"zorba" wrote in message
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Abilene Reporter News

Abilene police and fire departments recently ditched an 18-year-old
dispatch system for a new $14 million system that has better
encryption capabilities and keeps many of the conversations people
using police scanners are accustomed to hearing off the air. Police
and fire officials began using the new system this month.

Copyright 2007, Abilene Reporter News. All Rights Reserved.

If the police can encrypt, then private citizens should be able to encrypt
with HAM radio, too. Oh? Oh? Don't like that, police? Then don't encrypt
your radio. There is something called "public records".

"Mindraker" wrote in message
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"zorba" wrote in message
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Abilene Reporter News

Abilene police and fire departments recently ditched an 18-year-old
dispatch system for a new $14 million system that has better
encryption capabilities and keeps many of the conversations people
using police scanners are accustomed to hearing off the air. Police
and fire officials began using the new system this month.

Copyright 2007, Abilene Reporter News. All Rights Reserved.

If the police can encrypt, then private citizens should be able to encrypt
with HAM radio, too. Oh? Oh? Don't like that, police? Then don't
encrypt your radio. There is something called "public records".

HORSE-****!!!
There are times that law enforcement NEED encrypted radios.
*YOU* are not entitled to their traffic. You do not have a need to know or a
right to know what is going on over police radio.If you are that interested,
the PD's "PIO" will disclose it to you when it's Ok to do so.
APCO-25 and GE's EDACS systems are NOT encrypted (they can order that
feature) but it's used to get more "Channels" or talk groups for an entire
city, makes for a more efficient system than having a frequency/repeater for
each dept.
Ma/Com's "OpenSky" system is ALL digital and you CAN NOT listen on that one.

Bottom line....if you can hear what is going on...chances are YOU DON'T NEED
TO!

On Fri, 18 May 2007 08:41:20 -0400, "Mindraker" wrote:


"zorba" wrote in message
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Abilene Reporter News

Abilene police and fire departments recently ditched an 18-year-old
dispatch system for a new $14 million system that has better
encryption capabilities and keeps many of the conversations people
using police scanners are accustomed to hearing off the air. Police
and fire officials began using the new system this month.

Copyright 2007, Abilene Reporter News. All Rights Reserved.

If the police can encrypt, then private citizens should be able to encrypt
with HAM radio, too. Oh? Oh? Don't like that, police? Then don't encrypt
your radio. There is something called "public records".


the times have changed and so have requirements for public service
radio systems. the FBI now requires ALL local police agencies that
use
NCIC ( all police departments nowadays ) to have their MDT style
systems encrypted. it's not optional , it's federal law. homeland
defense wants ALL police agency radios to be compatible with their
own encrypted national radio systems , in all departments nationwide.
it's not law yet, but it's in the works. they strongly feel that local
police should be encrypted to keep terrorists from eavesdropping.
their work is compromised if a local unencrypted police department
is revealing all their activities in an coordinated emergency
response event. ( that's their excuse anyway )

my local police departments have used 150mhz and 450 mhz
repeaters ( not trunked ) for a couple of decades. ALL local police
departments are deep into the process of switching to their already up
and running city wide wifi network for BOTH mdt data AND voice.
there is NO way to eavesdrop on encrypted wifi at the present time.

get used to it ..... change happens all the time and this is a strong
era of change for the scanning hobbyist. you will have to learn to
adapt to the change or just plain give up the hobby ( or what's left
of it ) ........ no one in the federal government and especially local
police departments cares if you think you have rights to listen in on
them or not. they never liked it in the old days and they are
gleeful that the time is coming that no one will be able to eavesdrop.
more and more, the police think it's them ( the boys in blue ) against
all the rest of us. citizens shouldn't be allowed to own guns and
citizens shouldn't be privileged to the inner workings of police
activities out in the streets. it's all for their own safety and
protection . I love scanning, but tell you the truth , they are
probably right ..........



k

"krackula " wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 08:41:20 -0400, "Mindraker" wrote:


"zorba" wrote in message
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Abilene Reporter News

Abilene police and fire departments recently ditched an 18-year-old
dispatch system for a new $14 million system that has better
encryption capabilities and keeps many of the conversations people
using police scanners are accustomed to hearing off the air. Police
and fire officials began using the new system this month.

Copyright 2007, Abilene Reporter News. All Rights Reserved.

