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On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:20:34 -0400, "Lou" in
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On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 01:30:47 -0000, "Frank"
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^ Perhaps after a few incidences like that, the law makers will
^ ... pass some legislation to get you ... OFF the road and ON
^ the sidewalk where you belong.

Bicycles do not belong on the sidewalk, and in many cities it is
unlawful
to
ride them there. Everywhere I've been bicycles belong on the road and
are
required to follow motor vehicle laws.



They certainly belong on the sidewalk since they can't even come close
to the legal speed limit. Why do you think everyone hates them?
It's not because they look stupid, it's because they seem to enjoy
causing unsafe conditions on the roads!



Man you must have had a rotten childhood... to suggest such a thing.. The
man is RIGHT.. THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED ON THE SIDEWALK! THEY ARE TO FOLLOW
THE RULES OF THE ROAD AS ALL OTHER USERS. YOU MUST SUFFER FROM ROAD RAGE.
WOULD LOVE TO RIDE BEHIND YOU FOR A DAY TO WATCH YOUR HABITS. I BET THEY
WOULD SHOCK MOST.



My childhood was wonderful, I rode my bike on the sidewalk!
As for now, I drive approximately 150 miles a day and poses a safe driver
endorsement on my license, no tickets in over ten years!
None of that changes the fact a pack of morons on bikes going 10MPH on a
road designated for 50 MPH causes a safety issue for everyone involved!
Don't the rules of the road specify a MINIMUM speed?
Don't you feel 50 riders clogging an entire lane is a problem?
I personally love when some impatient ahole passes around them into
oncoming traffic..



Well you have a good driving record, that is great. Good for you. Minimum
speed for a bicycle? None exists. By "rules of the road", I meant with hand
signals, making turns using them, mirrors for safe viewing in rear,
traveling in same direction and so on. Even wearing a helmet now, since they
have been introduced in previous years. IF you ever see the pamphlets and
they have been printed in previous years regarding bicycle safety you would
know.

Bicycles have been a long standing part of our society among others. More so
than cars or trucks at some periods. I'm "NOT" advocating bicyclists to ride
like idiots on the roads. I'm saying they should do it safely and with the
"rules of the road".
The problem is, between unsafe cyclists, road rage by vehicle drivers and
such, we have a real problem.

To advocate what I've seen in here though, purposely running cyclists over
and so on, is UNCALLED FOR. That is nothing short of attempted homicide.
That won't correct a problem. It creates more. I've already spoken to one
gentleman in here regarding cycling.. I suggested that since he is involved
in some cycling organizations, that perhaps they put a push on for a renewed
sense of cycle safety. Will it happen? Maybe with some. When you take a
test for a drivers license, they try to drill it into you about safe use of
a vehicle. That doesn't stop some people from driving like idiots
afterwards. Same with bicycles. You can teach safe riding courses, it
doesn't mean all will comply. Best to start when they are in infancy riding
tricycles. Teach good habits and usually they'll be retained. IF those who
cycled would retain the rules of the road, they would fair better. I guess
too, that they must remember they are on a cycle. Around here, most - if on
the road - go to the side with oncoming traffic. BUT in some cases, it isn't
possible. They could hit a rut and have an accident, maybe even throwing
them into the path of the oncoming traffic.

Speaking of bikes on the sidewalks, at least around here, skateboards are
becoming a problem. Now, combine skate boards, bicycles, etc, and what room
is left for pedestrians to walk safely? NONE. Where do they go?? ON THE
ROAD. So, it is a big problem for all. Lawmakers in cities are between a
rock and a hard spot often. They want to try to protect all, but at the same
time not infringe on people's freedoms.. It isn't easy... try being in
"local" government. You try to pass something to keep kids from using
sidewalks in a reckless manner perhaps even to save them from injury, and
your hit with taking "away from the kids".
IT IS NOT EASY. SOME ONE ends up on the short end of the stick. It's a no
win situation - simply because KINDNESS and MUTUAL RESPECT do NOT exist
anymore.

Again, it takes courtesy and rules of the road by "ALL" who use the roads.
OR any other place for that matter. When this happens, as it used to be not
too awfully long ago, THEN and ONLY THEN can things run a bit smoother.

Lou

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On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 14:23:56 -0400, "Lou" in
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To Edna or whoever you are....


I "AM" a law maker here locally, and I'll tell you. SIDEWALKS are for
PEDESTRIANS. WE DO NOT ALLOW bicycles on our sidewalks.. SO WE ARE NOT ON
OUR DEAD ASSES. WE ARE DOING OUR JOBS. Bicycles being on the road, is
nothing new. It's been that way for YEARS. YOU need to get a life and
learn
how to deal with society. YOU are not the sole inhabitant here. IF you
can't
deal with that then you may want to consider seeking some therapy or
Prozac
or both. I'm sure glad you don't live here. I can just about imagine what
fun we would have. And I don't mean in the humorous way. Lou



So you want to beat me up for my opinion that you aholes
belong on the sidewalk, and not doing 5 - 10 MPH on a road designated
for 50 MPH?
I'll bet you do that in your car as well!
If anyone needs help, it is you guys who thinking creating an unsafe
traffic
situation FOR YOUR SOLE benefit is OK!
I guess bikers are just a bunch of folks who feel the world owes them
something.
Their are lots of designated bike routes for you guys that cars are exempt
from. Use them.

