"Lou" wrote in
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Hi Gang,

I know this isn't a "legal" group, but hear me out. We all know - there
have been laws passed in various states as to where scanners are allowed
and not allowed, particularly in motor vehicles - be they Ham operators
or not - unless involved with Police/Fire/EMS (you get the drift). So
far as I am still aware, PA is not included in any such laws. BUT - for
the sake of this question, I'm going to include PA in part of the
question.... SO here goes... and you - where ever you are, can tell me
what the laws are in your area as they may pertain to this subject so as
not to drag this out more than need be - as we know the scanner law
question has been beaten down many times in here in the past.
************************************************** ***********************
************ Though states may not allow "Mobile" scanners... do they
have in those same laws or any other laws, any thing that remotely
relates to a "hand held" scanner being carried - ESPECIALLY - on board
say - a "Transit" bus? Now, I know that "transit buses" have signs and
perhaps a policy - often loosely enforced, as to having radios and the
like (CD players and such) played so as not to disturb other passengers.
But is there any "LAWS" keeping a person from carrying a "scanner" on
board a bus? Oh, and I'm not referring to any laws which may cover if a
scanner were to be used in the course of a crime being committed. I'm
talking having one - in general.

I had a person tell me just today, a bus operator told them "A scanner
was illegal aboard a bus." The bus in question was in PA (the driver
didn't refer to PA specifically though), and I asked the party if they
had headphones on - they said yes. I know that most if not all the time,
IF headphones are worn, the radio or whatever is not brought into
question. I personally think the driver stepped WAY out of his league of
knowledge.

Your thoughts?????

Thanks,

Lou



Seems to me that the phrase 'mobile use of a scanner is prohibited' is
pretty self explanitory.

Yeah, it's self explanatory, so get a life, like that other guy said ...
r yu stewped?


"T-bone" wrote in message
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"Lou" wrote in
.verio.net:

Hi Gang,

I know this isn't a "legal" group, but hear me out. We all know - there
have been laws passed in various states as to where scanners are allowed
and not allowed, particularly in motor vehicles - be they Ham operators
or not - unless involved with Police/Fire/EMS (you get the drift). So
far as I am still aware, PA is not included in any such laws. BUT - for
the sake of this question, I'm going to include PA in part of the
question.... SO here goes... and you - where ever you are, can tell me
what the laws are in your area as they may pertain to this subject so as
not to drag this out more than need be - as we know the scanner law
question has been beaten down many times in here in the past.
************************************************** ***********************
************ Though states may not allow "Mobile" scanners... do they
have in those same laws or any other laws, any thing that remotely
relates to a "hand held" scanner being carried - ESPECIALLY - on board
say - a "Transit" bus? Now, I know that "transit buses" have signs and
perhaps a policy - often loosely enforced, as to having radios and the
like (CD players and such) played so as not to disturb other passengers.
But is there any "LAWS" keeping a person from carrying a "scanner" on
board a bus? Oh, and I'm not referring to any laws which may cover if a
scanner were to be used in the course of a crime being committed. I'm
talking having one - in general.

I had a person tell me just today, a bus operator told them "A scanner
was illegal aboard a bus." The bus in question was in PA (the driver
didn't refer to PA specifically though), and I asked the party if they
had headphones on - they said yes. I know that most if not all the time,
IF headphones are worn, the radio or whatever is not brought into
question. I personally think the driver stepped WAY out of his league of
knowledge.

Your thoughts?????

Thanks,

Lou



Seems to me that the phrase 'mobile use of a scanner is prohibited' is
pretty self explanitory.

"Jaddled Burf-Whummy" wrote in message
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Yeah, it's self explanatory, so get a life, like that other guy said ...
r yu stewped?


"T-bone" wrote in message
9.130...
"Lou" wrote in
.verio.net:

Hi Gang,

I know this isn't a "legal" group, but hear me out. We all know - there
Seems to me that the phrase 'mobile use of a scanner is prohibited' is
pretty self explanitory.



Such intelligent answers.... It is NOT self explanatory, as there are
usually exceptions to any law. Get a life? Stewped? WOW, I'm impressed. Such
intelligent answers. How about providing some factual answers. Must be bus
drivers like the one this person ran into. Scanners are sold to be used. So,
tell me, if YOU with the intelligent responses are "truly" scanner users -
were told you weren't allowed to be in possession of your scanners in
certain situations, you would just say "Oh, OK!" and give up? I doubt it.
Thanks for the help thus far. Sure hope you're as fortunate when you need
it.

