From: "Fred Hambrecht" on Tues, Sep 12 2006 4:55 pm

It's Not a Code, no code problem, it's a generational problem!

Why are you younger generation kids so retrograde compared
to my, OLDER generation, Freddie? :-)

Is your generation's generator turning over? Not much
coherent stuff being generated there...

In the past week, the articles that seemed to get the most play on ham sites
were the Southern Border Volunteers and the lack of brotherhood in ham
radio.

Oh, wow! South Carolina is in danger of being over-run
by Mexicans?!? Losing the "brotherhood?" Have you tried
recruiting a "sisterhood?" :-)

Freddie, I live in southern California. California borders
Mexico. Guess what, that border is only around 3 hours
drive from me. :-)


Ham radio went to hell when Dick Bash got involved with his published "cheat
sheets".

Really?!? I thought it "went" when you hams were allowed
to use VOICE! :-)

Or maybe when SPARK was outlawed?

This piece is from the prospective of a ham with over 50 years spewing RF
throughout the world. At 68 years of age, I look back at my start in ham
radio, appearing before a steely eyed FCC examiner in Norfolk Virginia. I
missed the distance for a Conditional license by about 11 miles. I had to
walk between school and home in the snow, uphill both ways.

You forgot BAREFOOT, Freddie. :-)

So, you "spewed RF throughout the world" over 50 years ago?

Unidirectional? I started in February 1953, HF beam patterns
pointed in many, specific directions...thanks to the United
States Army Signal Corps. :-)


Just as sure as these words are on your screen, you too will someday be an
old fart just like me.

Poor baby, born in 1939. Tsk, tsk, tsk. That makes me 6 or 7
years OLDER than you, Freddie.

As you enter the dotage of your life, health concerns
and the condition of your aged friends, becomes more of a concern. We, like
you, used to talk about more contemporary subjects.

WTF? Freddie boy, just WHO are you posting to? [see the bottom
since you didn't format this for proper quoting and replies]

Unlike a number of you,
we allowed the older folks to have their conversations without ridicule. It
is called respect, and is a two way street.

Freddie, you are demanding ONE WAY driving on a two-way street.
When did you last take a driving test? :-)

Realize that when I was a newby,
I suffered the same as you at the hands of the old farts.

Poor baby. Snif, snif.

They believed that
for you to enter their group, you should first show respect and learn to
snatch the pebble from their hand.

You mean DRINK in their hand, don't you? :-)

WHY did "your elders" have PEBBLES in their hand?

None of you started in your working life as the CEO of the company, yet many
of today's generation feel that a newly minted license conveys total
knowledge. What you have is a license to learn, take advantage of it and the
brotherhood will naturally follow.

Sigh...Freddie, you may be too far gone in your dotage? :-)

NOT in THIS group in this Din of Inequity, Freddie. Ain't
NO "respect" unless one is a devout morseman worshipping
at the Church of St. Hiram.

If we all took the time to show each other respect, and be less quick to
judge, not only would ham radio be better, but our lives as well.

Whoopee, a MAXIM! You ARE in the congregation of the Church
of St. Hiram!

I am supposed to "respect" you for your 'age?' :-)

So, does your quaint little pebble-filled maxim work the
OTHER way, Freddie?

When are YOU going to show respect for those OLDER than
YOU? :-)

[watch out, I have lots of 'pebbles'...:-) ]

wrote in message
roups.com...
Newsflash: ALL radio operators, code or no-code, are "appliance
operators" as you colloquially state. A radio is a means to
communicate. Knowing code just adds another way to use that radio.

Quite true, Opus! Thank you for pointing that out.

Let us hope that Blowcode sticks to his ARRL "Archie" comic
books while he mimes the "Wizard of Oz's" scarecrow wishing
he had a brain. :-(



Freddie, you replied to MY message. Try, please TRY to
understand who you are replying to. It doesn't hurt to
use acceptible formatting in Usenet style; makes it a
lot easier to follow for others.

Good night and good luck, Vaya con Dios,



Life Member, Institute for Electrical and Electronic Engineers,
a professional association, 397 thousand members worldwide.

