"Barry OGrady" wrote in message
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According to this FAQ, looks like the majority of the NON-Trunking
"regular"
SCANNERS don't have WFM... Perhaps you get your information from
some
other
planet?

http://www.strongsignals.net/access/content/model.html


According to your FAQ list most scanners do have WFM.
Only those too cheap to cover broadcast and TV don't have WFM.


Wideband Receivers DON'T COUNT. They are NOT "regular" scanners; matter of
fact, they are not scanners at all... There's a difference, but apparently
you're just too stupid to notice.

I'm done arguing with you dip-****s. If your heads weren't shoved so far up
your rectal cavities you might actually see that you really haven't a clue
at all...

I have two wireless phones and NO scanner can receive one is a frequency
hopper, using digital modulation that covers all of the 902-928 MHz band
five times a second, and the other one is a spreadsprectrum system, sounds
like noise when received on a analog receiver in the wide or narrow band
mode. In other words forget about receiving it.




"Jim" wrote in message
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Scan 902 to 904...

wrote in message
oups.com...
I know it is not legal but can a regular scanner that covers 900 mhz
listen to cordless phone conversations?

Secure unless someone has a base station that uses an identical chipset
and forces it into receive mode. This does require some tinkering, but
it can be done. Don't kid yourself, the FHSS and DSSS technology used by
cordless phone manufacturers are not designed for security, they are
just basic chipsets with a minimum of support components. And the
advertised 64 bazillion security codes have nothing to do with the
sequence, it's only for the off hook negotiation (aka: line seizure) and
ring triggering on an inbound call. Remember, a lot of those SS units
still have a 'channel' button, and there's only 10 to 25 'channels' on
these things. That would point to a limit of 10 to 25 spread patterns.
Splurge the $19 at Target and buy a popular unit and dig into it,
there's not a lot in there.

B.



SteveJ wrote:
I have two wireless phones and NO scanner can receive one is a frequency
hopper, using digital modulation that covers all of the 902-928 MHz band
five times a second, and the other one is a spreadsprectrum system, sounds
like noise when received on a analog receiver in the wide or narrow band
mode. In other words forget about receiving it.




"Jim" wrote in message
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Scan 902 to 904...

wrote in message
groups.com...

I know it is not legal but can a regular scanner that covers 900 mhz
listen to cordless phone conversations?

My point is a scanner would not pick them up this waas the topic.

"bob" wrote in message
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Secure unless someone has a base station that uses an identical chipset
and forces it into receive mode. This does require some tinkering, but it
can be done. Don't kid yourself, the FHSS and DSSS technology used by
cordless phone manufacturers are not designed for security, they are just
basic chipsets with a minimum of support components. And the advertised 64
bazillion security codes have nothing to do with the sequence, it's only
for the off hook negotiation (aka: line seizure) and ring triggering on an
inbound call. Remember, a lot of those SS units still have a 'channel'
button, and there's only 10 to 25 'channels' on these things. That would
point to a limit of 10 to 25 spread patterns. Splurge the $19 at Target
and buy a popular unit and dig into it, there's not a lot in there.

B.



SteveJ wrote:
I have two wireless phones and NO scanner can receive one is a frequency
hopper, using digital modulation that covers all of the 902-928 MHz band
five times a second, and the other one is a spreadsprectrum system,
sounds like noise when received on a analog receiver in the wide or
narrow band mode. In other words forget about receiving it.




"Jim" wrote in message
...

Scan 902 to 904...

wrote in message
egroups.com...

I know it is not legal but can a regular scanner that covers 900 mhz
listen to cordless phone conversations?

"PowerHouse Communications" wrote in message
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"Matt" wrote in message
What FAQ??

Sorry, forgot the URL:
http://www.strongsignals.net/access/content/model.html

Interesting URL - thanks for the reference.

Perhaps your should inform those guys over at Strong Signals that their
Scanner FAQ is incorrect, or better yet, the guys over at Uniden. I'm
sure
they would be interested to know how you ended up with version of their
scanners that have a feature that was never designed into the unit to
start
with. Must be by some miracle that your two Uniden scanners have WFM.
How
did you manage to modify them to get it? I'd bet the rest of the world
would LOVE to know. I'm sure that it would certainly become a pretty
popular mod.

Ooops, appologies I was wrong. Most of my radio gear is in storage as I am
moving house at the moment so was unable to check and posted blind - me bad.

Maybe 20 to 30 years ago, WFM was not available in most scanners, but as
BOG
has said, (and I hate to back him up, but here I must), very few
scanners
don't have WFM.

BOG is as much uninformed as your are. You both need to research what
your
talking about, because neither has a clue... Just to satisfy the
ignorant,
I did some research on the current listing of scanners over at the Uniden
site... As suspected, NONE of the "regular" scanners have WFM. Matter of
fact, even a number of the Trunk-tracking scanners do not have WFM. Only
the more recent HIGHER-END scanners come with WFM.

