MOTOROLA

TRUNKING INFORMATION

CREATED 11-14-95
@NEW INFO UPDATE 03-20-96
@NEW INFO UPDATE 1-8-97 NEXTELL CALLING
ADDL INFO UPDATE 5-19-97 NEXTEL LIMITED TOWER LIFE
REMAINING

SOME PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT
A: 800MHZ SCANNERS CAN RECIEVE TRUNKING CONVERSATIONS
B: TRUNKING IS NOT A FORM OF ENCRYPTION
C: IF A RADIO IS TRUNKING WITH A SYSTEM BUT NOT CAPABLE OF KEYING
IT UP
IT IS A SCANNER.


MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT MOTOROLAS TRUNKING SYSTEMS (PRIMARILY
CUSTOMER
INFO) IS KEPT IN ILLINOIS. TO ACCESS THIS INFORMATION YOU NEED TO CALL
THIER CUSTOMER SERVICE NUMBER 1-800-247-2346. TO START OF THE
CONVERSATION
YOU WOULD NEED TO SAY , HI THIS IS (JOE) FROM (ROCKFORD SVC CENTER) I
NEED
FLEET INFORMATION ON SYSTEM (1622) FLEET (301),I NEED TO KNOW FLEET
NAME
DATE OF ACTIVATION AND SUBFLEETS ACTIVE, PLEASE. -THERE ARE OTHER
APPROACHES
TO GETTING FLEET INFO-
@new info motorola has sold most of its 800mhz privacy plus systems
to
nextell communications as of 01-01-96 the nextell phone
#1800-969-2929
the software nextell uses is different than motorolas it is not as
free
flowing of information. it doesnt appear to be able to tell you
somethings
like positions of systems in radios it lists systems, there are other
things
i need to find out about it,also the 2 companys seem to have
tightened
theyre security on information.,IF YOU EVER CALL UP ASKING FOR SYSTEM
INFORMATION AND BEFORE THE PERSON CAN LOOK IT UP HIS OTHER PHONE
RINGS,
BE CAREFUL THERE IS A 90% CHANCE THE CALL IS BEING MONITORED BY
SECURITY
AND HE IS BEING TOLD ALL ABOUT HOW YOU CALL IN ASKING FOR THIS
INFORMATION
I SAY THANK YOU AND HANG UP RIGHT AWAY....(SOUNDS PARONOID? OR EVEN
STUPID?)
(IF YOU LISTEN TO THE BEGINNING OF THE CALL IT SAYS YOUR CALL MAY BE
MONITORED)
NEAR THE END OF MY CALLING MOTOROLA THIS HAPPENED TO ME 3 TIMES,THERE
WAS
ALSO A TIME WHEN I CALLED I ASKED A TRUE QUESTION ABOUT MY SERVICE,
HIS DESK PHONE RANG, HE SAID SIR, MY SUPERVISOR SAYS THAT YOU WILL
NEED
TO CALL NEXTELL FOR THAT INFORMATION.

(5-19-97) AS OF FEBUARY OF 1997 NEXTEL ANNOUNCED THAT THE DAYS OF
ITS
ANALOG TOWERS WERE NUMBERED, IN OTHER WORDS NEXTEL WANTS THE
FREQUENCYS
THAT THEESE ANALOG TOWERS USE AND RE USE THEM FOR THE NEW DIGITAL
TOWERS
THAT THEY WANT TO MOVE TO. THE MOTOROLA SYSTEMS WERE DESIGNED TO
OPPERATE
ON ANY NUMBER OF CHANNELS FROM 5 TO 20 SO NEXTEL WILL START
REDUCING
AVALABLE VOICE CHANNELS ON EACH TOWER AS NUMBWER OF USERS DECREASE
ON THE
TOWER, NEXTEL IS NOT ALLOWING ANY NEW CUSTOMERS ON THE SYSTEMS. AS
OF
FEBUARY 1997 WE HAVE HEARD RUMORS THAT THEY WILL SHUT DOWN MOST OF
THE
TOWERS IN 1 YEAR OR LESS BUT I HAVE NOT HAD ANY CONFIRMATION OF AN
EXACT
DATE BUT I CAN SAY THAT SYSTEM 1622 IS STILL HEAVILY LOADED SO I
KNOW THAT
NEXTEL IS MAKING A GOOD PROFIT FROM 1622.
NEXTEL SAYS IT WILL BE OFFERING USERS INCENTIVES TO TRADE IN THEIR
ANALOG
EQUPMENT FOR A GOOD DEAL ON THE NEW DIGITAL. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY
ADVERTISMENTS YET IN ANY OF MY BILLS YET. IT WILL BE A SAD DAY WHEN
THEESE
SYSTEMS GET SHUT DOWN....EACH ONE IS LIKE A FAMILY EACH WITH ITS
OWN
UNIQUE PERSONALITY,CHANNELS,USERS,SYSTEM ID. MOST OF THEESE SYSTEMS
HAVE BEEN IN OPPERATION FROM AROUND 1984. IF YOU LOOK AT THE
CONTROL
CHANNEL ORDER ON MOST OF THEM, THE LAST 4 DIGITS OF FREQUENCY ARE
THE SAME
THEESE CHANNELS WERE PICKED WHEN THE 800 MHZ BAND WAS SO UN CROWDED
THAT THEY HAD THAT CAPABILITY. I HAVE ALSO SEEN WHERE A COMPANY HAD
BEEN
A FAIRLY ORIGIONAL USER OF THE SYSTEMS IN AN AREA YEARS BACK AND
HAD
MULTIPLE SYSTEMS WITH THE SAME FLEET NUMBER ON EACH SYSTEM,IF YOU
THINK
ABOUT IT THE FLEETS WERE ASSIGNED WHEN ALL THE SYSTEMS WERE NEW IN
AN
AREA. NOW IF A PERSON WERE TO WANT MULTIPLE SYSTEMS TNEY MAY GET AN
ASSORTMENT OF FLEETS AMONG ALL THE SYSTEMS THEY WANT..EXAMPLE
FLEETS 101,200,30D,177,404.... ALL DIFERENT.

