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R. Steve Walz wrote:
wrote:

I have to laugh, I think Dave C. is a lawyer. The minute I remove
the
phones from my house because I can't trust my kids, then when there
is
an emergency and something happens to my minor child, I will be
considered an irresponsible parent because they can't call 911 and
I'll
be sued by my kid and the child welfare department. Where is the
common sense here. Parents are responsible for their minor childs
actions.....PERIOD. Parents, do what you must to keep your kids
safe!
----------------------------
You simply don't grasp this deeply enough.

Here's what parental responsibility ACTUALLY means! Actually: The
parent deserves everything their child decides to inflict upon them!!

And why?

Because the treatment of the child is wholly responsible for how
the child treats the parent and in fact wholly JUSTIFIES that same
treatment!!
YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE FROM YOUR KIDS! If you can't
trust them, YOU did it! If they hate you, YOU MADE THEM! If you
were unable to justify their love for you, then you deserve their
hate!! If you don't give them what you were supposed to, AND in a
mode and manner so that they WANTED TO RECEIVE AND ACCEPT IT, then
you DESERVE ALL the results!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You're wasting your time with this clown. He's a loon from
square 1, havent you seen the signs in the parks?? Dont feed the animals??
----- errrr I mean trolls.


Jeff


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"R. Steve Walz" wrote:

dragonlady wrote:

Nope, she was doing what was her RIGHT, and YOU simply didn't LIKE it!

She can't possibly "dishonor herself", that's YOU talking and making
judgements you don't even have a RIGHT to make.


and doing things that were dangerous.
-----------------
Her RIGHT, NOT YOURS!

I've seen what many pricks like you SAY is "dangerous", it being
anything that YOU don't happen to favor, nothing more! If you hadn't
been abusing her rights she'd have had no desire to do anything truly
dangerous. It is your dishonoring abuse of her equality that made her
want to take risks merely to contradict your overbearing attempts at
control!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Your're never going to make any points with this cretin,, dont waste
your time. He is a wacko from the word go.... A self made one at that.


Jeff


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wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:
wrote:

I have to laugh, I think Dave C. is a lawyer. The minute I remove
the
phones from my house because I can't trust my kids, then when there
is
an emergency and something happens to my minor child, I will be
considered an irresponsible parent because they can't call 911 and
I'll
be sued by my kid and the child welfare department. Where is the
common sense here. Parents are responsible for their minor childs
actions.....PERIOD. Parents, do what you must to keep your kids
safe!
----------------------------
You simply don't grasp this deeply enough.

Here's what parental responsibility ACTUALLY means! Actually: The
parent deserves everything their child decides to inflict upon them!!

And why?

Because the treatment of the child is wholly responsible for how
the child treats the parent and in fact wholly JUSTIFIES that same
treatment!!
YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE FROM YOUR KIDS! If you can't
trust them, YOU did it! If they hate you, YOU MADE THEM! If you
were unable to justify their love for you, then you deserve their
hate!! If you don't give them what you were supposed to, AND in a
mode and manner so that they WANTED TO RECEIVE AND ACCEPT IT, then
you DESERVE ALL the results!!

This, of course, assumes that children are fully functional, rational,
thinking people.
-----------------
They are indeed, every bit as much as any adult.
Reason is what humans do, they aren't capable of anything else.
What YOU might call them being illogical is merely a logic that
happens to be inconvenient to your agenda.


We, of course, know better than to assume something
as ridiculous as this.
------------------
You're not nobility, quit trying to speak for anyone but yourself.


Hell, there are many adults who don't fall into this category.
-------------------
Then we should definitely keep those people from abusing the rights
of their children.


The difference is, the adults that don't fall into this category are
(usually) held responsible for their actions,
--------------------
There's nothing whatsoever wrong with punishing crime, but a child
deciding other than YOU would prefer them decide does NOT amount to
an adult crime!!


where as the parent of
the child who falls into this category can be held responsible.
--------------------
If they assault or coerce a child they should be punished, just as
a child who assaults a parent who does not oppress them should be
punished. But when a child opposes their parents' oppression, that
is NOT crime, but VIRTUE!!


