I don't think John Smith read the entire section on Ether...you need to
update your Physics book to the late 20th Century. Ether is considered
a non-issue in modern physics theories.



"Today, the majority of physicists hold that there is no need to
imagine that a medium for light propagation exists. They believe that
neither Einstein's general theory of relativity nor quantum mechanics
have need for it and that there is no evidence for it. As such, a
classical aether is an unnecessary addition to physics that violates
the principle of Occam's razor.

Moreover, it is hard to develop an aether theory that is consistent
with all experiments of modern physics. Any new theory of aether must
be consistent with all of the experiments testing phenomena of special
relativity, general relativity, relativistic quantum mechanics, and so
on. As outlined earlier, these conditions are often contradictory,
making such a task inherently difficult.

Nevertheless the intuitive appeal of a causal background for
"relativistic" effects cannot be denied. Some physicists hold that
there remain a number of problems in modern physics that are simplified
by an aether concept, so that Occam's razor doesn't apply."


Bruce..Radiation Physicist

m II wrote:
...

Yes, we already know your theory. Shooting protons and genetic
damage--and radio waves are but a myth.

Get your paper in order, I am sure the scientific community is just
waiting to hear from you ...

JS

BruceMN44 wrote:

I don't think John Smith read the entire section on Ether...you need to
update your Physics book to the late 20th Century. Ether is considered
a non-issue in modern physics theories.
...

I know of no physicist who would claim radio waves traverse the universe
(space) with no media to distribute their energy.

Like I say, prepare a paper, I am sure the scientific community is ready
to hear how radio waves are but a myth ...

JS

www.devilfinder.com Foucault Pendulum

Shows the motion of the Earth.
cuhulin

BruceMN44 wrote:
...
have need for it and that there is no evidence for it. As such, a
classical aether is an unnecessary addition to physics that violates
the principle of Occam's razor.


Bruce..Radiation Physicist


I trust "Newton's Balls of Force" can still be found in high school
physics labs. I trust most have seen how energy can travel through the
balls as a "wave" and only the end balls will swing free in an effort to
"dispel" the energy which is imparted to the device.

In much the same way, tesla described the "travel" of "radio waves" in
the ether. It is true, einsteins "gravitational ether" does seem to
break occam's razor, true physicists ponder these things ... however,
present theory depends on a medium for waves to travel in, otherwise
"radio waves" are a myth, if that is what you claim--so be it ...

JS

John Smith wrote:
BruceMN44 wrote:

I don't think John Smith read the entire section on Ether...you need to
update your Physics book to the late 20th Century. Ether is considered
a non-issue in modern physics theories.
...

I know of no physicist who would claim radio waves traverse the universe
(space) with no media to distribute their energy.

Like I say, prepare a paper, I am sure the scientific community is ready
to hear how radio waves are but a myth ...

JS

John Smith,
You seem to be consumed by this ether subject yet you give no current
references, only historical data from the early 1920's. You seem to
enjoy the attention this thread has generated, yet offer nothing even
remotely update on this subject. Fact of the mater you have taken
ether beyond theoretical physics and have tried to apply it to applied
physics...Antenna radiating waves through an ether!!!! I feel you are
have made a leap that hasn't been proven scienticically by experiment
yet! Only theory in some circles...which rise and fall with eb
scientific conjecture. Bruce

In article , "Mike"
wrote:

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Mike wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Mike wrote:
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Yes. There is no "ether". Radio "waves" are not really waves. Your
opinions on this are about 70 years behind the times.

Mike


ahhh. I thought so. You are the one whose antenna is firing those
protons!

Not protons, photons. You are totally clueless, aren't you?

Mike


No. protons - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton

No, photons.

It's a particle that has no mass, yet it can impart momentum and it
travels through space or air in a transverse wave motion but it is not a
wave and it has no charge but it carries the force of electromagnetic
fields as it travels through space.

I'm sticking with Maxwell for now.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article . com,
"BruceMN44" wrote:

I don't think John Smith read the entire section on Ether...you need to
update your Physics book to the late 20th Century. Ether is considered
a non-issue in modern physics theories.



"Today, the majority of physicists hold that there is no need to
imagine that a medium for light propagation exists. They believe that
neither Einstein's general theory of relativity nor quantum mechanics
have need for it and that there is no evidence for it. As such, a
classical aether is an unnecessary addition to physics that violates
the principle of Occam's razor.

Moreover, it is hard to develop an aether theory that is consistent
with all experiments of modern physics. Any new theory of aether must
be consistent with all of the experiments testing phenomena of special
relativity, general relativity, relativistic quantum mechanics, and so
on. As outlined earlier, these conditions are often contradictory,
making such a task inherently difficult.

Nevertheless the intuitive appeal of a causal background for
"relativistic" effects cannot be denied. Some physicists hold that
there remain a number of problems in modern physics that are simplified
by an aether concept, so that Occam's razor doesn't apply."


Bruce..Radiation Physicist

This post only proves that not everyone is a Bruce.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

brucie, Brucie. BRUCIE !

Aether You Do -or- Ether You Don't [.]

yes it is that simple - relatively speaking ~ RHF

John Smith wrote:

OK. I will take the time to explain this to you. If your antenna DOES
NOT emmanate waves into the ether, then it must shoot sub-atomic
particles, and if so, that is HIGHLY DANGEROUS. As these sub-atomic
particles traveling though your body would cause cancer, DNA damage, etc.

So, stay away from your antenna idiot! Laughing Out Loud!

JS

Radio signals are photons, little quanta of light energy, which have
characteristics of both particles and waves. They are characteristic
of particles, in part, in that they do not require a "medium" through
which to travel and can physically impinge upon other particles. They
are characteristic of waves in that they can be seen to resonate at
specific frequencies and interfere with wave characteristics of other
quanta. And vice-versa. Please excuse the imprecision in my language,
it's been awhile.

When you deal with mechanical waves, you must provide a medium for them
to propagate. Quanta are different, and do not always conform in
obvious analogous ways to mechanical waves. There is a hypothetical
all-pervasive quantum background that seems to be the source of the
characteristics of quanta, but this does not equate to an ether.

I am not an expert in quantum theory or relativity by any means, I just
have some educational background in quantum/radiation physics, and I
love astronomy and cosmology...and one tends to absorb information
about beloved subjects.

Bruce Jensen