YOU CAN OBTAIN INFO IN DIFFERENT WAYS, THE KEYS TO ANY SYSTEM IS
FIRST, SYSTEM NUMBER EX. 1622 ROCKFORD 2. WITHOUT SYSTEM NUMBER YOU
CAN GET THE SYSTEM NUMBER WITH A SERIAL NO. FROM A RADIO ON THAT
SYSTEM.
WITH SYSTEM NUMBER YOU CAN GET FLEET INFORMATION BY NAME OF FLEET LIKE
SAY (I NEED TO FIND FLEET INFORMATION BY SYSTEM AND NAME, SYSTEM 1622
THE CUSTOMER NAME IS PEPSI-COLA ) THIS WILL YELD PEPSI-COLAS FLEET NO.
NO OF RADIOS PROGRAMED, NO. OF RADIOS ACTIVE,SERIALS FOR ALL PROGRAMED
RADIOS,NO.OF SUBFLEETS PROGRAMED AND ACTIVE,FLEET ACTIVATION DATE
LAST ACOUNT ACCESS(LAST TIME THEY TURNED A RADIO OR SUBFLEET ON OR OFF

IF YOU HAVE A SERIAL NO. YOU CAN GO THIS ROUTE,
(I NEED TO CHECK FLEET INFORMATION ON A RADIO, SERIAL NO. 626AMQ1134)
YOU THEN AN ASK WHAT SYSTEM(S) IS THE RADIO ON, WHAT FLEET(S)
SUBFLEET(S)
WHAT IS IN THE RADIO CHANEL SELECTOR POSITIONS, WHAT ITS CALLALERT ID
IS,
CALLALERT IS USED IN PRIVACY PLUS SYSTEMS FOR PAGING, IF YOU HAVE A
RADIO
ON THE SAME SYSTEM YOU CAN PAGE THAT RADIO, IF YOUR RADIO IS SET TO
UNLIMITED CALLALERT, EVEN IF THAT RADIO IS NOT IN YOUR FLEET! I DO IT
FOR
AMUSEMENT SOMETIMES.SOMETIMES ASK IF THERE IS ANY OTHER INFO ON THE
RADIO
COULD YELD SOMTHING NEW TO ASK FOR NEXT TIME YOU CHEK A SERIAL.

@new info (11-29-96)
BOB GAVE ME THE DEALER LINE TO NEXTEL, HE SAYS THEY GIVE HIM INFO
HASSLE FREE. THE DEALER NUMBER IS 1800-353-3888. GOOD LUCK!
CALL THE DEALER LINE SIMILAR TO THIS, HI I NEED SYSTEM INFORMATION
ON
ROCKFORD UTILITYS, SORRY I DONT HAVE THE ACCOUNT NUMBER HANDY. OK
SIR
LET ME CHECK,,,,, OK FOR YOUR REFRENCE THE ACCOUNT NUMBER IS
96048912
AND THEY ARE ON SYSTEM 0525 FLEET 605. YOU MAY THEN ASK, HOW MANY
UNITS
ARE ACTIVE. WELL SIR LET ME SEE,,,, I FIND 34 UNIT IDS(MEANS 34
UNITS)
OK THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP, BYE. THEY MASK WHO IS THIS IN THE
MIDDLE OF
THE CONVERSATION ,I SAY JOE FROM TCR THEY SAY OK.

@ADDL INFO (1-9-96)
YOU CAN CALL UP NEXTELLS DEALER LINE AND GET CONTROL CHANELS AND
CONNECT TONES ON SYSTEMS LIKE THIS.
HI THIS IS JOHN FROM COMCOAST I NEED CONTROL CHANELS AND
CONNECT TONES FOR SYSTEM 1622. ok sir ill be back in a
minute,,,,,,
ok sir here is your info,,,,,,, . IDF YOU ARE EVER ASKED WHY YOU
NEED THIS INFO SAY TH PROGRAM UP YOUR 2670 SERVICE MONITOR.

BOB SAYS THAT MOTOROLA MAKES A SERVICE MONITOR THAT IMMITATES A
TRUNKING CONTROLER THE MODEL IS 2670,HE SAYS IT USES A DATA CH.
IT ASSIGNS FREQUENCYS FOR DISPATCH AND PHONE, PRIVATE CALL
AND CALL ALERT. YOU CAN SET UP A SYSTEM ID AND FLEETS AS WELL AS
SUBFLEETS WITH UNIT IDS, THAT WAY YOU CAN TEST A RADIOS
FUNCTIONABILITY
ON A SYSTEM. WHAT THIS MEANS TO ME IS THAT IF YOU ARE EVER ASKED
WHY YOU NEED TRUNKING INFORMATION YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE PROGRAMING
UP YOUR 2670 AND IT REQUIRES THAT INFO!!!


YOU MAY,IN YOUR SURFING FOR INFO FIND A "SHARED FLEET".
TO MY KNOWLEDGE MOTOROLA ONLY USES THIS WHEN SEVERAL COMPANYS NEED TO
TALK TOGETHER, EXAMPLE SYSTEM 1622 FLEET 21B IS SHARED BY WASTE
MANAGEMENT AND
BATH FLOORS YOU CAN ASK (WICH SUBS ARE USED BY WASTE MGMT AND WIH BY
BAST FL..)
MOTOROLA WOULD SAY WASTE MGMT USES 1 2 3 4 6 7 AND BATH FLOORS USES 5
MOTOROLA MAY USE SHARING FLEETS TO FIT MORE USERS ON A SYSTEM IF THAT
SYSTEM
IS RUNNING OUT OF UNUSED OR INACTIVE FLEETS.