Fair point - should have looked before I opened my mouth.

Of the 24 scanners listed on the site, a measly 5 come with WFM... So, I
think the statements that both of you made are backwards, they should have
read, "...very few scanners [DO] have WFM.

Perhaps you could advise which new scanners do not?

Inform you, sure... The 5 listed on Uniden's site that DO HAVE WFM a
BC796D, BC785D, BC780XLT, BC296D, BC250D - THAT's IT!

Which ones DON'T? The other 19 of course, which includes MANY new models:
BC246T, BC72XLT, BC895XLT, BC898T, BC92XLT, SC230, BCT8, BCT7, BC350A,
BC350C, BC80XLT, BC60XLT-1, SC200, SC180B, BC278CLT, BC248CLT, BC245XLT,
BC244CLT, BC120XLT

In the future, maybe it would be advisable for the two of you to do some
more research before you start typing and spreading falsities all over
UseNET...

Yes it was, and you are correct; no consumer grade scanner has any chance of
rendering intelligible signals from a DSSS nor FHSS cordless phone.

[On a side note: There are some high end units (most AOR scanners, or some
Alinco units, for example) that will receive wideband and narrowband F3
transmissions. In my experience, most RatShack stuff gets pretty deaf as you
approach 1Ghz. The same goes for the Alinco DJ-X10, at 1Ghz and above it's
more or less useless, at 1.4Ghz, forget it, the input sensitivity approaches
the one volt mark. Nice scanner for the lower bands, lots of useful
features, but practically useless in the Ghz range.]




My point is a scanner would not pick them up this was the topic.



"bob" wrote in message
.. .
Secure unless someone has a base station that uses an identical chipset
and forces it into receive mode. This does require some tinkering, but it
can be done. Don't kid yourself, the FHSS and DSSS technology used by
cordless phone manufacturers are not designed for security, they are just
basic chipsets with a minimum of support components. And the advertised 64
bazillion security codes have nothing to do with the sequence, it's only
for the off hook negotiation (aka: line seizure) and ring triggering on an
inbound call. Remember, a lot of those SS units still have a 'channel'
button, and there's only 10 to 25 'channels' on these things. That would
point to a limit of 10 to 25 spread patterns. Splurge the $19 at Target
and buy a popular unit and dig into it, there's not a lot in there.

B.

2.4 GHz phones probably more commonly use digital modulation.
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When I was at Best Buy recently, they had a LOT of different me of 2.4
GHZ corless phones. and everyone of them was analog!!!!!!

they even speciicy said analog on the actual boxes and signs.

The one 2.4 GHZ model they had that did say "digital" turned out to be
analog. The stated "digital" was referring to the built-in answering
system being digital, not the regular converstations.

I did see a few digital 2.4 GHZ cordless phones at Wal-Mart, but even
most of the 2.4 GHZ ones there were analog.

so most 2.4ghz models are indeed analog.

Now the 5 GHZ cordless phones I've seen both places ( I think 5.8 GHZ,
although I might be off on frequency on these ones) did indeed say
digital on almost everyone of them I saw if not on everyone I saw.

I must live in an area where they only sell WFM phones then... About a
year ago, when I did some listening in, there were VERY FEW, (like maybe
2) that I could actually receive, the rest were unintelligable as they
were in WFM (Over 95% I'd guess). You must live in one of those
"odd-ball" areas that only sell NFM analog 900Mhz phones. Good for you.
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where I am, most of the 900 MHZ cordless phones are narrow FM. And his
area seems to be the same.

So I would say that it's your area that seems to be the oddball area,
selling mostly 900 MHZ cordles phoes that are wide FM.

And I have lived a number of places, so far.

What FAQ??
Every scanner that I have has WFM - and I do not own trunking scanners -
some of my scanners have been cheap arsed pieces of ****e, some are good
quality, but all have had WFM.
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whee I am, the only trunking scanners I have seen for sale do not have
WFM at all.

My new scanner that does not do trunk tracking at all does have WFM.

So I have to agree with you

wrote in message
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2.4 GHz phones probably more commonly use digital modulation.
-------------------------------------------------

When I was at Best Buy recently, they had a LOT of different me of 2.4
GHZ corless phones. and everyone of them was analog!!!!!!

they even speciicy said analog on the actual boxes and signs.

The one 2.4 GHZ model they had that did say "digital" turned out to be
analog. The stated "digital" was referring to the built-in answering
system being digital, not the regular converstations.

I did see a few digital 2.4 GHZ cordless phones at Wal-Mart, but even
most of the 2.4 GHZ ones there were analog.

so most 2.4ghz models are indeed analog.

Now the 5 GHZ cordless phones I've seen both places ( I think 5.8 GHZ,
although I might be off on frequency on these ones) did indeed say
digital on almost everyone of them I saw if not on everyone I saw.




There are a LOT of analog phones around here! The sales pitch is "Digital
Secure" of course referring to the code passed between the handset and the
base !