So since the parent can be held responsible, the parent should
have enough authority over the child to prevent such behavior.
----------------------
The parent is virtually never held to any responsibility for the
crimes of children. No one can be held responsible for any assault
on another than their own, and only if it is not justified violence
against oppression.
Steve

Da-man wrote:

---------------------------------
I don't have to be ominiscient to know alot more than you do.
Steve

Ya know, you sit there and type **** about people you don't even ****ing know.
-------------------
I know them, I read the **** their minds spew.


Derogatory things. I hope to hell you are sued out your ass for the
libelous - defamatory things you've said.
--------------------
Ain't any. Now you're being delusional.


The responses you have been
giving - derate any sort of professionalism you claim.
---------------------
I don't charge. Once again you're confabulating wildly.


YOU are acting on the
same scale you're putting those debating you - on.
-------------------------
Study english composition.


It sure must suck to be
you, because you're so full of it you must stink so bad no one can stand to
be around you.
---------------------
Blah blah, childish nonsense.


Some day - some one will knock you off your high horse.
---------------------
It won't be you, you're on your knees in ****.


I
didn't say throne, because the only throne you own is the white porcelain
one you park your ass on - trying to expel some of the stuff you're so full
of - but obviously constipated - by your head stuck up there.
-------------------
More immature blah-blah.


HOW DARE you act like some GOD and put people down you've never met or know
nothing about - as to how their children came up in life.
------------------------------
Simple, after studying people for over 50 years I know them by the
**** they spew.


In case you've not heard the news reports in past few years, there have been
quite a few teens - who've had the best of homes, end up dead or in jail -
why?
--------------------
Because the idiot writing the story asked their PARENTS, instead of
their child's friends and neighbors, OR THE KID. When it comes to
honest reportage as to the state of homelife, PARENTS PATHOLOGICALLY
LIE, LIE, LIE!!!

More than a century of recorded psychiatric interviews in the science
of penology has demonstrated that EVERY SINGLE PARENT OF A MASS
MURDERER THINKS THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG, and you can be deluded
into believing them if you stopped there and didn't ask anyone ELSE
who knew them, but once you DO IT BECOMES BLOODY ****ING OBVIOUS WHY
AND HOW THEY WARPED THE **** OUT OF THEIR KID!!!


BECAUSE - they went their own way - contrary to the goodness their
parents tried to instill in them.
---------------------------
Classic LIES to excuse abuse. All abusive authoritarians or wannabe
abusers say this kind of moronic ****, when every single systematic
and scientific approach to the psychology of parents and children
produces results that refute it. This is the kind of sick Xtian
mind-control crap they try to brainwash people with in sunday school,
to keep the collections coming in that pay their priests to anally
abuse more acolytes.


You obviously never heard of the drug
epidemic that kids get caught up in, the drinking and so on.
------------------------------
**** lady, we ****ing STARTED it! Except we were more interested
in the drugs that reveal the mind's deeper nature, like pot and acid.


PEER PRESSURE, NOT JUST BAD PARENTING can do it.
------------------------------
That's every bit as moronic as each parent believing that THEIR child
was corrupted by "those creeps he hangs around with", when ACTUALLY
HE'S THEIR DEALER!!

Abusive parents are what interests kids in altering their minds toward
unconsciousness, it's self-medication of the poor self-esteem that
this parental abuse CAUSES!!


For you not to acknowledge those facts,
------------------------
You HAVE NO "facts". You merely blather!


you are the one who is clueless. There are countless tales on TV and radio
of teens who've gone astray or died - due to their decisions.
-------------------
Which "decisions" they make because they are abused by their parents.


Decisions to get involved in things their parents had no clue of. WHY?
------------------------
Because their parents don't need to have a clue about drugs n order
to instigate drug abuse.


BECAUSE - those
"loving parents" as you say - trusted their children.
-----------------------------
They abused them and hoped for the best, you mean!!
They THOUGHT/WERE TOLD they were doing the best for their child by
abusing the **** out of them, but somehow it JUST DIDN'T WORK OUT!!

Why? Because kids are NOT like cattle, which can be steered left
and right with a cattle prod or a stick. When dishonored by being
coerced, threatened, belittled, controlled, kids turn and fight
back against the insult, even if they have to take their hands off
the "steering wheel" of their Life to do it!! The certain way to
cause a child to hate you and intentionally do the reverse of what
you want is to behave JUST LIKE YOU DO!