L.

Such intelligent answers.... It is NOT self explanatory, as there are
usually exceptions to any law. Get a life? Stewped? WOW, I'm impressed.
Such intelligent answers. How about providing some factual answers. Must
be bus drivers like the one this person ran into. Scanners are sold to
be used. So, tell me, if YOU with the intelligent responses are "truly"
scanner users - were told you weren't allowed to be in possession of
your scanners in certain situations, you would just say "Oh, OK!" and
give up? I doubt it. Thanks for the help thus far. Sure hope you're as
fortunate when you need it.

L.



All righty - I'll try to break it down for ya.
Busses are considered a form of mobile transportation so .....
If you use a scanner on a bus, you are using a scanner mobily, which is
prohibited by law.
You can argue technicalities until your blue in the face, but that won't stop
a judge who goes by the letter of the law from confiscating your scanner, and
imposing fines.
And yes, the same would apply to a taxi,trolly or train - And even a bicycle.

"T-bone" wrote in message
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Such intelligent answers.... It is NOT self explanatory, as there are
usually exceptions to any law. Get a life? Stewped? WOW, I'm impressed.
Such intelligent answers. How about providing some factual answers. Must
be bus drivers like the one this person ran into. Scanners are sold to
be used. So, tell me, if YOU with the intelligent responses are "truly"
scanner users - were told you weren't allowed to be in possession of
your scanners in certain situations, you would just say "Oh, OK!" and
give up? I doubt it. Thanks for the help thus far. Sure hope you're as
fortunate when you need it.

L.



All righty - I'll try to break it down for ya.
Busses are considered a form of mobile transportation so .....
If you use a scanner on a bus, you are using a scanner mobily, which is
prohibited by law.
You can argue technicalities until your blue in the face, but that won't
stop
a judge who goes by the letter of the law from confiscating your scanner,
and
imposing fines.
And yes, the same would apply to a taxi,trolly or train - And even a
bicycle.

Ah, but ya see, in PA there is NO scanner law that I'm aware of - unless
one is in the works which again, I've not heard of... SO - I'm looking to
see if there are any "transit" issues relating to scanner use onboard - not
counting the fact headphones must be used to prevent disturbing others. So,
that statement doesn't apply to ALL. So, no - you've not broken anything
down. This driver made a statement, I want to see what others have
experienced to either back his claim or put a hole in his balloon in so far
as his claims (not for evidence). I still say he was off base. Airlines
don't allow them. I know that - due to RF issues mainly. Buses do not have
that issue. There are no "Transit" laws that I'm aware of that prohibits
scanner use (even with headphones) which is what I was asking if others had
similar problems - in states with or without Mobile Scanner laws. I can
understand they stop cars/trucks to check things out. Rarely if ever have I
heard of a bus being stopped to check all "passengers" for such items.
Perhaps you can argue the states with the Mobile Scanning laws, it would
apply.. Cool, I can accept that. But in those with no laws, sorry - it
doesn't wash. They have no basis for which to make such policies.

L.

"Lou" wrote in
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"T-bone" wrote in message
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Such intelligent answers.... It is NOT self explanatory, as there are
usually exceptions to any law. Get a life? Stewped? WOW, I'm
impressed. Such intelligent answers. How about providing some factual
answers. Must be bus drivers like the one this person ran into.
Scanners are sold to be used. So, tell me, if YOU with the intelligent
responses are "truly" scanner users - were told you weren't allowed to
be in possession of your scanners in certain situations, you would
just say "Oh, OK!" and give up? I doubt it. Thanks for the help thus
far. Sure hope you're as fortunate when you need it.

L.



All righty - I'll try to break it down for ya.
Busses are considered a form of mobile transportation so .....
If you use a scanner on a bus, you are using a scanner mobily, which is
prohibited by law.
You can argue technicalities until your blue in the face, but that
won't stop
a judge who goes by the letter of the law from confiscating your
scanner, and
imposing fines.
And yes, the same would apply to a taxi,trolly or train - And even a
bicycle.

