On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:03:46 -0700, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


For example, the LA stations do well in ratings in the Riverside market and
the Ventura / Oxnard market. Advertisers neither pay extra for that added
delivery outside the LA metro, nor do they count LA buys against the
delivery in Ventura, for example.

If they buy Riverside (about the 30th market) they send orders to the local
stations. If they buy Ventura at all (about market 120 and not often bought)
they don't factor in LA stations.

That's insane. Everybody knows KNX covers from Mexico to Arizona to
the Central Coast. That's a factor, even if the books aren't.

"David" wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:03:46 -0700, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


For example, the LA stations do well in ratings in the Riverside market
and
the Ventura / Oxnard market. Advertisers neither pay extra for that added
delivery outside the LA metro, nor do they count LA buys against the
delivery in Ventura, for example.

If they buy Riverside (about the 30th market) they send orders to the
local
stations. If they buy Ventura at all (about market 120 and not often
bought)
they don't factor in LA stations.

That's insane. Everybody knows KNX covers from Mexico to Arizona to
the Central Coast. That's a factor, even if the books aren't.

Daytime, KNX covers from northern San Diego County to mid-Riverside County
to Southern Ventura County.

At night, due to, first, skywave / groundwave cancellation, the groundwave
coverage is much less than that... and the skywave coverage is pretty much
ripped most of the time due to the Mexican stations that are now operating
on 1070, especially the one in Cd. Obregón Sonora.

Advertisers do not buy outside the local metro, so the coverage, what there
is, outside LA and Orange County, counts for nothing to the business side of
KNX.

On 26 Mrz., 22:44, David wrote:

That's insane. Everybody knows KNX covers from Mexico to Arizona to
the Central Coast. That's a factor, even if the books aren't.

Doesn't matter.

I can listen to WOR-New York when in Philadelphia. Same with other
New York stations like Sportsradio 66 and Newsradio 88. Both come into
Philly. From time to time, the stations also show up on the Arbitron
books.

But you will never hear ads from Philadelphia advertisers on New York
City stations. Likewise you're never going to hear New York
advertisers on WWKB-Buffalo or WHAS-Louisville. Both are stations
that can be received quite well in New York, at least at night.

Stephanie Weil
New York City

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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 03:43:35 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:

Daytime, KNX covers from northern San Diego County to mid-Riverside County
to Southern Ventura County.

At night, due to, first, skywave / groundwave cancellation, the groundwave
coverage is much less than that... and the skywave coverage is pretty much
ripped most of the time due to the Mexican stations that are now operating
on 1070, especially the one in Cd. Obregón Sonora.

Advertisers do not buy outside the local metro, so the coverage, what
there
is, outside LA and Orange County, counts for nothing to the business side
of
KNX.

You need a better radio.

Sorry, but that is the service area of the station. At night, the
skywave-groundwave cancellation zone hits around Redlands, Hemet, Fallbrook,
etc. and makes fringe reception very difficult. And beyond that the Mexican
co-channels rip it up.

On Mar 27, 9:25 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 03:43:35 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:

Daytime, KNX covers from northern San Diego County to mid-Riverside County
to Southern Ventura County.

At night, due to, first, skywave / groundwave cancellation, the groundwave
coverage is much less than that... and the skywave coverage is pretty much
ripped most of the time due to the Mexican stations that are now operating
on 1070, especially the one in Cd. Obregón Sonora.

Advertisers do not buy outside the local metro, so the coverage, what
there
is, outside LA and Orange County, counts for nothing to the business side
of
KNX.

You need a better radio.

Sorry, but that is the service area of the station. At night, the
skywave-groundwave cancellation zone hits around Redlands, Hemet, Fallbrook,
etc. and makes fringe reception very difficult. And beyond that the Mexican
co-channels rip it up.- Hide quoted text -

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IBOC AM "HD" Radio and "Mexican Co-Channels" - What If . . .

DE - "Mexican Co-Channels" That brings up a point :

Will Mexico soon be going to IBOC AM "HD" Radio Too ?

Will the increase in the number of American Radio Stations
Broascasting IBOC AM "HD" Radio -Hash-Out- the South
of the Border Mexican AM/MW Radio Stations ?

Will Spanish Language IBOC AM "HD" Radio Stations have
a 'Local-Market-Monopoly' over their South of the Border
Mexican AM/MW Radio Stations due to Digital Hash ?