They could do no
wrong. Kids who had the best of homes. A GOOD HOME - does NOT guarantee a
GOOD KID.
--------------------
Ain't a "good home" then, that was just a LIE!


Get your head out of your ass for a change. Expel some of the crap
you're so full of. Open your eyes once wiped clean of the crappy film - blow
your nose of the fecal matter you inhaled, clean your throat - then take a
nice long look at and deep breath of "REALITY".
---------------------------
More immature blah-blah bull****.


Contrary to your "perfect" bringing up of kids, I've personally seen kids in
loving homes - trusted - end up in trouble.
------------------------
Then they weren't perfect, now were they!

The proof IS that they didn't do what WE did!


I've also seen many kids who's
asses were beat for doing wrong - like stealing or disrespecting their
elders/authority figures and grew up to be fine outstanding people - like
many of the older population can attest too. Ask some of them how many times
they were taken out behind the barn and had their asses tanned. They'll tell
you how much better off they are for it.
---------------
These aren't achievers, they are psychological cripples who secretly
hate the **** out of their lives and have no creativity or capacity
to love. Beating someone till they tell you what you want to hear
merely makes an ingrown secretive deceptive personality who play-acts
at everything their whole life and has no ethics. This is why many
more Rightist Xtians get caught in corruption and criminal scandals
than Leftists who were raised with acceptance. This is why the "red"
states have all the divorce and corruption, and the lowest divorce
rate is in MASSACHUSETTS!


Those who don't believe in
correcting a child, are the pussies in this society who are now reaping what
they sow - disobedient children.
-------------------
No, that's just a myth used to try to justify child-abuse.
Actually exactly the reverse is true, a child whose decisions
are accepted and who is loved for his independence loves you
back, and would never hurt you, while children you beat on will
kill you in your sleep and burn your house down, and good
riddance to you!

You Rightist clowns always claim crime is caused by "permissiveness",
but all the actual socialogical data proves that you're merely LYING!
Now why would you LIE about something like that? Here's why!: When
someone is beaten they will never feel adult and recover their inner
humilation until they get to beat on someone smaller than them so
as to attain the position their parents held, that of abuser, rather
than abusee!! This is the familiarpsychological phenomenon of cognitive
dissonance, ala the Stockholm Syndrome, where weak people who are
abused come to worship their abusers and seek to be just like them.

The whole criminal bully psychology comes FROM child abuse, it isn't
PREVENTED by it!


The same children who will tell their
parents, teachers, ministers, police officers and so on - to go ****
themselves.
----------------------
Only people who hate you tell you to **** your self.
Now just ask yourself WHY they hate you.
You abused them, that's why, there is NO other possible reason to
wish to abuse others back, if they have been nice to you!


They have NO respect for authority.
------------------------
There is no "authority", your kind are too stupid to deserve it,
and nobody with a brain who's not damaged even wants it.


The candy asses of this
country have placed them above any form of correction.
----------------------
If they've managed it they ain't so candy, now are they, you
little corn-hole.

All Free people do that, it's called rebellion against illicit
authority. Remember King George IV?


This isn't the "Leave
it to Beaver" or "Ozzie and Harriet" - age. I'm not saying kids need to be,
should be or deserve to be "abused", but they do NOT grow up trouble free -
without proper guidance and correction as needed.
------------------------
Ain't any "proper" or "correction", and no such "guidance" is needed.
The Majority of other cultures on earth totally do without anything
like that with respect to children.


You're suggesting that if
you treat your children right, they won't even need corrected. MAN, THAT IS
SOME CROCK....
----------------------
So lessee, because you're crippled from your childhood abuse, now
you don't even believe that you have the brains to treat someone
nice who treats YOU nice? I'll believe that because you're damaged,
but can you see why only a damaged person like you could ever believe
such crap??

Every child I've seen loved people who loved and respected him and
his wants as an equal. In fact that's all that children and other
people actually want, if they haven't been damaged by ****heads like
you, and that's to be nice to people who are nice to them!!!


IF you are the professional you say, obviously, you've missed
a few classes along the lines and shut your life off to the rest of the
world - to see what is REALLY going on. Used to be, kids in my school days
duked it out, got over it.
Today, they take bombs, guns and so on - to blow
half their class mates away.
-----------------
You just couldn't afford the guns and bombs, or you'd be the same.