Good night and good luck, Vaya con Dios,



Life Member, Institute for Electrical and Electronic Engineers,
a professional association, 397 thousand members worldwide.
........................

As before...
More Gas Baggery from The King of Flatulence.
Self-aggrandizement so noted...

My father always told me that when arguing with a jackass, make sure he
isn't doing the same thing.

In that vein, this conversation is ended Lennie...

wrote in message
ups.com...


Life Member, Institute for Electrical and Electronic Engineers,
a professional association, 397 thousand members worldwide.

" wrote in
oups.com:

So...has anyone ever saved a life or lives using "CW" on
the ham bands?





Well it certainly isn't going to happen if they don't know CW.

SC

" wrote in
ups.com:

Dave Oldridge wrote:
Slow Code wrote in news:SPYSg.4010$o71.3724
@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:

" wrote in
oups.com:

Please, don't all jump in at once with all the unproven
bragging and dozens of local weekly newspaper clippings.

Let's hear it for the mode that saved the Titanic survivors
in 1912...

Don't know about whether it saved any lives or not, but I once took a
very important NOTAM (Notice to Airman) on CW from a guy in the
Aleutians in the days following the 1964 quake and put it on the proper
teletype circuits for him.

His airport's altitude was changing so that charts and other info were
inaccurate.

Dave, that sounds very suspicious considering my ground school
instructor's 1962 display of a then-old Santa Barbara, CA,
half-hour TTY Wx report (then required by Commerce Dept.).
SBA (ID of Santa Barbara), like all other weather stations at
airports, were required to post their local Wx and airport
conditions every half hour. SBA is on the Pacific coast and
subject to rapid variations of weather. If weather changes more
rapidly than that, weather stations were required to post extra
in-between-scheduled-times reports.

One day, after having fog entering and leaving SBA often, the
operator of the TTY sent: "THE FOG SHE COMES IN THE FOG
SHE GOES OUT." :-)

The ground school class at VNY was presented with a
glassine-protected TTY copy of the Wx message that must
have been old at that time (the cheap TTY paper was
already turning yellow). Got a good laugh from the class.

In 1964 (which is 42 years ago), the weather stations had their
own network over leased telephone lines. At least in the 48
contiguous states. Whether or not Alaska was tied in with
manual telegraphy (radio or wirelines) I can't confirm...nor do I
think it important since I know it was NOT via amateur bands.

NOTAMs take many shapes but back 40+ years ago, the
FAA handled them and saw to their distribution at airports.
Most were press-printed but some current ones were sent
by TTY. That was in times before NOAA.





Lenny, just to help you feel better about morse code, if I ever hear you
are dying and in need of help, I will use CW to get you help. Then you'll
know before you die a ham used morse code to save a life and you can rest
in peace over CW.


SC

Slow Code wrote:

Lenny, just to help you feel better about morse code, if I ever hear you
are dying and in need of help, I will use CW to get you help. Then you'll
know before you die a ham used morse code to save a life and you can rest
in peace over CW.

SC

Slow, thats IMPOSSIBLE! If you use CW then how can Len die?

wrote:
Slow Code wrote:

Lenny, just to help you feel better about morse code, if I ever hear you
are dying and in need of help, I will use CW to get you help. Then you'll
know before you die a ham used morse code to save a life and you can rest
in peace over CW.

SC

Slow, thats IMPOSSIBLE! If you use CW then how can Len die?
indeed I am certain that all that is keeping some of these hams alive
is code thus I am expecting a sudden die off when the R&O come out

an old friend wrote:
indeed I am certain that all that is keeping some of these hams alive
is code thus I am expecting a sudden die off when the R&O come out

The R&O may come after global warming has already killed
most of us off. Here's what Al Gore had to say quoting
from The DrudgeReport:

Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore warned: "Cigarette
smoking is a significant contributor to global warming!"
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

From: on Fri, Sep 29 2006 9:00 pm


Slow Code wrote:

Lenny, just to help you feel better about morse code, if I ever hear you
are dying and in need of help, I will use CW to get you help. Then you'll
know before you die a ham used morse code to save a life and you can rest
in peace over CW.

