Well put and accurate. Another thank you to the 1960s radicals that are now
tenured in our institutions of higher learning. Where the students can't
read and need a roadmap to find a history class.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Dyson" wrote in message
...
"Alexander S. Wood" wrote:

"John Dyson" wrote in message
...
"Alexander S. Wood" wrote:

"Dr. John" wrote in message
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Seems justifiable based on his past experience. Paranoia, meet
cynicism.

John


Given what I hear from the American contributors to this and other
NG's,
I'll be exercising a little "paranoia" of my own when I holiday in
your
fine
country later this year. We might be forgiven for getting the idea
that
possessing either off-white skin, a foreign passport, or failing to
wear
"I
love George Bush" T-Shirts in public places were all capital
offences.

It is worrisome when an 'I love George Bush' T-Shirt would cause
problems. That might SOMETIMES have a different meaning than
'I love Bill Clinton' also :-).

I didn't say wearing one would cause trouble - what I said was NOT
wearing
one when out in public would.

That is really a weird claim, and is the reason why I tried to interpret
it in the way that I did. Perhaps you should try to 'understand' the
situation instead of making such a wierd claim? I do fully understand
the extremely biased hate-mongering media, and also fully recognize that
the hate-mongering media is taking further advantage of the populace whose
education about America is mostly based upon Hollywood nonsense. It
would be good to avoid being fearful of a slight amount of American
patriotism. It is the Americans who are the victims of disinformation
that leads to observations like 'not wearing certain T-Shirts might
cause a certain problem.'

The true 'chauvinism' is that which is being perpetrated against the
US by the biased and dishonest media that misleads the non-US public
against the US. The US DEFINITELY has some faults, but a knowledge
base that comes from Hollywood and disgustingly misleading anti-US
press (and also anti-centrist/anti-rightwing) isn't really a knowledge
base, but is a stupidity base. Using a 'European' viewpoint when
interpreting US politics could lead to really wierd conclusions... For
example, the often Xenophobic European right-wing has little in
common with the majority of the US right-wing (which doesn't tend
to be as Xenophobic.)

John

did you offer them a donut?
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
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LOL !!

Dan/W4NTI

"Qdarts" wrote in message news:3ef67956_4@newsfeed...
Also don't wear your laundry on top of your head and you will be better
off!

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
...
Just don't speak French and you will do fine.

Dan/W4NTI

"Alexander S. Wood" wrote in
message
...

"Dr. John" wrote in message
...
Seems justifiable based on his past experience. Paranoia, meet
cynicism.

John


Given what I hear from the American contributors to this and other
NG's,
I'll be exercising a little "paranoia" of my own when I holiday in
your
fine
country later this year. We might be forgiven for getting the idea
that
possessing either off-white skin, a foreign passport, or failing to
wear
"I
love George Bush" T-Shirts in public places were all capital
offences.

UK readers should be assured that "real" Americans bear little
resemblance
to those heard loudest on these NG's. They're really quite human
friendly
folk. - Dunno about American cops though......

--
Alec Wood M1BNK
Teesside UK

Interested in Ham Radio....have a look at www.ukradioamateur.org

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
...
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote:

Well put and accurate. Another thank you to the
1960s radicals that are now tenured in our
institutions of higher learning. Where the students
can't read and need a roadmap to find a history class.


Sadly, since so many flunked geography (or didn't even take it because
so
few schools offer it anymore), a road map probably wouldn't help much
either.

Actually, John has an excellent point about the impression presented by
the media to those outside the United States. Because of crime and
violence
on television, surely criminals outside the country are convinced America
is
a criminal's dream come true - a place where false ID is easy to obtain,
where criminals can easily set up shop using fake business names, where
illegal guns are openly sold on the street, where drugs are sold on just
about every street corner, where few people report the criminal activities
they see, and where police are perhaps even criminals also.

It does make you wonder why so many really want to move to America.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


Can't argue with that a bit.

Dan/W4NTI

Dwight Stewart wrote:

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote:

Well put and accurate. Another thank you to the
1960s radicals that are now tenured in our
institutions of higher learning. Where the students
can't read and need a roadmap to find a history class.