@NEW INFO MOTOROLA/NEXTELL DO SHARE FLEETS ON PACKED TOWERS, IN FEB
96
NEXTELL TOSSED A TOWING COMPANY ON MY PRIMARY FLEET,SUBFLEET 3
THEY DID NOT, ACORDING TO THIER INFO PROGRAM THE TOWING RADIOS FOR
MY SUBS 1,2
BESIDES MY FLEET IS NOT THIER PRIMARY ANYWAY, I THINK I HAVE HERD
THEM ON
THAT SUB 3, TWO TIMES JUST CALLING FOR ANOTHER UNIT, NO CONVERSATION
HAS
TAKEN PLACE, I USUALLY LISTEN ON FLEETWIDE SETTING WICH ALLOWS ME TO
HEAR ANY
ACTIVITY ON ANY SUBFLEETS ON MY FLEET (FLEETWIDE IS SOMTHING THE
DEALER
CAN PROGRAM IN THE RADIO, AT LEAST ON THE MTX-8000. IT IS CONSIDERED
AN
ADDL CHANNEL.) A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A PRIME SPOT FOR THEM TO DECIDE TO
SHARE
A FLEET IS IF YOU HAVE (JOES PLUMBING) USING FLEET 30E SUB 1
AND HE HAS ONLY BEEN USING SUB 1, HE HAS NEVER USED SUBS 2 OR 3
HE HAS HAD SERVICE FOR AROUND 2 YEARS, NEXTELL WOULD PROBABALLY SAY
THEY ARE GOING TO SHARE FLEET AND THROW SOMEONE ON SUB 2 OR 3.
REMBER THAT A COMPANY LESS THAN 16 RADIOS WHO HAS LESS THAN 3 SUBS
IS ON AN "A" SIZED FLEET.

MOTOROLA, FROM WHAT I HAVE FOUND WILL KEEP A FLEET INACTIVE FOR
AROUND
2.5 YEARS, OTHER FACTORS COULD BE LOADING(IF THE SYSTEM GETS LOTS OF
NEW
COMPANYS OFTEN)SAY JOE BLOW GETS A FEW MTX-8000'S ON SYSTEM 1622 FLEET
20F
ON 11-14-95. IN 6 MONTHS JOE HAS HIS SERVICE TURNED OFF FOR ALL
RADIOS.
SEVERAL THINGS CAN HAPPEN FROM HERE, IF JOE LEAVES THEM OFF FOR MORE
THAN
3 MONTHS JOE WILL PAY A RE SIGNUP FEE OF 50.00 (IN ROCKFORD AREA) BUT
THE FLEET
WILL STILL BE IN HIS NAME. SAY HE LEAVES THEM OFF FOR 3 YEARS,AND
MOTOROLA
HAS RE ASSIGNED THE FLEET,TWO THINGS HAPPEN, 1. TO YOUR BENIFIT,IF HE
SOLD
1 OR MORE OF THEM TO YOU YOU CAN NOW LISTEN TO THE NEW COMPANY, UNLESS
YOU
TRANSMIT WHEN THEY HAVE A FREQUENCY AND SAY ANYTHING, THEY DO NOT KNOW
THAT
YOUR RADIO IS PROGRAMED FOR THEIR COMPANY, OR THAT ANYONE IS
LISTENING.
BE SMART DONT KEY UP AND SAY ANYTHING! 2.MOTOROLA,WHEN THE FLEET WAS
REASSIGNED MAKES ALL RADIOS PROGRAMED FOR THAT FLEET BEFORE IT WAS
REASSIGNED
LIST ON THIER COMPUTERS WITH DUMMY FLEET INFO SUCH AS SYSTEM 4F3A
FLEET FFF
SO, IF YOU EVER LOOK UP A SERIAL AND IT COMES UP WITH DUMMY SYSTEM
INFO
(THE MOTOROLA PERSON SHOULD SAY THAT IT IS A DUMMY SYSTEM) THAT MEANS
THAT RADIO
PROBALLY IS LISTENING TO A NEW COMPANY, (READ THE RADIO TO FIND OUT
THE
ACTUAL FLEET AND SYSTEM INFO, OR ON TRAXARS AND MOSTARS ORIGINAL
PROGRAMING
FROM THE FACTORY IS ON A LABEL WITHIN THE RADIO COVER).

I THINK THAT MOTOROLA WILL DELETE FLEET NAME PRIOR TO REASSIGNMENT
SOME FLEETS COME UP AS DELETEED OR NOTHING, CHECK ON THEM OCASIONALLY
THERE MAY BE A COMPANY ON THEM. EXAMPLE SYSTEM 0129 FLEET 210 "DELETED
FLEET"

ANOTHER ODDITY I HAVE COME ACROSS IS A "ROAMER FLEET"
THIS IS A FLEET SET ASIDE FOR CUSTOMERS WHO USE RADIOS ONLY PROGRAMED
FOR
INTERCONECT, NO SUBFLEETS (MOTOROLA ADVISES ROAMER FLEETS CHANGE USERS
OFTEN)
EXAMPLE SYSTEM 0129 FLEET 10A "ROAMER FLEET"

@new info as of 3-10-96, nextell is using the subfleets on roamer
fleets
for companys,as well as phone use. IT MAY STILL LIST AS A ROAMER
FLEET BUT
THERE COULD BE AN ACTIVE BUSINESS USING ITS SUBFLEETS, IT APPEARS
MOTOROLA
AND NEXTELL HAVE A HARD TIME IDENTIFYING THE SUBLFEET USERS OF A
ROAMER
FLEET,THIS COULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO HIDE IF YOU EVER GET ASSIGNED A
ROAMER FLEET.



