Chinese Defector Talks about the Influence of VOA

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-11-15/48155.html

Don't expect to read this on the Neo-Liberal Intelligencer "radio" blog
anytime soon.

Astro wrote:
Chinese Defector Talks about the Influence of VOA

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-11-15/48155.html

Don't expect to read this on the Neo-Liberal Intelligencer "radio" blog
anytime soon.

It is, nonetheless, a very interesting read, encouraging that the VoA
has had such a positive influence, and one can only hope that every
shred of what he predicts will come about, sooner than later. On top
of that, assuming the discussion reads word for word, he seems like a
truly decent, whole-souled sort of guy.

Bruce Jensen

On 16 Nov 2006 09:40:21 -0800, "bpnjensen"
wrote:

Astro wrote:
Chinese Defector Talks about the Influence of VOA

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-11-15/48155.html

When I've looked at the dead tree version of Epoch Times which can be
found in street boxes in NYC, I got the impression that it's
associated with the Falun Gang religious sect. That doesn't make an
article false but you should take this into account. The Falun Gang
organization and the Communist Party of China both seek each other's
destruction and, at least according to literature given out at FG
demonstrations, the CPC and the PRC government have used torture and
murder against the FG.

Does "Freegate" in the article use open proxies on ports that the PRC
government isn't watching? I believe that if you connect to a the web
port (80) of a server (and perhaps ports like 554 which is used by
Real Audio) from a Chinese ISP you have to use a government proxy
which censors out certain sites.

You could get around this by connectimg to a proxy in another
country.Spammers do this so that their email can't be traced back to
their ISP. Spammers even send out use trojans to get other people to
run proxies on their computers without their knowledge.

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Tester wrote:
On 16 Nov 2006 09:40:21 -0800, "bpnjensen"
wrote:

Astro wrote:
Chinese Defector Talks about the Influence of VOA

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-11-15/48155.html

When I've looked at the dead tree version of Epoch Times which can be
found in street boxes in NYC, I got the impression that it's
associated with the Falun Gang religious sect. That doesn't make an
article false but you should take this into account. The Falun Gang
organization and the Communist Party of China both seek each other's
destruction and, at least according to literature given out at FG
demonstrations, the CPC and the PRC government have used torture and
murder against the FG.

Frankly, I'll take the Falun Gong over the CPC any day of the week and
twice on Fridays. There is absolutely no moral equivalency there -
they are morally 180 degrees out of phase.

Bruce Jensen

"bpnjensen" wrote in message
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Tester wrote:
On 16 Nov 2006 09:40:21 -0800, "bpnjensen"
wrote:

Astro wrote:
Chinese Defector Talks about the Influence of VOA

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-11-15/48155.html

When I've looked at the dead tree version of Epoch Times which can be
found in street boxes in NYC, I got the impression that it's
associated with the Falun Gang religious sect. That doesn't make an
article false but you should take this into account. The Falun Gang
organization and the Communist Party of China both seek each other's
destruction and, at least according to literature given out at FG
demonstrations, the CPC and the PRC government have used torture and
murder against the FG.

Frankly, I'll take the Falun Gong over the CPC any day of the week and
twice on Fridays. There is absolutely no moral equivalency there -
they are morally 180 degrees out of phase.

Bruce Jensen


You describe Falun Gong as a sect. Have either of you met a Falun Gong
member and conversed with them? You will often find them demonstrating in
front of Chinese consulates and embassies worldwide. Go there and talk to
them and then tell me they are a "sect."

Falun Gong is very similiar to Yoga and other Asian excercise/meditation.
To call it a "sect" reveals how much the Communist Party propaganda has
permeated Western thought.

Astro wrote:

You describe Falun Gong as a sect. Have either of you met a Falun Gong
member and conversed with them? You will often find them demonstrating in
front of Chinese consulates and embassies worldwide. Go there and talk to
them and then tell me they are a "sect."

Not me - it was the other guy.

Falun Gong is very similiar to Yoga and other Asian excercise/meditation.
To call it a "sect" reveals how much the Communist Party propaganda has
permeated Western thought.

I consider it a philosophy (not a perfect one, but better than
hard-line Marxism), and the fact that it is practiced by *very* many
people (more Falun Gong worldwide than Jews, for example) lifts it out
of the sect department, anyway.