I know "Preacher's" kids who were raised in a
loving home - end up in jail.
-------------------
That's because Xtianity preaches your kind of abusive crap, and it
abuses children. There are NO "loving" preacher's homes.


Strict Christian/Catholic kids going to
school - needing corrected for getting into trouble.
----------------------
The viciousness that Xtianity pumps into kids is abusive and
dishonoring. You pump that **** into anyone and they'kll be
damaged by it too!


THERE IS A SERIOUS
PROBLEM HERE! IT ISN'T ALL "JUST" THE PARENTS.
-------------------------
No, YOU just have a delusion that religion makes for a "good home",
when it does THE OPPOSITE!!!


It is sex,
---------------
There's nothing wrong with sex, kids should be having sex with their
friends at home in their rooms with their parents' blessings. MY kids
did!


drugs,
---------------
SOME drugs are GOOD for you!


etc. THIS -
THE COMPUTER - is a large part of the problem, what with cook books for
bombs available online and so on.
---------------------------
Nobody bombs anybody if they don't deserve it.
Abusing kids means deserving it.

The Computer is information that destroys the superstitions of stupid
Xtian Antisex and Capitalist Feudalistic enslavement.


Information which they'd never had before.
Sexual exploitation also.
--------------------
Nonsense, people need lots MORE sex, not less.
There is no "exploitation" of kids who are sexually informed.


Parenting is a key, but it isn't the only key.
There is more to this than meets the eye.
-------------------------
Yours.


You seriously need to open your eyes and mind up a lot more to see the
"reality" of this world. You're living in a clouded world. You claim to have
written chunks of books on the subject. CHUNKS? So you're not even a true
author in the sense of a complete book works?
--------------------------
Pro-writers write specific chapters and sections, very few books
today are written by solitary authors.


Your works are buried in with
someone else's? Tell us, was it points you've made being dispelled by those
truly in the know? Using your uh hem - examples of life according to you as
an example of what not to believe? Tell us, which books did you "help"
produce, so we may check the books to see if the credits list your name.
They DO list your name, right?
-------------------
My nom de plume. ;-

I do that to keep my private and public lives totally separate,
and so that ****heads like you can't interfere.


IF SO, let us see. IF you're the professional
you claim to be and did do the writing, you should be proud to have us know
about it. So, lets have it... Give us some book titles we can check out.
Show us your credentials. You're not ashamed of them are you? You shouldn't
be. Instead of cutting down on those you know nothing of, try defending your
own words for a change. DO as the saying goes. PUT UP OR SHUT UP. YOU are
the one claiming to have written on the subject and know it all. SO SHOW US.
PROVE IT. You CAN do it, right? Instead of condemning others here of being
abusive parents - people you know nothing about, show us what gives you your
right to claim your superiority.
----------------------------------
Writing books doesn't prove anything. Nor will I bother. I enjoy
having social effect without any responsibility.


The way you talk, you are probably the
founder of the "KIDS, REPORT YOUR PARENTS FOR CHILD ABUSE - IF THEY DON'T
GIVE YOU YOUR WAY" routine.
-----------------------
Gee, if I were, you'd have never heard of it yet.
Instead, it's the major social question of the age.


It is time for the parents to reclaim the home and the rule IN that home.
------------------
That was lost half a century ago, join the future.


As
long as that parent is paying the bills to keep that child clothed, fed,
medically cared for, that PARENT should be the one in charge.
-----------------------------
You owe your child that.
You don't get to push around those you OWE a debt!
If you don't like that, then don't have kids!


THEY should
have the final say - NOT THE KID. A child is too young to make informed
decisions.
DM
--------------------
Nonsense, they make most of them from the very beginning.
They learn by doing. Dishonor them and you cripple them.

You're an immature whiner who never learned to live with equals.

And if you try to prevent their autonomy, you'll just have
them knocking your ass out on the floor. Or you'll never see
your grandchildren or receive their help when you're old.

They'll be adults in your life a LOT longer than they'll be
kids, and they remember every slight!

Don't **** up your family!
Steve

Jeff wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" wrote:

dragonlady wrote:

Nope, she was doing what was her RIGHT, and YOU simply didn't LIKE it!

She can't possibly "dishonor herself", that's YOU talking and making
judgements you don't even have a RIGHT to make.


and doing things that were dangerous.
-----------------
Her RIGHT, NOT YOURS!