SEVERAL ANGLES I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT ARE , A RADIO MAY NOT KNOW
WHAT FREQUENCYS IT IS TO USE TO TALK OR LISTEN ON, IT MAY BE TOLD WHAT
FREQ. TO GO TO EVERY TIME IT IS GRANTED ACCESS TO THE SYSTEM. THE ONLY
FREQUENCYS THAT SEEM TO BE IMPORTANT TO THE RADIO ARE CONTROL
FREQUENCYS(DATAS).
EVEN THE OLD TRAXARS AMD MOSTARS, THE ONLY FREQUENCYS PRINTED ON THIER
LABELS
ARE CONTROL FREQUENCYS (DATAS).AND I HAVE SEEN MTX-810 SOFTWARE
THE ONLY FIELD FOR FREQUENCYS IS CONTROLS AND ONE FOR FAILSOFT, BUT NO
OTHER
KNOWN FREQS.
(11-25-96) THE ABOVE PARAGRAPH IS TRUE THE RADIO IS TOLD WHAT
FREQ TO GO
TO WHEN EVER YOU KEY UP. THE SYSTEM USES 3 DIGIT FCC IDENTIFIERS
FOR 500 FREQUENCYS SO INSTEAD OF THE SYSTEM SAYING, GO TO
FREQUENCY 864.4125 IT SAYS GO TO 235 , YOU CAN SEE IT TAKES LESS
DATA
TO SEND OUT THE INFORMATION USING THE FCC CODE OF THE FREQUENCY.
THE RADIOS KNOW THE FCC CODE TABLE .


(11-25-96) I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THE FLEETWIDE SETTING ON A
PRIVACY PLUS SYSTEM IS SUBFLEET 00 OF A PERTICULAR FLEET.
WICH MEANS IF YOU LISTEN TO SUBFLEET 00 OF A FLEET YOU WILL HEAR
ALL THE
SUBFLEET ACTIVITY ON A FLEET. (INFORMATION PROVIDED BY 315)

(11-29-96) ROBERT SAYS THAT HE THINKS THE SYSTEM ASSIGNS TWO
RADIOS TO
A TEMPORARY FLEET AND SUBFLEET WHEN THEY BOTH ENTER PRIVATE CALL
MODE
WICH MEANS IF YOU KNEW THE TEMP FLEET YOU COULD HEAR ALL PRIVATE
CALL
ACTIVITY (UNCONFIRMED)
(5-19-97)I HAVE CONFIRMED THRU LISTENING TO THE SYSTEM ALL
CALL
FLEET 000 SIZECODE Q THAT YOU HEAR ALL SYSTEM FLEET ACTIVITY
OF ANY FLEET ON THE SYSTEM (THE BEST TIME TO USE THIS FLEET TO
LISTEN
IS AT NIGHT WHEN THE SYSTEM IS IDLE!) BUT WHEN I LISTEN TO
THAT FLEET
WHEN THE SYSTEM IS IDLE AND KEY UP ON PRIVATECALL I DO NOT
HEAR
THE PRIVATECALL CARRIER ON THE FLEET 000 SIZE Q WICH MEANS
THAT
THE SYSTEM DOESNOT USE TEMPORARY FLEETS TO OPPERATE
PRIVATECALL.


(11-26-96) I HAVE FOUND A FORMULA FOR FIGURING OUT THE FLEET THAT
A
CALL ALERT IS USING IT WORKS TWO WAYS
IF YOU HAVE A FLEET AND YOU WANT TO KNOW ITS STANDARD CALL ALERTS
TAKE THE FLEET EX. 013 CONVERT IT TO DECIMAL THEN TIMES IT BY 16
THAT GIVES YOU THE STARTING CALL ALLERT FOR THAT FLEET, ADD 16 TO
THAT
AND THAT TELLS YOU THE LAST CALL ALERT IN THAT FLEET.
(5-19-97) I THINK THIS FORMULA ONLY WORKS FOR "A" SIZE FLEETS


IF YOU HAVE A CALL ALERT AND YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT ITS FLEET IS
TAKE THE CALL ALERT AND DIVIDE IT BY 16 THEN TAKE THE RESULT AND
CONVERT IT TO HEX THE RESULT WILL BE THE FLEET!


ROBERT THINKS THAT WHEN YOU PAGE A RADIO THAT THE SYSTEM CONVERTS
THE
PAGE TO A UNIT ID OF THE RADIO ON THE FLEET, IN OTHER WORDS YOU
CANT
BE PROGRAMED ON FLEET 100 AND SAY YOUR RADIO HAS CALL ID 000001
PROGRAMED
FOR THAT RADIO ON THAT FLEET BECAUSE WHEN YOU TRIED TO PAGE THAT
RADIO
THE SYSTEM WOULD PAGE FLEET 000 UNIT ID 001 (THIS WOULD BE TRUE
FOR
TYPE 1 SYSTEMS. POSSIBLY TYPE 2 OR 2I)
(5-19-97) THE ABOVE INFORMATION IS TRUE ABOUT TYPE 1.

Jack;
Thanks for filling us in on what happened to the Motorola trunking
systems
back in '97. There was a small 800 Mhz trunking system around southern, NH
with a security company and taxi company on it. The talk groups were so
lightly used and at different times of the day, following conversations
with a conventional 800 MHz radio was easy.