If the police can encrypt, then private citizens should be able to encrypt
with HAM radio, too. Oh? Oh? Don't like that, police? Then don't
encrypt
your radio. There is something called "public records".


the times have changed and so have requirements for public service
radio systems. the FBI now requires ALL local police agencies that
use
NCIC ( all police departments nowadays ) to have their MDT style
systems encrypted. it's not optional , it's federal law. homeland
defense wants ALL police agency radios to be compatible with their
own encrypted national radio systems , in all departments nationwide.
it's not law yet, but it's in the works. they strongly feel that local
police should be encrypted to keep terrorists from eavesdropping.
their work is compromised if a local unencrypted police department
is revealing all their activities in an coordinated emergency
response event. ( that's their excuse anyway )

my local police departments have used 150mhz and 450 mhz
repeaters ( not trunked ) for a couple of decades. ALL local police
departments are deep into the process of switching to their already up
and running city wide wifi network for BOTH mdt data AND voice.
there is NO way to eavesdrop on encrypted wifi at the present time.

get used to it ..... change happens all the time and this is a strong
era of change for the scanning hobbyist. you will have to learn to
adapt to the change or just plain give up the hobby ( or what's left
of it ) ........ no one in the federal government and especially local
police departments cares if you think you have rights to listen in on
them or not. they never liked it in the old days and they are
gleeful that the time is coming that no one will be able to eavesdrop.
more and more, the police think it's them ( the boys in blue ) against
all the rest of us. citizens shouldn't be allowed to own guns and
citizens shouldn't be privileged to the inner workings of police
activities out in the streets. it's all for their own safety and
protection . I love scanning, but tell you the truth , they are
probably right ..........



k

This is ridiculous. Once again, police have a double standard. A nice
cover, too, in case they break the law. Sure, use the "in the name of
terrorism"-excuse, and they can do anything.
Arrgh!

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activities out in the streets. it's all for their own safety and
protection . I love scanning, but tell you the truth , they are
probably right ..........



k

This is ridiculous. Once again, police have a double standard. A nice
cover, too, in case they break the law. Sure, use the "in the name of
terrorism"-excuse, and they can do anything.
Arrgh!



well you're right on the level of experience that you probably
interact with the public and the police ...... but look at it from
their perspective. day in and day out , the police only have the
opportunity to interact with the bottom feeders, scum suckers , and
dregs of humanity. they hardly ever associate with or interact with
the average John Q Public .... to the police , nearly all people (
that aren't wearing blue ) that they see are human waste. people
are shooting them in the face for a traffic ticket stop , they are
ducking bullets or fists around every corner and up every block. sad
as it is, that's what this world has come to. neighborhoods are
riddled with registered sex offenders ( never mind the ones that
haven't been caught yet ) , cars are stolen by the 1000s from all
neighborhoods , car chases are rampant , bank robberies happen
all the time , murders are a daily thing ( more than one a day in
this part of the country ) and THATS only a small part of the story !

If I was a cop, I wouldn't want the possibility of the " perps "
having any " inside " information or radio tip offs any more than
possible. if that hacked off some general citizens or made them start
talking " police conspiracy " then I'd be tempted to say " bring that
hacked off citizen down here on the beat with the boys in blue and
duck a few bullets , chase a few bank robbers or sex offenders and see
what they thought about it all afterwards.

do you want the sex offenders to be able to monitor MDT and police
communications ? ...... what about the drug dealers and pimps , or
maybe the gang bangers while they invade your home or rape your wife
?? if YOU do it, you gotta let everyone do it as well .......
forget about the terrorists , homeland security is a WHOLE lot more in
jeopardy from home grown crime right here , all around us. think
it's so important for YOU to listen in that " all the perps " should
be able to as well ??

I wanna listen in , but I know it's for the best if NO ONE does. it's
like a lot of things in this world that the actions of a few have
screwed up things for the rest of us ..... trouble is there is WAY
more than a few bangers, rapists, murders, car thieves, and robbers
lurking out there these days .... WAY more than a few.

do cops screw up ?? .... sure they do ..... everyone does from time to
time ..... but think what your world would be like without them
........ think long and hard . they aren't perfect , but they work
24 hours a day to make our lives a little bit better and most do a
pretty go job in the process.

snipped .........

do you want the sex offenders to be able to monitor MDT and police
communications ? ...... what about the drug dealers and pimps , or
maybe the gang bangers while they invade your home or rape your wife
?? if YOU do it, you gotta let everyone do it as well .......
forget about the terrorists , homeland security is a WHOLE lot more in
jeopardy from home grown crime right here , all around us. think
it's so important for YOU to listen in that " all the perps " should
be able to as well ??