I've seen what many pricks like you SAY is "dangerous", it being
anything that YOU don't happen to favor, nothing more! If you hadn't
been abusing her rights she'd have had no desire to do anything truly
dangerous. It is your dishonoring abuse of her equality that made her
want to take risks merely to contradict your overbearing attempts at
control!


Your're never going to make any points with this cretin,, dont waste
your time. He is a wacko from the word go.... A self made one at that.

Jeff
-----------------------
You mean One you can't argue with successfully.
Steve

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
...
Da-man wrote:

---------------------------------
I don't have to be ominiscient to know alot more than you do.
Steve

Ya know, you sit there and type **** about people you don't even
****ing know.
-------------------
I know them, I read the **** their minds spew.


Derogatory things. I hope to hell you are sued out your ass for the
libelous - defamatory things you've said.
--------------------
Ain't any. Now you're being delusional.


The responses you have been
giving - derate any sort of professionalism you claim.
---------------------
I don't charge. Once again you're confabulating wildly.


YOU are acting on the
same scale you're putting those debating you - on.
-------------------------
Study english composition.


It sure must suck to be
you, because you're so full of it you must stink so bad no one can stand
to
be around you.
---------------------
Blah blah, childish nonsense.


Some day - some one will knock you off your high horse.
---------------------
It won't be you, you're on your knees in ****.


I
didn't say throne, because the only throne you own is the white porcelain
one you park your ass on - trying to expel some of the stuff you're so
full
of - but obviously constipated - by your head stuck up there.
-------------------
More immature blah-blah.


HOW DARE you act like some GOD and put people down you've never met or
know
nothing about - as to how their children came up in life.
------------------------------
Simple, after studying people for over 50 years I know them by the
**** they spew.


In case you've not heard the news reports in past few years, there have
been
quite a few teens - who've had the best of homes, end up dead or in
jail -
why?
--------------------
Because the idiot writing the story asked their PARENTS, instead of
their child's friends and neighbors, OR THE KID. When it comes to
honest reportage as to the state of homelife, PARENTS PATHOLOGICALLY
LIE, LIE, LIE!!!

More than a century of recorded psychiatric interviews in the science
of penology has demonstrated that EVERY SINGLE PARENT OF A MASS
MURDERER THINKS THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG, and you can be deluded
into believing them if you stopped there and didn't ask anyone ELSE
who knew them, but once you DO IT BECOMES BLOODY ****ING OBVIOUS WHY
AND HOW THEY WARPED THE **** OUT OF THEIR KID!!!


BECAUSE - they went their own way - contrary to the goodness their
parents tried to instill in them.
---------------------------
Classic LIES to excuse abuse. All abusive authoritarians or wannabe
abusers say this kind of moronic ****, when every single systematic
and scientific approach to the psychology of parents and children
produces results that refute it. This is the kind of sick Xtian
mind-control crap they try to brainwash people with in sunday school,
to keep the collections coming in that pay their priests to anally
abuse more acolytes.


You obviously never heard of the drug
epidemic that kids get caught up in, the drinking and so on.
------------------------------
**** lady, we ****ing STARTED it! Except we were more interested
in the drugs that reveal the mind's deeper nature, like pot and acid.


PEER PRESSURE, NOT JUST BAD PARENTING can do it.
------------------------------
That's every bit as moronic as each parent believing that THEIR child
was corrupted by "those creeps he hangs around with", when ACTUALLY
HE'S THEIR DEALER!!

Abusive parents are what interests kids in altering their minds toward
unconsciousness, it's self-medication of the poor self-esteem that
this parental abuse CAUSES!!


For you not to acknowledge those facts,
------------------------
You HAVE NO "facts". You merely blather!


you are the one who is clueless. There are countless tales on TV and
radio
of teens who've gone astray or died - due to their decisions.
-------------------
Which "decisions" they make because they are abused by their parents.


Decisions to get involved in things their parents had no clue of. WHY?
------------------------
Because their parents don't need to have a clue about drugs n order
to instigate drug abuse.


BECAUSE - those
"loving parents" as you say - trusted their children.
-----------------------------
They abused them and hoped for the best, you mean!!
They THOUGHT/WERE TOLD they were doing the best for their child by
abusing the **** out of them, but somehow it JUST DIDN'T WORK OUT!!

