "no child
left behind" - need to get things back on track for "develpment" of
"marketable" skills."
We're still going to need things wired, welded, soldered, electronics to
mainain the "cell phone craze" and so on.

I realize most parents are working and unlike the past - at least one parent
made sure we did our chores, studying and so on..... things have changed
dramatically. They need to change dramatically again. Get these kids
interested in something. Even computers seem to be falling out of grace with
a lot of them - aside from chatting. I guess they equate computers to
"work".