I wanna listen in , but I know it's for the best if NO ONE does. it's
like a lot of things in this world that the actions of a few have
screwed up things for the rest of us ..... trouble is there is WAY
more than a few bangers, rapists, murders, car thieves, and robbers
lurking out there these days .... WAY more than a few.

do cops screw up ?? .... sure they do ..... everyone does from time to
time ..... but think what your world would be like without them
....... think long and hard . they aren't perfect , but they work
24 hours a day to make our lives a little bit better and most do a
pretty go job in the process.


WoW ... after I reread this I realized that I thought I'd heard
something like this somewhere before ........ hummmmmmmm .......
Dummm De Dummmm Dummmm ....... in a minute the results
of that thought !!!


jf

"jkale" wrote in message
news

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activities out in the streets. it's all for their own safety and
protection . I love scanning, but tell you the truth , they are
probably right ..........



k

This is ridiculous. Once again, police have a double standard. A nice
cover, too, in case they break the law. Sure, use the "in the name of
terrorism"-excuse, and they can do anything.
Arrgh!



well you're right on the level of experience that you probably
interact with the public and the police ...... but look at it from
their perspective. day in and day out , the police only have the
opportunity to interact with the bottom feeders, scum suckers , and
dregs of humanity. they hardly ever associate with or interact with
the average John Q Public .... to the police , nearly all people (
that aren't wearing blue ) that they see are human waste. people
are shooting them in the face for a traffic ticket stop , they are
ducking bullets or fists around every corner and up every block. sad
as it is, that's what this world has come to. neighborhoods are
riddled with registered sex offenders ( never mind the ones that
haven't been caught yet ) , cars are stolen by the 1000s from all
neighborhoods , car chases are rampant , bank robberies happen
all the time , murders are a daily thing ( more than one a day in
this part of the country ) and THATS only a small part of the story !

If I was a cop, I wouldn't want the possibility of the " perps "
having any " inside " information or radio tip offs any more than
possible. if that hacked off some general citizens or made them start
talking " police conspiracy " then I'd be tempted to say " bring that
hacked off citizen down here on the beat with the boys in blue and
duck a few bullets , chase a few bank robbers or sex offenders and see
what they thought about it all afterwards.

do you want the sex offenders to be able to monitor MDT and police
communications ? ...... what about the drug dealers and pimps , or
maybe the gang bangers while they invade your home or rape your wife
?? if YOU do it, you gotta let everyone do it as well .......
forget about the terrorists , homeland security is a WHOLE lot more in
jeopardy from home grown crime right here , all around us. think
it's so important for YOU to listen in that " all the perps " should
be able to as well ??

I wanna listen in , but I know it's for the best if NO ONE does. it's
like a lot of things in this world that the actions of a few have
screwed up things for the rest of us ..... trouble is there is WAY
more than a few bangers, rapists, murders, car thieves, and robbers
lurking out there these days .... WAY more than a few.

do cops screw up ?? .... sure they do ..... everyone does from time to
time ..... but think what your world would be like without them
....... think long and hard . they aren't perfect , but they work
24 hours a day to make our lives a little bit better and most do a
pretty go job in the process.

You make some valid points there. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt
that you live in a city where police are actually fighting crime.
Unfortunately, in my city, the police are rather corrupt, partially not
their own fault, but because of my town's city council. I can't walk to
work without bumping into a drug dealer downtown begging me for
money/cigarettes/etc., but if I take a stroll in the ritzi white upper class
district, it is crawling with cops (the excuse is that they are doing "radar
training"). If you don't want people to talk "police conspiracy", show your
hand to the public, and don't hide.

do cops screw up ?? .... sure they do ..... everyone does from time to
time ..... but think what your world would be like without them
....... think long and hard . they aren't perfect , but they work
24 hours a day to make our lives a little bit better and most do a
pretty go job in the process.