Why? Because kids are NOT like cattle, which can be steered left
and right with a cattle prod or a stick. When dishonored by being
coerced, threatened, belittled, controlled, kids turn and fight
back against the insult, even if they have to take their hands off
the "steering wheel" of their Life to do it!! The certain way to
cause a child to hate you and intentionally do the reverse of what
you want is to behave JUST LIKE YOU DO!


They could do no
wrong. Kids who had the best of homes. A GOOD HOME - does NOT guarantee a
GOOD KID.
--------------------
Ain't a "good home" then, that was just a LIE!


Get your head out of your ass for a change. Expel some of the crap
you're so full of. Open your eyes once wiped clean of the crappy film -
blow
your nose of the fecal matter you inhaled, clean your throat - then take
a
nice long look at and deep breath of "REALITY".
---------------------------
More immature blah-blah bull****.


Contrary to your "perfect" bringing up of kids, I've personally seen kids
in
loving homes - trusted - end up in trouble.
------------------------
Then they weren't perfect, now were they!

The proof IS that they didn't do what WE did!


I've also seen many kids who's
asses were beat for doing wrong - like stealing or disrespecting their
elders/authority figures and grew up to be fine outstanding people - like
many of the older population can attest too. Ask some of them how many
times
they were taken out behind the barn and had their asses tanned. They'll
tell
you how much better off they are for it.
---------------
These aren't achievers, they are psychological cripples who secretly
hate the **** out of their lives and have no creativity or capacity
to love. Beating someone till they tell you what you want to hear
merely makes an ingrown secretive deceptive personality who play-acts
at everything their whole life and has no ethics. This is why many
more Rightist Xtians get caught in corruption and criminal scandals
than Leftists who were raised with acceptance. This is why the "red"
states have all the divorce and corruption, and the lowest divorce
rate is in MASSACHUSETTS!


Those who don't believe in
correcting a child, are the pussies in this society who are now reaping
what
they sow - disobedient children.
-------------------
No, that's just a myth used to try to justify child-abuse.
Actually exactly the reverse is true, a child whose decisions
are accepted and who is loved for his independence loves you
back, and would never hurt you, while children you beat on will
kill you in your sleep and burn your house down, and good
riddance to you!

You Rightist clowns always claim crime is caused by "permissiveness",
but all the actual socialogical data proves that you're merely LYING!
Now why would you LIE about something like that? Here's why!: When
someone is beaten they will never feel adult and recover their inner
humilation until they get to beat on someone smaller than them so
as to attain the position their parents held, that of abuser, rather
than abusee!! This is the familiarpsychological phenomenon of cognitive
dissonance, ala the Stockholm Syndrome, where weak people who are
abused come to worship their abusers and seek to be just like them.

The whole criminal bully psychology comes FROM child abuse, it isn't
PREVENTED by it!


The same children who will tell their
parents, teachers, ministers, police officers and so on - to go ****
themselves.
----------------------
Only people who hate you tell you to **** your self.
Now just ask yourself WHY they hate you.
You abused them, that's why, there is NO other possible reason to
wish to abuse others back, if they have been nice to you!


They have NO respect for authority.
------------------------
There is no "authority", your kind are too stupid to deserve it,
and nobody with a brain who's not damaged even wants it.


The candy asses of this
country have placed them above any form of correction.
----------------------
If they've managed it they ain't so candy, now are they, you
little corn-hole.

All Free people do that, it's called rebellion against illicit
authority. Remember King George IV?


This isn't the "Leave
it to Beaver" or "Ozzie and Harriet" - age. I'm not saying kids need to
be,
should be or deserve to be "abused", but they do NOT grow up trouble
free -
without proper guidance and correction as needed.
------------------------
Ain't any "proper" or "correction", and no such "guidance" is needed.
The Majority of other cultures on earth totally do without anything
like that with respect to children.


You're suggesting that if
you treat your children right, they won't even need corrected. MAN, THAT
IS
SOME CROCK....
----------------------
So lessee, because you're crippled from your childhood abuse, now
you don't even believe that you have the brains to treat someone
nice who treats YOU nice? I'll believe that because you're damaged,
but can you see why only a damaged person like you could ever believe
such crap??