"I" am not beating you up for your opinion. You're entitled to it.. The
same as I am mine. See my previous post just filed. But first of all, "I" am
not an ASS HOLE. I don't think I bent that low in my reply to you... I
mentioned you may have had a miserable childhood, since you hate cycles so
much or so it seems. I thought maybe you were cheated out of one perhaps as
a child. I mentioned that it may be worth following you in a car, to view
your driving. You did sound as though you had a "road rage" type of aura.
NOTICE I'm NOT ACCUSING. But I NEVER - least not that I can see, called you
an ass hole or a derivative thereof. SO why the problem? Can't we be adults?
I'm merely pointing out MANY use our roads, they don't belong to any one
group. RULES OF THE ROAD APPLY TO ALL!

YOU have a point, you made it.. I'm sure there are "some" cyclists who
aren't keen to others road usage. I made mine in this post and previous.
Only when people again start to respect others and the rules for living
among others as they apply, then maybe we can get back to the business of
living in a "get a long society". Road Rage among car drivers is - at least
here, a bigger problem than cyclists. Take Motorcycles, many hate them too!
Buses, same thing. 18 wheelers.. EVERYONE has their pick of what they hate
on the road when it is in their way. People pull out in front of them, cut
them off, etc to try to save time or just because! Usually resulting in
injury or death. So, there are multiple problems when it comes to use of the
roads. WE MUST SHARE the road. It wasn't put there for any ONE person's
benefit. Furthermore, DRIVING IS A PRIVILEGE granted to you by the state
department of motor vehicles, it is not a God given right. WE ALL must earn
it. Some choose to ABUSE it.

The main thrust of my posts to start with is NO ONE has a right to advocate
HITTING cyclists to cause injury or death, just because they are on the
road. That is Attempted Homicide OR could even go to PREMEDITATED MURDER if
you "look" for doing those things. Doing that is down right preposterous.
There is no easy solution to the problem, it is one created by society and
will have to be corrected by society.

Getting back to the D.J. thing, telling others to "run cyclist's off the
road" or hit them as the case was. I'd hate to be in the drivers shoes when
he/she does that and injury or death results. You're plea will be what?
Guilty? Innocent, because someone told you to do it, it wasn't your idea?
Temporary insanity? WHAT? We're all born with a brain and a conscience. Just
because someone tells us to do something doesn't mean WE DO IT. I can hear
your lawyer or the judge OR the DA now... So, you killed this person because
some one told you to? IF you were standing on a bridge and they told you to
jump after them, would you???? Anyone following this D.J.'s "orders"
wouldn't have a chance in court. HE/SHE may be prosecuted for Accessory to
commit or some other charge, but the actual doer faces the stiffest penalty
I think (you had the option not to follow along).
AND FOR WHAT? HOW STUPID IS THAT?????? Reminds me of say the Jim Jones case
or some other where one man speaks and many gullibles follow him. USE YOUR
BRAIN that you were given by GOD to "THINK" with.

No, I'm not "beating you up for your opinion". I'm trying to show how silly
this all is.. WE ALL must live on this planet til we die. Things are getting
out of hand everywhere. It isn't "just" the cyclists. It's is others as
well. When we're lying in bed waiting for death to take us, these petty
arguments such as this, are so miniscule, you must wonder why they had to
begin anyway.
Surely, there are more important issues to argue especially to the higher
forms of government who DO have the powers to strip our rights and freedoms
OR at least get away with it. Try fighting for something more meaningful. If
nothing else, and you want to stay on the cyclists, follow through with your
local areas and try to get a movement going for safe cycling - surely SOME
could use it. Be an activist in the right way. The other way solves nothing.
An example is: bombing abortion clinics, its not going to present one's
cause (anti-abortion) in a positive light. You just can't go off half
cocked to present an issue. Use statistics if you can, to prove your case..
Present them, present alternatives (not hitting cyclists).. Try to change
things in a positive manner or at least a mutual solution if doable. ANY
THING is better than the ridiculous notion of "hitting cyclists" on purpose.
Lou

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Their are lots of designated bike routes for you guys that cars are exempt from. Use them.




Their are also designated road where bikes are exempt!!!

Burr

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Their are lots of designated bike routes for you guys that cars are
exempt from. Use them.




Their are also designated road where bikes are exempt!!!

Burr


Many areas are not so lucky to have specified riding/driving areas... Again,
the rules of the road apply to ALL.
Lou