You make some valid points there. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt
that you live in a city where police are actually fighting crime.
Unfortunately, in my city, the police are rather corrupt, partially not
their own fault, but because of my town's city council. I can't walk to
work without bumping into a drug dealer downtown begging me for
money/cigarettes/etc., but if I take a stroll in the ritzi white upper class
district, it is crawling with cops (the excuse is that they are doing "radar
training"). If you don't want people to talk "police conspiracy", show your
hand to the public, and don't hide.



ha ah a ..... it's kinda opposite what you see around here. I admit
that I do live in the north side ( upscale ) part of my town , but
this town is nationally famous for having the 2nd highest national
poverty rate ( 2nd to Cleveland , Ohio and this is California ) , it
has the highest car theft rate in the west , and the highest amount
of people out of work and not looking for employment ( about 237,000
people unemployed and not looking for work ) . more than 57% of the
town is latino and 17% asian , the rest mixed including whites.
it has an estimated 170,000 illegal immigrants living here as well.

the cops are thick as flies down in the less fortunate parts of town
but nearly invisible up here in the north side. I will say that I'm
impressed with them tho .... as I called them about someone in a
neighbor's yard a few weeks ago ( my neighbor that had lost his keys
and was trying to break into his own house ) ... and in less than 3
minutes there were 3 patrol cars and a helicopter here on scene.
people in the less fortunate parts of town complain they can't get a
cop to come for 1 to 2 hours and that ' we " get special treatment
...... perhaps I'm inclined to agree with those complaints as I
certainly got fast service when I called. this town has over 16,000
registered gang bangers and thousands more " associates " ....
and the local cops have waged " war " on gangs with full out
efforts to get rid of them.

cops get shot and killed around here quite frequently ( usually by
bank robbers and gang bangers ) and they have a very messy job in
these parts of the country. I wouldn't trade places with one of them
, no matter what the pay they receive. they earn every penny of it
........ the hard way.

"joe friday" wrote in message
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ha ah a ..... it's kinda opposite what you see around here. I admit
that I do live in the north side ( upscale ) part of my town , but
this town is nationally famous for having the 2nd highest national
poverty rate ( 2nd to Cleveland , Ohio and this is California ) , it
has the highest car theft rate in the west , and the highest amount
of people out of work and not looking for employment ( about 237,000
people unemployed and not looking for work ) . more than 57% of the
town is latino and 17% asian , the rest mixed including whites.
it has an estimated 170,000 illegal immigrants living here as well.

the cops are thick as flies down in the less fortunate parts of town
but nearly invisible up here in the north side. I will say that I'm
impressed with them tho .... as I called them about someone in a
neighbor's yard a few weeks ago ( my neighbor that had lost his keys
and was trying to break into his own house ) ... and in less than 3
minutes there were 3 patrol cars and a helicopter here on scene.
people in the less fortunate parts of town complain they can't get a
cop to come for 1 to 2 hours and that ' we " get special treatment
..... perhaps I'm inclined to agree with those complaints as I
certainly got fast service when I called. this town has over 16,000
registered gang bangers and thousands more " associates " ....
and the local cops have waged " war " on gangs with full out
efforts to get rid of them.

cops get shot and killed around here quite frequently ( usually by
bank robbers and gang bangers ) and they have a very messy job in
these parts of the country. I wouldn't trade places with one of them
, no matter what the pay they receive. they earn every penny of it
....... the hard way.

I live in the upscale part of town, too, but even then, I can't get a cop
even when I need one, unless they are raising funds. I had a pair of cops
come TO MY DOOR with the "fraternal order of police"-crap. I once waited
FOUR HOURS for a stray dog call, and finally brought the dog to the local
park ranger on foot (I can't drive). My friend had his van broken into, and
the answer from the police was "we're too busy".
Where do you live? I live in Asheville, NC.

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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 06:27:54 -0400, "Mindraker" wrote:

I live in the upscale part of town, too, but even then, I can't get a cop
even when I need one, unless they are raising funds. I had a pair of cops
come TO MY DOOR with the "fraternal order of police"-crap. I once waited
FOUR HOURS for a stray dog call, and finally brought the dog to the local
park ranger on foot (I can't drive). My friend had his van broken into,
and
the answer from the police was "we're too busy".
Where do you live? I live in Asheville, NC.


2 events that are hardly 911 calls. Stray dog, you should have called animal
control. If the robbers weren't there tearing the van open when you called.
it's just a cold case.

Who said we called 911?