This 800 MHZ trunking system went dark, about 1990. It took several years
to find the taxi co. again.
So when they appeared with UHF antennas, the ones with a loading coil in
the middle, mounted on the taxi cabs. A search of the taxi allocation at
452 MHz showed there repeaterized operation. This repeater is shared
with a plumbing operation., and is licensed to a dealer in the next town
over. Also they appear to be using a non standard squelch tone. Never did
find where the security outfit went!
Jim

jack smith wrote:

MOTOROLA

TRUNKING INFORMATION

CREATED 11-14-95
@NEW INFO UPDATE 03-20-96
@NEW INFO UPDATE 1-8-97 NEXTELL CALLING
ADDL INFO UPDATE 5-19-97 NEXTEL LIMITED TOWER LIFE
REMAINING

SOME PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT
A: 800MHZ SCANNERS CAN RECIEVE TRUNKING CONVERSATIONS
B: TRUNKING IS NOT A FORM OF ENCRYPTION
C: IF A RADIO IS TRUNKING WITH A SYSTEM BUT NOT CAPABLE OF KEYING
IT UP
IT IS A SCANNER.

MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT MOTOROLAS TRUNKING SYSTEMS (PRIMARILY
CUSTOMER
INFO) IS KEPT IN ILLINOIS. TO ACCESS THIS INFORMATION YOU NEED TO CALL
THIER CUSTOMER SERVICE NUMBER 1-800-247-2346. TO START OF THE
CONVERSATION
YOU WOULD NEED TO SAY , HI THIS IS (JOE) FROM (ROCKFORD SVC CENTER) I
NEED
FLEET INFORMATION ON SYSTEM (1622) FLEET (301),I NEED TO KNOW FLEET
NAME
DATE OF ACTIVATION AND SUBFLEETS ACTIVE, PLEASE. -THERE ARE OTHER
APPROACHES
TO GETTING FLEET INFO-
@new info motorola has sold most of its 800mhz privacy plus systems
to
nextell communications as of 01-01-96 the nextell phone
#1800-969-2929
the software nextell uses is different than motorolas it is not as
free
flowing of information. it doesnt appear to be able to tell you
somethings
like positions of systems in radios it lists systems, there are other
things
i need to find out about it,also the 2 companys seem to have
tightened
theyre security on information.,IF YOU EVER CALL UP ASKING FOR SYSTEM
INFORMATION AND BEFORE THE PERSON CAN LOOK IT UP HIS OTHER PHONE
RINGS,
BE CAREFUL THERE IS A 90% CHANCE THE CALL IS BEING MONITORED BY
SECURITY
AND HE IS BEING TOLD ALL ABOUT HOW YOU CALL IN ASKING FOR THIS
INFORMATION
I SAY THANK YOU AND HANG UP RIGHT AWAY....(SOUNDS PARONOID? OR EVEN
STUPID?)
(IF YOU LISTEN TO THE BEGINNING OF THE CALL IT SAYS YOUR CALL MAY BE
MONITORED)
NEAR THE END OF MY CALLING MOTOROLA THIS HAPPENED TO ME 3 TIMES,THERE
WAS
ALSO A TIME WHEN I CALLED I ASKED A TRUE QUESTION ABOUT MY SERVICE,
HIS DESK PHONE RANG, HE SAID SIR, MY SUPERVISOR SAYS THAT YOU WILL
NEED
TO CALL NEXTELL FOR THAT INFORMATION.

(5-19-97) AS OF FEBUARY OF 1997 NEXTEL ANNOUNCED THAT THE DAYS OF
ITS
ANALOG TOWERS WERE NUMBERED, IN OTHER WORDS NEXTEL WANTS THE
FREQUENCYS
THAT THEESE ANALOG TOWERS USE AND RE USE THEM FOR THE NEW DIGITAL
TOWERS
THAT THEY WANT TO MOVE TO. THE MOTOROLA SYSTEMS WERE DESIGNED TO
OPPERATE
ON ANY NUMBER OF CHANNELS FROM 5 TO 20 SO NEXTEL WILL START
REDUCING
AVALABLE VOICE CHANNELS ON EACH TOWER AS NUMBWER OF USERS DECREASE
ON THE
TOWER, NEXTEL IS NOT ALLOWING ANY NEW CUSTOMERS ON THE SYSTEMS. AS
OF
FEBUARY 1997 WE HAVE HEARD RUMORS THAT THEY WILL SHUT DOWN MOST OF
THE
TOWERS IN 1 YEAR OR LESS BUT I HAVE NOT HAD ANY CONFIRMATION OF AN
EXACT
DATE BUT I CAN SAY THAT SYSTEM 1622 IS STILL HEAVILY LOADED SO I
KNOW THAT
NEXTEL IS MAKING A GOOD PROFIT FROM 1622.
NEXTEL SAYS IT WILL BE OFFERING USERS INCENTIVES TO TRADE IN THEIR
ANALOG
EQUPMENT FOR A GOOD DEAL ON THE NEW DIGITAL. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY
ADVERTISMENTS YET IN ANY OF MY BILLS YET. IT WILL BE A SAD DAY WHEN
THEESE
SYSTEMS GET SHUT DOWN....EACH ONE IS LIKE A FAMILY EACH WITH ITS
OWN
UNIQUE PERSONALITY,CHANNELS,USERS,SYSTEM ID. MOST OF THEESE SYSTEMS
HAVE BEEN IN OPPERATION FROM AROUND 1984. IF YOU LOOK AT THE
CONTROL
CHANNEL ORDER ON MOST OF THEM, THE LAST 4 DIGITS OF FREQUENCY ARE
THE SAME
THEESE CHANNELS WERE PICKED WHEN THE 800 MHZ BAND WAS SO UN CROWDED
THAT THEY HAD THAT CAPABILITY. I HAVE ALSO SEEN WHERE A COMPANY HAD
BEEN
A FAIRLY ORIGIONAL USER OF THE SYSTEMS IN AN AREA YEARS BACK AND
HAD
MULTIPLE SYSTEMS WITH THE SAME FLEET NUMBER ON EACH SYSTEM,IF YOU
THINK
ABOUT IT THE FLEETS WERE ASSIGNED WHEN ALL THE SYSTEMS WERE NEW IN
AN
AREA. NOW IF A PERSON WERE TO WANT MULTIPLE SYSTEMS TNEY MAY GET AN
ASSORTMENT OF FLEETS AMONG ALL THE SYSTEMS THEY WANT..EXAMPLE
FLEETS 101,200,30D,177,404.... ALL DIFERENT.