Bruce Jensen

The Harper government's expressions of concern over Chinese human rights
issues in the past months have far surpassed those of the previous Liberal
Party administration. In September of this year, the Canadian Parliament
passed unanimously a decision to give the Dalai Lama, the spiritual leader
of the Tibetan exile government, the status of honorary citizen, despite the
CCP's protest that this will hurt trade relations between the two countries.

In addition to this incident involving the Dalai Lama, Beijing is also very
annoyed at the fact that numerous parliament members have openly criticized
the Chinese regime's persecution of Falun Gong and supported Falun Gong
practitioners appeals for human rights.

In May of this year, when the Canadian independent investigators David Matas
and David Kilgour started their investigation of the CCP's organ harvesting
from Falun Gong practitioners, Rahim Jaffer, chair of the Conservative
caucus, attended and spoke to show his support at the news conference of the
investigation-a news conference held inside the Canadian Parliament
building.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-11-17/48283.html
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"Tester" wrote in message
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On 16 Nov 2006 09:40:21 -0800, "bpnjensen"
wrote:

Astro wrote:
Chinese Defector Talks about the Influence of VOA

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-11-15/48155.html

When I've looked at the dead tree version of Epoch Times which can be
found in street boxes in NYC, I got the impression that it's
associated with the Falun Gang religious sect. That doesn't make an
article false but you should take this into account. The Falun Gang
organization and the Communist Party of China both seek each other's
destruction and, at least according to literature given out at FG
demonstrations, the CPC and the PRC government have used torture and
murder against the FG.

Does "Freegate" in the article use open proxies on ports that the PRC
government isn't watching? I believe that if you connect to a the web
port (80) of a server (and perhaps ports like 554 which is used by
Real Audio) from a Chinese ISP you have to use a government proxy
which censors out certain sites.

You could get around this by connectimg to a proxy in another
country.Spammers do this so that their email can't be traced back to
their ISP. Spammers even send out use trojans to get other people to
run proxies on their computers without their knowledge.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

On 17 Nov 2006 08:32:54 -0800, "bpnjensen"
wrote:

I consider it a philosophy (not a perfect one, but better than
hard-line Marxism), and the fact that it is practiced by *very* many
people (more Falun Gong worldwide than Jews, for example) lifts it out
of the sect department, anyway.

A very close acquaintance of mine grew up in and lived in mainland
China until a few years ago. She certainly has no shortage of unkind
things to say about the Chinese government. On the other hand, she's
about equally unimpressed with the Falun Gong movement.

This is getting off-topic for R.R.S. (so what else is new?) but there
are legitimate criticisms of the Falun Gong. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critici...out_Falun_Gong
for a long and even-handed discussion of the subject, particularly the
"Is Falun Gong a Cult?" section.

My enemy's enemy is not necessarily my friend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cr...about_Falun_Go
ng
NOTE: "This page is currently protected from editing [by whom???] until
disputes have been resolved... Protection is not an endorsement of the
current page version."

In the non-vetted world of "Wiki-NOT_AN_ENCYCLO-Pedia", the description of
Falun Gong can equally be applied to Jesus Christ and Muhammad. Therefore,
Christianity and Islam is also a cult. Which explains why only the Chinese
Communist Party run catholic church and its version of the bible and
teachings are allowed in China.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong


"MAS" wrote in message
...
On 17 Nov 2006 08:32:54 -0800, "bpnjensen"
wrote:

I consider it a philosophy (not a perfect one, but better than
hard-line Marxism), and the fact that it is practiced by *very* many
people (more Falun Gong worldwide than Jews, for example) lifts it out
of the sect department, anyway.

A very close acquaintance of mine grew up in and lived in mainland
China until a few years ago. She certainly has no shortage of unkind
things to say about the Chinese government. On the other hand, she's
about equally unimpressed with the Falun Gong movement.

This is getting off-topic for R.R.S. (so what else is new?) but there
are legitimate criticisms of the Falun Gong. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critici...out_Falun_Gong
for a long and even-handed discussion of the subject, particularly the
"Is Falun Gong a Cult?" section.

My enemy's enemy is not necessarily my friend.

No Supprise: Interpol Chief Says Europe Not Fighting Terror.
www.debbieschlussel.com

Then,they deserve what they get.
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