Every child I've seen loved people who loved and respected him and
his wants as an equal. In fact that's all that children and other
people actually want, if they haven't been damaged by ****heads like
you, and that's to be nice to people who are nice to them!!!


IF you are the professional you say, obviously, you've missed
a few classes along the lines and shut your life off to the rest of the
world - to see what is REALLY going on. Used to be, kids in my school
days
duked it out, got over it.
Today, they take bombs, guns and so on - to blow
half their class mates away.
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You just couldn't afford the guns and bombs, or you'd be the same.


I know "Preacher's" kids who were raised in a
loving home - end up in jail.
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That's because Xtianity preaches your kind of abusive crap, and it
abuses children. There are NO "loving" preacher's homes.


Strict Christian/Catholic kids going to
school - needing corrected for getting into trouble.
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The viciousness that Xtianity pumps into kids is abusive and
dishonoring. You pump that **** into anyone and they'kll be
damaged by it too!


THERE IS A SERIOUS
PROBLEM HERE! IT ISN'T ALL "JUST" THE PARENTS.
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No, YOU just have a delusion that religion makes for a "good home",
when it does THE OPPOSITE!!!


It is sex,
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There's nothing wrong with sex, kids should be having sex with their
friends at home in their rooms with their parents' blessings. MY kids
did!


drugs,
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SOME drugs are GOOD for you!


etc. THIS -
THE COMPUTER - is a large part of the problem, what with cook books for
bombs available online and so on.
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Nobody bombs anybody if they don't deserve it.
Abusing kids means deserving it.

The Computer is information that destroys the superstitions of stupid
Xtian Antisex and Capitalist Feudalistic enslavement.


Information which they'd never had before.
Sexual exploitation also.
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Nonsense, people need lots MORE sex, not less.
There is no "exploitation" of kids who are sexually informed.


Parenting is a key, but it isn't the only key.
There is more to this than meets the eye.
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Yours.


You seriously need to open your eyes and mind up a lot more to see the
"reality" of this world. You're living in a clouded world. You claim to
have
written chunks of books on the subject. CHUNKS? So you're not even a true
author in the sense of a complete book works?
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Pro-writers write specific chapters and sections, very few books
today are written by solitary authors.


Your works are buried in with
someone else's? Tell us, was it points you've made being dispelled by
those
truly in the know? Using your uh hem - examples of life according to you
as
an example of what not to believe? Tell us, which books did you "help"
produce, so we may check the books to see if the credits list your name.
They DO list your name, right?
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My nom de plume. ;-

I do that to keep my private and public lives totally separate,
and so that ****heads like you can't interfere.


IF SO, let us see. IF you're the professional
you claim to be and did do the writing, you should be proud to have us
know
about it. So, lets have it... Give us some book titles we can check out.
Show us your credentials. You're not ashamed of them are you? You
shouldn't
be. Instead of cutting down on those you know nothing of, try defending
your
own words for a change. DO as the saying goes. PUT UP OR SHUT UP. YOU are
the one claiming to have written on the subject and know it all. SO SHOW
US.
PROVE IT. You CAN do it, right? Instead of condemning others here of
being
abusive parents - people you know nothing about, show us what gives you
your
right to claim your superiority.
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Writing books doesn't prove anything. Nor will I bother. I enjoy
having social effect without any responsibility.


The way you talk, you are probably the
founder of the "KIDS, REPORT YOUR PARENTS FOR CHILD ABUSE - IF THEY
DON'T
GIVE YOU YOUR WAY" routine.
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Gee, if I were, you'd have never heard of it yet.
Instead, it's the major social question of the age.


It is time for the parents to reclaim the home and the rule IN that home.
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That was lost half a century ago, join the future.


As
long as that parent is paying the bills to keep that child clothed, fed,
medically cared for, that PARENT should be the one in charge.
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You owe your child that.
You don't get to push around those you OWE a debt!
If you don't like that, then don't have kids!


THEY should
have the final say - NOT THE KID. A child is too young to make informed
decisions.
DM
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Nonsense, they make most of them from the very beginning.
They learn by doing. Dishonor them and you cripple them.

You're an immature whiner who never learned to live with equals.

And if you try to prevent their autonomy, you'll just have
them knocking your ass out on the floor. Or you'll never see
your grandchildren or receive their help when you're old.

They'll be adults in your life a LOT longer than they'll be
kids, and they remember every slight!