Slow, thats IMPOSSIBLE! If you use CW then how can Len die?

Blowcode can, in his small mind's imagination, do all sorts
of things.

Here's a "plain and simple fact" of possible probables in
case of anyone ACTUALLY dying or needing help:

1. By telephone, wired or cell: Dial 911, the universal,
manned 24/7 emergency number. In turn, the 911 operator
will communicate with the appropriate agency by wire
or radio (there are 3 basic radio bands for public
safety radio services in the USA, one more coming).
There is one cell phone for every three citizens in the
USA. Speed as fast as a 911 conversation.

2. By - gasp - Citizens Band Radio Service transceivers in
urban areas. CB radio users out-number amateurs by 4 to
5 to one. Considering that some radio amateurs have to
work for a living and are not AT their ham radios but
highway truckers are both working and with their CBs,
the virtual ratio is probably double 5:1. Probability
of return to first communication about help is high
considering that many CB transceivers have guard
receivers always tuned to the emergency channel. Speed
of that is variable, may take three times longer than a
conversation with a 911 operator.

3. If flying there are two basic ways to indicate help.
Overland airways routes will have ATCRBS running and a
transponder "77" prefix code will generate a flag on
the ATC beacon display. On civil airways, 121.5 MHz
is the international universal emergency frequency
(243 MHz for military radio). Speed of either is a bit
longer than with 911 operator calling but quite fast.

4. On the water, in inland waterways and harbors, there
is a VHF FM channel for emergencies but common in-use
frequencies would get attention for real calls for
help. GMDSS is available on ships over deep water
as well as an HF radio voice channel for international
maritime distress calls. Since maritmers are noted
for adherence to SOLAS (Safety Of Life At Sea), the
response would be fast.

5. On land, lacking cell coverage (rare now) but on or
near highways, there is high probability that any
motorist or trucker would have a CB or possibly a
business vehicle with a business radio would be
passing (PLMRS vehicular radios are quite common with
small and large businesses). Any passing public
safety agency vehicle would have a radio transceiver
capable of directly contacting appropriate help.
Farmers are increasing their use of private radios
and might be nearby. FRS and GMRS HTs are also
becoming more common for both private and business
use. Speed of help calling would be variable
depending on location, nearby vehicular traffic.

6. Lacking any of the above, one might look for a non-TV
or non-CB antenna on a house...high probability of
that belonging to a radio amateur. [such a search
could take many hours, though] If the date and time
corresponded to a ham contest time, the ham might not
respond quickly. Even if the ham responded and began
calling, there is no assurance that anyone would hear
or pay attention to some emergency plea; that would
violate the normal conversation that goes on in ham
bands and cause much on-air disputes, further clogging
calls for help. Speed of help calling is variable,
anything from several minutes to many hours. Not that
it matters since the victim already died after trying
to get through all the ragchewing, self-styled radio
police, and general cat-calling by other amateurs.

7. Blow Code is of NO help since he is not verified as a
valid (or invalid) licensed radio amateur.

wrote:
From: on Fri, Sep 29 2006 9:00 pm

6. Lacking any of the above, one might look for a non-TV
or non-CB antenna on a house...high probability of
that belonging to a radio amateur. [such a search
could take many hours, though] If the date and time
corresponded to a ham contest time, the ham might not
respond quickly. Even if the ham responded and began
calling, there is no assurance that anyone would hear
or pay attention to some emergency plea; that would
violate the normal conversation that goes on in ham
bands and cause much on-air disputes, further clogging
calls for help. Speed of help calling is variable,
anything from several minutes to many hours. Not that
it matters since the victim already died after trying
to get through all the ragchewing, self-styled radio
police, and general cat-calling by other amateurs.

or you if you had to you could send ing sos or oso the later seems
likely to get you aid the fastest from the CW they will df you fast to
come and castise you for it and likely then well at least rennder first
aid as they take you to task for daring to misspell sos