Ah, but ya see, in PA there is NO scanner law that I'm aware of -
unless
one is in the works which again, I've not heard of... SO - I'm looking
to see if there are any "transit" issues relating to scanner use onboard
- not counting the fact headphones must be used to prevent disturbing
others. So, that statement doesn't apply to ALL. So, no - you've not
broken anything down. This driver made a statement, I want to see what
others have experienced to either back his claim or put a hole in his
balloon in so far as his claims (not for evidence). I still say he was
off base. Airlines don't allow them. I know that - due to RF issues
mainly. Buses do not have that issue. There are no "Transit" laws that
I'm aware of that prohibits scanner use (even with headphones) which is
what I was asking if others had similar problems - in states with or
without Mobile Scanner laws. I can understand they stop cars/trucks to
check things out. Rarely if ever have I heard of a bus being stopped to
check all "passengers" for such items. Perhaps you can argue the states
with the Mobile Scanning laws, it would apply.. Cool, I can accept that.
But in those with no laws, sorry - it doesn't wash. They have no basis
for which to make such policies.

L.

Well then if mobile use of a scanner is not illegal in PA, your likely in
the clear.
I have no interest in scanning laws in PA.
I'd suggest you call the transit authority to get a definitive answer.

"T-bone" wrote in message
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"Lou" wrote in
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"T-bone" wrote in message
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Well then if mobile use of a scanner is not illegal in PA, your likely in
the clear.
I have no interest in scanning laws in PA.
I'd suggest you call the transit authority to get a definitive answer.


With all due respect, now we're getting some where. Still puts me back to
the original question. I probably should have asked it in this way before -
Has anyone else had similar problems aboard transit systems - with or
without the applicable scanner laws. One or two have already given their
experiences. I guess those who do not reply on mass transit could really
give a **** less what the rules/laws/policies may be. Strange. I've seen
this issue debated up the ass about airplanes, but never buses or such.

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:59:12 GMT, "T-bone" wrote:

"Lou" wrote in
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"T-bone" wrote in message
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Such intelligent answers.... It is NOT self explanatory, as there are
usually exceptions to any law. Get a life? Stewped? WOW, I'm
impressed. Such intelligent answers. How about providing some factual
answers. Must be bus drivers like the one this person ran into.
Scanners are sold to be used. So, tell me, if YOU with the intelligent
responses are "truly" scanner users - were told you weren't allowed to
be in possession of your scanners in certain situations, you would
just say "Oh, OK!" and give up? I doubt it. Thanks for the help thus
far. Sure hope you're as fortunate when you need it.

L.



All righty - I'll try to break it down for ya.
Busses are considered a form of mobile transportation so .....
If you use a scanner on a bus, you are using a scanner mobily, which is
prohibited by law.
You can argue technicalities until your blue in the face, but that
won't stop
a judge who goes by the letter of the law from confiscating your
scanner, and
imposing fines.
And yes, the same would apply to a taxi,trolly or train - And even a
bicycle.

Ah, but ya see, in PA there is NO scanner law that I'm aware of -
unless
one is in the works which again, I've not heard of... SO - I'm looking
to see if there are any "transit" issues relating to scanner use onboard
- not counting the fact headphones must be used to prevent disturbing
others. So, that statement doesn't apply to ALL. So, no - you've not
broken anything down. This driver made a statement, I want to see what
others have experienced to either back his claim or put a hole in his
balloon in so far as his claims (not for evidence). I still say he was
off base. Airlines don't allow them. I know that - due to RF issues
mainly. Buses do not have that issue. There are no "Transit" laws that
I'm aware of that prohibits scanner use (even with headphones) which is
what I was asking if others had similar problems - in states with or
without Mobile Scanner laws. I can understand they stop cars/trucks to
check things out. Rarely if ever have I heard of a bus being stopped to
check all "passengers" for such items. Perhaps you can argue the states
with the Mobile Scanning laws, it would apply.. Cool, I can accept that.
But in those with no laws, sorry - it doesn't wash. They have no basis
for which to make such policies.

L.

Well then if mobile use of a scanner is not illegal in PA, your likely in
the clear.
I have no interest in scanning laws in PA.
I'd suggest you call the transit authority to get a definitive answer.


They're the last ones to call for an authorititive answer --
they'll tell you what they want you to do.

While policy does not have the force of law -- as in they
might not be able to have you arrested and tried for it -- they might
be able to deny you the use of the transit facility.

Many places have policies which will not stand up to a legal
challenge. Most obvious is the kind of thing where a drycleaner posts
a sign saying they can sell yor unclaimed garments for coste after
thirty days. In fact, most jurisdictions specify ninety days. If they
sell your stuff before ninety days, you can sue them for the value of
the clothes and prevail. They will point to the sign just to scare you
from making a claim, hence the name "in terrorem" clause.

Yeah, it's self explanatory, so get a life, like that other guy said ...
r yu stewped?

"Get a life" - This from a
If I need the opinion of an asshole, I'll just fart.