Don't **** up your family!
Steve

Oh boy, I got your number now - numb nuts. Drugs are ok? Bombs are ok? AND
NO IDIOT - THE BOMBS WEREN'T MEANT FOR THE PARENTS, I'M TALKING FELLOW
SCHOOL STUDENTS. EVER HEAR OF COLUMBINE - ASS HOLE? MAN YOU ARE ONE SICK
MAN. NO BOOK TITLES to back up your claims. YOU just lost every ounce of
credibility.

Oh and as for proper English, you made a few slips yourself, so go ****
off.........

You are hereby PLONKED. You're not worth my time. I don't know what kind of
drugs you may be on, but that is one hell of a trip....... I hope you have a
safe landing.

DM

Sorry, if some duplication of previous post is included here.

There is a conflict of laws.
Mother listening to her child on the phone.
She overhead the friend or her was going to commit a crime.
By law (unless it your spouse) she has to report it or she would be
commenting a crime.

Other the mater of the State Law. Maybe she did violated here privacy
rights.

However, the State forgot to go by Federal Wiretapping Laws.
As long as one person is aware you are allowed to tape the
conversation. Just tell your kids. That you conversations will be
taped or listen too.

Federal Laws always overrides State Laws.

For your parents who don‘t allow kids the use the phone. Tell them
they can’t use the phone unless it is an emergency.


Greg R

"Da-man" wrote in message
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"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
...
Da-man wrote:



Oh boy, I got your number now - numb nuts. Drugs are ok? Bombs are ok? AND
NO IDIOT - THE BOMBS WEREN'T MEANT FOR THE PARENTS, I'M TALKING FELLOW
SCHOOL STUDENTS. EVER HEAR OF COLUMBINE - ASS HOLE? MAN YOU ARE ONE SICK
MAN. NO BOOK TITLES to back up your claims. YOU just lost every ounce of
credibility.

Oh and as for proper English, you made a few slips yourself, so go ****
off.........

You are hereby PLONKED. You're not worth my time. I don't know what kind of
drugs you may be on, but that is one hell of a trip....... I hope you have a
safe landing.

DM
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This guy is "seriously" whacked in the head. Its obvious he has a major anger
problem, along with the delusions of grandeur. He also seems(is) one of those who
believe quite simply whatever they "think" to be true,, is true. They call that delusional,
or even psychotic. Its scary that this idiot may have actually raised kids...... I also
find it interesting he has not answered your requests for "confirmed" contributions
to any serious publication and/or book............ Batman maybe, Pschology Today,
I dont think so,,,,, Dr. Spock he aint. (its a 50's - 60's) thing.


Jeff


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Da-man wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" wrote:

Nonsense, they make most of them from the very beginning.
They learn by doing. Dishonor them and you cripple them.

You're an immature whiner who never learned to live with equals.

And if you try to prevent their autonomy, you'll just have
them knocking your ass out on the floor. Or you'll never see
your grandchildren or receive their help when you're old.

They'll be adults in your life a LOT longer than they'll be
kids, and they remember every slight!

Don't **** up your family!
Steve

Oh boy, I got your number now - numb nuts.

Drugs are ok?
-----------
Some.


Bombs are ok?
------------
Some.


AND
NO IDIOT - THE BOMBS WEREN'T MEANT FOR THE PARENTS, I'M TALKING FELLOW
SCHOOL STUDENTS. EVER HEAR OF COLUMBINE - ASS HOLE?
-------------------
You're very confused by what you read.


MAN YOU ARE ONE SICK
MAN. NO BOOK TITLES to back up your claims. YOU just lost every ounce of
credibility.
----------------------
Lots of people write books, moron, where do you think they all come
from, hmmmm???? Don't tell me you worship book authors as Gawds!


Oh and as for proper English, you made a few slips yourself, so go ****
off.........
----------------
S'yeah right. Mine are typos, yours are because you're stupid.


You are hereby PLONKED. You're not worth my time. I don't know what kind of
drugs you may be on, but that is one hell of a trip....... I hope you have a
safe landing.
DM
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You're a poor desperate little **** who is now finding that he is
unable to express his badly thought-out ideas, just like all you
ignorant little pricks.
Steve

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
...
Da-man wrote:

Bombs are ok?
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Some.

So what bombs are ok genius?