YOU CAN OBTAIN INFO IN DIFFERENT WAYS, THE KEYS TO ANY SYSTEM IS
FIRST, SYSTEM NUMBER EX. 1622 ROCKFORD 2. WITHOUT SYSTEM NUMBER YOU
CAN GET THE SYSTEM NUMBER WITH A SERIAL NO. FROM A RADIO ON THAT
SYSTEM.
WITH SYSTEM NUMBER YOU CAN GET FLEET INFORMATION BY NAME OF FLEET LIKE
SAY (I NEED TO FIND FLEET INFORMATION BY SYSTEM AND NAME, SYSTEM 1622
THE CUSTOMER NAME IS PEPSI-COLA ) THIS WILL YELD PEPSI-COLAS FLEET NO.
NO OF RADIOS PROGRAMED, NO. OF RADIOS ACTIVE,SERIALS FOR ALL PROGRAMED
RADIOS,NO.OF SUBFLEETS PROGRAMED AND ACTIVE,FLEET ACTIVATION DATE
LAST ACOUNT ACCESS(LAST TIME THEY TURNED A RADIO OR SUBFLEET ON OR OFF

IF YOU HAVE A SERIAL NO. YOU CAN GO THIS ROUTE,
(I NEED TO CHECK FLEET INFORMATION ON A RADIO, SERIAL NO. 626AMQ1134)
YOU THEN AN ASK WHAT SYSTEM(S) IS THE RADIO ON, WHAT FLEET(S)
SUBFLEET(S)
WHAT IS IN THE RADIO CHANEL SELECTOR POSITIONS, WHAT ITS CALLALERT ID
IS,
CALLALERT IS USED IN PRIVACY PLUS SYSTEMS FOR PAGING, IF YOU HAVE A
RADIO
ON THE SAME SYSTEM YOU CAN PAGE THAT RADIO, IF YOUR RADIO IS SET TO
UNLIMITED CALLALERT, EVEN IF THAT RADIO IS NOT IN YOUR FLEET! I DO IT
FOR
AMUSEMENT SOMETIMES.SOMETIMES ASK IF THERE IS ANY OTHER INFO ON THE
RADIO
COULD YELD SOMTHING NEW TO ASK FOR NEXT TIME YOU CHEK A SERIAL.

@new info (11-29-96)
BOB GAVE ME THE DEALER LINE TO NEXTEL, HE SAYS THEY GIVE HIM INFO
HASSLE FREE. THE DEALER NUMBER IS 1800-353-3888. GOOD LUCK!
CALL THE DEALER LINE SIMILAR TO THIS, HI I NEED SYSTEM INFORMATION
ON
ROCKFORD UTILITYS, SORRY I DONT HAVE THE ACCOUNT NUMBER HANDY. OK
SIR
LET ME CHECK,,,,, OK FOR YOUR REFRENCE THE ACCOUNT NUMBER IS
96048912
AND THEY ARE ON SYSTEM 0525 FLEET 605. YOU MAY THEN ASK, HOW MANY
UNITS
ARE ACTIVE. WELL SIR LET ME SEE,,,, I FIND 34 UNIT IDS(MEANS 34
UNITS)
OK THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP, BYE. THEY MASK WHO IS THIS IN THE
MIDDLE OF
THE CONVERSATION ,I SAY JOE FROM TCR THEY SAY OK.

@ADDL INFO (1-9-96)
YOU CAN CALL UP NEXTELLS DEALER LINE AND GET CONTROL CHANELS AND
CONNECT TONES ON SYSTEMS LIKE THIS.
HI THIS IS JOHN FROM COMCOAST I NEED CONTROL CHANELS AND
CONNECT TONES FOR SYSTEM 1622. ok sir ill be back in a
minute,,,,,,
ok sir here is your info,,,,,,, . IDF YOU ARE EVER ASKED WHY YOU
NEED THIS INFO SAY TH PROGRAM UP YOUR 2670 SERVICE MONITOR.

BOB SAYS THAT MOTOROLA MAKES A SERVICE MONITOR THAT IMMITATES A
TRUNKING CONTROLER THE MODEL IS 2670,HE SAYS IT USES A DATA CH.
IT ASSIGNS FREQUENCYS FOR DISPATCH AND PHONE, PRIVATE CALL
AND CALL ALERT. YOU CAN SET UP A SYSTEM ID AND FLEETS AS WELL AS
SUBFLEETS WITH UNIT IDS, THAT WAY YOU CAN TEST A RADIOS
FUNCTIONABILITY
ON A SYSTEM. WHAT THIS MEANS TO ME IS THAT IF YOU ARE EVER ASKED
WHY YOU NEED TRUNKING INFORMATION YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE PROGRAMING
UP YOUR 2670 AND IT REQUIRES THAT INFO!!!