Sadly, since so many flunked geography (or didn't even take it because so
few schools offer it anymore), a road map probably wouldn't help much
either.

Actually, John has an excellent point about the impression presented by
the media to those outside the United States. Because of crime and violence
on television, surely criminals outside the country are convinced America is
a criminal's dream come true - a place where false ID is easy to obtain,
where criminals can easily set up shop using fake business names, where
illegal guns are openly sold on the street, where drugs are sold on just
about every street corner, where few people report the criminal activities
they see, and where police are perhaps even criminals also.

The US has pockets of problems (mostly in cities that are managed by our
left wing -- which isn't really directly related to party per-se), but the
vast majority of America is quite tame. There is also a problem with
repeated, self-fulfilling victimhood that is damaging industriousness
and personal responsibility.

The pockets of problems in the US are quite different in many ways than
the problems in Europe (and elsewhere.) Interpreting the US with the
disinformation that is spewed by various ersatz-information sources, and
based upon the realities in Europe would lead to insanely incorrect
conclusions.

All too often, even in the US, with US news sources, the information is
overly sensationalized, and the size of various minor disasters and/or
difficulties are too often overblown. When true disasters or horrible
circumstances occur, then there is even a movement to 'manage' public
outrage or response. This tends to compress the public view of the
magnitude of 'news' items. Laci Peterson (for example) seems to get
as much news as the WTC attacks, even though the magnitude of the
individual acts aren't comparable.

John

"John Dyson" wrote:

The US has pockets of problems (mostly in cities
that are managed by our left wing -- which isn't
really directly related to party per-se), but the
vast majority of America is quite tame. (snip)


I don't know if I can agree with that, especially when looking at this
from a foreigner's perspective. While it is certainly true crime is far
lower outside the larger cities, the rest of America is hardly tame. For
example, I live in a small town (population about 15,000). There have been
41 murders in the last ten years, which is more than ten times the number of
murders in Heidelberg Germany during that same period - Heidelberg is a town
about ten times larger than this town.

I couldn't find a European town that even came close to matching the
number of murders in this town during that period (Heidelberg was picked as
an example above simply because I once lived there). Sadly, I found plenty
of small towns across America that far exceeded the crime numbers of similar
size towns in Europe.

With that in mind, while we may look tame compared to those living in some
very violent countries in the Middle East, Africa, and so on, America
probably looks totally out of control to those from much more tame countries
(and that includes America's smaller towns).

However, I do agree with your overall comments about the media's role in
hyping the problems here.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Regarding your portrayal by the media. You should note that we actually get
our impression not just from our own media, but from the US media too.

Our country's cable news channels carry programs such as "60 minutes" and
similar, and CNN is as inescapable as a cold virus in winter. I think every
European country carries a 24-7 CNN channel on cable.

Time for you, the US citizens to sort out your own media, or at least get
them to export something that portrays your country (and especially its
officialdom) as a little less xenophobic and a little less violent.

--
Alec Wood M1BNK
Teesside UK

Interested in Ham Radio....have a look at www.ukradioamateur.org

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
...
"John Dyson" wrote:

The US has pockets of problems (mostly in cities
that are managed by our left wing -- which isn't
really directly related to party per-se), but the
vast majority of America is quite tame. (snip)


I don't know if I can agree with that, especially when looking at this
from a foreigner's perspective. While it is certainly true crime is far
lower outside the larger cities, the rest of America is hardly tame. For
example, I live in a small town (population about 15,000). There have been
41 murders in the last ten years, which is more than ten times the number
of
murders in Heidelberg Germany during that same period - Heidelberg is a
town
about ten times larger than this town.

I couldn't find a European town that even came close to matching the
number of murders in this town during that period (Heidelberg was picked
as
an example above simply because I once lived there). Sadly, I found plenty
of small towns across America that far exceeded the crime numbers of
similar
size towns in Europe.

With that in mind, while we may look tame compared to those living in
some
very violent countries in the Middle East, Africa, and so on, America
probably looks totally out of control to those from much more tame
countries
(and that includes America's smaller towns).

However, I do agree with your overall comments about the media's role in
hyping the problems here.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/