YOU MAY,IN YOUR SURFING FOR INFO FIND A "SHARED FLEET".
TO MY KNOWLEDGE MOTOROLA ONLY USES THIS WHEN SEVERAL COMPANYS NEED TO
TALK TOGETHER, EXAMPLE SYSTEM 1622 FLEET 21B IS SHARED BY WASTE
MANAGEMENT AND
BATH FLOORS YOU CAN ASK (WICH SUBS ARE USED BY WASTE MGMT AND WIH BY
BAST FL..)
MOTOROLA WOULD SAY WASTE MGMT USES 1 2 3 4 6 7 AND BATH FLOORS USES 5
MOTOROLA MAY USE SHARING FLEETS TO FIT MORE USERS ON A SYSTEM IF THAT
SYSTEM
IS RUNNING OUT OF UNUSED OR INACTIVE FLEETS.

@NEW INFO MOTOROLA/NEXTELL DO SHARE FLEETS ON PACKED TOWERS, IN FEB
96
NEXTELL TOSSED A TOWING COMPANY ON MY PRIMARY FLEET,SUBFLEET 3
THEY DID NOT, ACORDING TO THIER INFO PROGRAM THE TOWING RADIOS FOR
MY SUBS 1,2
BESIDES MY FLEET IS NOT THIER PRIMARY ANYWAY, I THINK I HAVE HERD
THEM ON
THAT SUB 3, TWO TIMES JUST CALLING FOR ANOTHER UNIT, NO CONVERSATION
HAS
TAKEN PLACE, I USUALLY LISTEN ON FLEETWIDE SETTING WICH ALLOWS ME TO
HEAR ANY
ACTIVITY ON ANY SUBFLEETS ON MY FLEET (FLEETWIDE IS SOMTHING THE
DEALER
CAN PROGRAM IN THE RADIO, AT LEAST ON THE MTX-8000. IT IS CONSIDERED
AN
ADDL CHANNEL.) A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A PRIME SPOT FOR THEM TO DECIDE TO
SHARE
A FLEET IS IF YOU HAVE (JOES PLUMBING) USING FLEET 30E SUB 1
AND HE HAS ONLY BEEN USING SUB 1, HE HAS NEVER USED SUBS 2 OR 3
HE HAS HAD SERVICE FOR AROUND 2 YEARS, NEXTELL WOULD PROBABALLY SAY
THEY ARE GOING TO SHARE FLEET AND THROW SOMEONE ON SUB 2 OR 3.
REMBER THAT A COMPANY LESS THAN 16 RADIOS WHO HAS LESS THAN 3 SUBS
IS ON AN "A" SIZED FLEET.

MOTOROLA, FROM WHAT I HAVE FOUND WILL KEEP A FLEET INACTIVE FOR
AROUND
2.5 YEARS, OTHER FACTORS COULD BE LOADING(IF THE SYSTEM GETS LOTS OF
NEW
COMPANYS OFTEN)SAY JOE BLOW GETS A FEW MTX-8000'S ON SYSTEM 1622 FLEET
20F
ON 11-14-95. IN 6 MONTHS JOE HAS HIS SERVICE TURNED OFF FOR ALL
RADIOS.
SEVERAL THINGS CAN HAPPEN FROM HERE, IF JOE LEAVES THEM OFF FOR MORE
THAN
3 MONTHS JOE WILL PAY A RE SIGNUP FEE OF 50.00 (IN ROCKFORD AREA) BUT
THE FLEET
WILL STILL BE IN HIS NAME. SAY HE LEAVES THEM OFF FOR 3 YEARS,AND
MOTOROLA
HAS RE ASSIGNED THE FLEET,TWO THINGS HAPPEN, 1. TO YOUR BENIFIT,IF HE
SOLD
1 OR MORE OF THEM TO YOU YOU CAN NOW LISTEN TO THE NEW COMPANY, UNLESS
YOU
TRANSMIT WHEN THEY HAVE A FREQUENCY AND SAY ANYTHING, THEY DO NOT KNOW
THAT
YOUR RADIO IS PROGRAMED FOR THEIR COMPANY, OR THAT ANYONE IS
LISTENING.
BE SMART DONT KEY UP AND SAY ANYTHING! 2.MOTOROLA,WHEN THE FLEET WAS
REASSIGNED MAKES ALL RADIOS PROGRAMED FOR THAT FLEET BEFORE IT WAS
REASSIGNED
LIST ON THIER COMPUTERS WITH DUMMY FLEET INFO SUCH AS SYSTEM 4F3A
FLEET FFF
SO, IF YOU EVER LOOK UP A SERIAL AND IT COMES UP WITH DUMMY SYSTEM
INFO
(THE MOTOROLA PERSON SHOULD SAY THAT IT IS A DUMMY SYSTEM) THAT MEANS
THAT RADIO
PROBALLY IS LISTENING TO A NEW COMPANY, (READ THE RADIO TO FIND OUT
THE
ACTUAL FLEET AND SYSTEM INFO, OR ON TRAXARS AND MOSTARS ORIGINAL
PROGRAMING
FROM THE FACTORY IS ON A LABEL WITHIN THE RADIO COVER).

I THINK THAT MOTOROLA WILL DELETE FLEET NAME PRIOR TO REASSIGNMENT
SOME FLEETS COME UP AS DELETEED OR NOTHING, CHECK ON THEM OCASIONALLY
THERE MAY BE A COMPANY ON THEM. EXAMPLE SYSTEM 0129 FLEET 210 "DELETED
FLEET"

ANOTHER ODDITY I HAVE COME ACROSS IS A "ROAMER FLEET"
THIS IS A FLEET SET ASIDE FOR CUSTOMERS WHO USE RADIOS ONLY PROGRAMED
FOR
INTERCONECT, NO SUBFLEETS (MOTOROLA ADVISES ROAMER FLEETS CHANGE USERS
OFTEN)
EXAMPLE SYSTEM 0129 FLEET 10A "ROAMER FLEET"

@new info as of 3-10-96, nextell is using the subfleets on roamer
fleets
for companys,as well as phone use. IT MAY STILL LIST AS A ROAMER
FLEET BUT
THERE COULD BE AN ACTIVE BUSINESS USING ITS SUBFLEETS, IT APPEARS
MOTOROLA
AND NEXTELL HAVE A HARD TIME IDENTIFYING THE SUBLFEET USERS OF A
ROAMER
FLEET,THIS COULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO HIDE IF YOU EVER GET ASSIGNED A
ROAMER FLEET.


SEVERAL ANGLES I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT ARE , A RADIO MAY NOT KNOW
WHAT FREQUENCYS IT IS TO USE TO TALK OR LISTEN ON, IT MAY BE TOLD WHAT
FREQ. TO GO TO EVERY TIME IT IS GRANTED ACCESS TO THE SYSTEM. THE ONLY
FREQUENCYS THAT SEEM TO BE IMPORTANT TO THE RADIO ARE CONTROL
FREQUENCYS(DATAS).
EVEN THE OLD TRAXARS AMD MOSTARS, THE ONLY FREQUENCYS PRINTED ON THIER
LABELS
ARE CONTROL FREQUENCYS (DATAS).AND I HAVE SEEN MTX-810 SOFTWARE
THE ONLY FIELD FOR FREQUENCYS IS CONTROLS AND ONE FOR FAILSOFT, BUT NO
OTHER
KNOWN FREQS.
(11-25-96) THE ABOVE PARAGRAPH IS TRUE THE RADIO IS TOLD WHAT
FREQ TO GO
TO WHEN EVER YOU KEY UP. THE SYSTEM USES 3 DIGIT FCC IDENTIFIERS
FOR 500 FREQUENCYS SO INSTEAD OF THE SYSTEM SAYING, GO TO
FREQUENCY 864.4125 IT SAYS GO TO 235 , YOU CAN SEE IT TAKES LESS
DATA
TO SEND OUT THE INFORMATION USING THE FCC CODE OF THE FREQUENCY.
THE RADIOS KNOW THE FCC CODE TABLE .

(11-25-96) I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THE FLEETWIDE SETTING ON A
PRIVACY PLUS SYSTEM IS SUBFLEET 00 OF A PERTICULAR FLEET.
WICH MEANS IF YOU LISTEN TO SUBFLEET 00 OF A FLEET YOU WILL HEAR
ALL THE
SUBFLEET ACTIVITY ON A FLEET. (INFORMATION PROVIDED BY 315)

(11-29-96) ROBERT SAYS THAT HE THINKS THE SYSTEM ASSIGNS TWO
RADIOS TO
A TEMPORARY FLEET AND SUBFLEET WHEN THEY BOTH ENTER PRIVATE CALL
MODE
WICH MEANS IF YOU KNEW THE TEMP FLEET YOU COULD HEAR ALL PRIVATE
CALL
ACTIVITY (UNCONFIRMED)
(5-19-97)I HAVE CONFIRMED THRU LISTENING TO THE SYSTEM ALL
CALL
FLEET 000 SIZECODE Q THAT YOU HEAR ALL SYSTEM FLEET ACTIVITY
OF ANY FLEET ON THE SYSTEM (THE BEST TIME TO USE THIS FLEET TO
LISTEN
IS AT NIGHT WHEN THE SYSTEM IS IDLE!) BUT WHEN I LISTEN TO
THAT FLEET
WHEN THE SYSTEM IS IDLE AND KEY UP ON PRIVATECALL I DO NOT
HEAR
THE PRIVATECALL CARRIER ON THE FLEET 000 SIZE Q WICH MEANS
THAT
THE SYSTEM DOESNOT USE TEMPORARY FLEETS TO OPPERATE
PRIVATECALL.


(11-26-96) I HAVE FOUND A FORMULA FOR FIGURING OUT THE FLEET THAT
A
CALL ALERT IS USING IT WORKS TWO WAYS
IF YOU HAVE A FLEET AND YOU WANT TO KNOW ITS STANDARD CALL ALERTS
TAKE THE FLEET EX. 013 CONVERT IT TO DECIMAL THEN TIMES IT BY 16
THAT GIVES YOU THE STARTING CALL ALLERT FOR THAT FLEET, ADD 16 TO
THAT
AND THAT TELLS YOU THE LAST CALL ALERT IN THAT FLEET.
(5-19-97) I THINK THIS FORMULA ONLY WORKS FOR "A" SIZE FLEETS


IF YOU HAVE A CALL ALERT AND YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT ITS FLEET IS
TAKE THE CALL ALERT AND DIVIDE IT BY 16 THEN TAKE THE RESULT AND
CONVERT IT TO HEX THE RESULT WILL BE THE FLEET!


ROBERT THINKS THAT WHEN YOU PAGE A RADIO THAT THE SYSTEM CONVERTS
THE
PAGE TO A UNIT ID OF THE RADIO ON THE FLEET, IN OTHER WORDS YOU
CANT
BE PROGRAMED ON FLEET 100 AND SAY YOUR RADIO HAS CALL ID 000001
PROGRAMED
FOR THAT RADIO ON THAT FLEET BECAUSE WHEN YOU TRIED TO PAGE THAT
RADIO
THE SYSTEM WOULD PAGE FLEET 000 UNIT ID 001 (THIS WOULD BE TRUE
FOR
TYPE 1 SYSTEMS. POSSIBLY TYPE 2 OR 2I)
(5-19-97) THE ABOVE INFORMATION IS TRUE ABOUT TYPE 1.