ARE THE DAYS OF THE BORDER BLASTERS NUMBERED ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_blaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:M...ers.map.02.png

=BUT= "IF" Many of the Larger and More Powerful South of
the Border Mexican AM/MW Radio Stations adopt IBOC
"HD" Radio Technology and ran thier Digital Transmitters
at a Full Power of 10-25-50 KW -won't- They Blow most of
the North of the Border American IBOC "HD" Radio Stations
out of their Local Markets with Super Signal and Mega
Digital Hash ?

Imagine XETRA-AM on 690 kHz Transmitting 50 KW of "Pure"
Over Modulated IBOC AM "HD" Radio into Southern-California
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XETRA-AM
-and- Everything 50 kHz on either side of XETRA
being nothing but a Digital Hash Zone.


hey - i can hear them on my dental fillings now ) ~ RHF
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"RHF" wrote in message
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Will Mexico soon be going to IBOC AM "HD" Radio Too ?

They are testing it now. One HD station is XEN 690, with 100 kw.

Will the increase in the number of American Radio Stations
Broascasting IBOC AM "HD" Radio -Hash-Out- the South
of the Border Mexican AM/MW Radio Stations ?

It's more the other way around. Mexico was later into using the AM band than
the US, so many US directionals take a dump on Mexico, where there has long
been resentment for electromagnetic imperialism (I'm not kidding... just
paraphrasing what was told me many times)


ARE THE DAYS OF THE BORDER BLASTERS NUMBERED ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_blaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:M...ers.map.02.png

XERF is now only 100 kw, the Tijuana staitons are 50 kw and 77 kw, and even
XEROK (XELO) is down to 50 kw. I think you could say there are no more of
these critters.


Imagine XETRA-AM on 690 kHz Transmitting 50 KW of "Pure"
Over Modulated IBOC AM "HD" Radio into Southern-California
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XETRA-AM
-and- Everything 50 kHz on either side of XETRA
being nothing but a Digital Hash Zone.

That station has more to worry about than going HD. In 14 months as a
Spanish talker aimed at LA (where they have no useful signal at all) it has
had no ratings in LA, SD or Tijuana.

On 28 Mrz., 10:21, "David Eduardo" wrote:


That station has more to worry about than going HD. In 14 months as a
Spanish talker aimed at LA (where they have no useful signal at all) it has
had no ratings in LA, SD or Tijuana.

When I was in TIjuana, I was always opting for Radio Z-13 (XEAZ 1270
AM) or Radio Enciso (XEC 1310 AM).

Both were very news-intensive talk stations. I know Radio Z-13 has
now affiliated with the Radio Capital network so I don't know how
their local programming has fared.

Another good one if you're into talk radio is Radio Formula (XEKAM 950
AM) with a good mix of local and national shows.

And I gotta admit that XEMO La Poderosa 860 played some good
rolas.

And no, I don't know what the ratings for these stations, but I assume
most of them lean towards older listeners anyway.

Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA

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On 28 Mrz., 10:21, "David Eduardo" wrote:


That station has more to worry about than going HD. In 14 months as a
Spanish talker aimed at LA (where they have no useful signal at all) it
has
had no ratings in LA, SD or Tijuana.

When I was in TIjuana, I was always opting for Radio Z-13 (XEAZ 1270
AM) or Radio Enciso (XEC 1310 AM).

Tijuana is one of the few places where you can hear a lot of "Tribuna" or
listener participation. Most of the talk in Mexico consists of
commentatators or round tables with discussions; the listeners apparently
are not considered to have valuable opinion.s

Both were very news-intensive talk stations. I know Radio Z-13 has
now affiliated with the Radio Capital network so I don't know how
their local programming has fared.

That sounds like they will take the kind of programming I just described.

Another good one if you're into talk radio is Radio Formula (XEKAM 950
AM) with a good mix of local and national shows.

Well done station, overall. Rogerio Azcárrage is a very successful operator,
too.

And I gotta admit that XEMO La Poderosa 860 played some good
rolas.

Yet in San Diego, it dropped out of the ratings a few years ago after many
years of being either #1 in Spanish there or very competitive.

And no, I don't know what the ratings for these stations, but I assume
most of them lean towards older listeners anyway.

Being AM in a very young country, that is what the INRA numbers show.

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On Mar 28, 7:21 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message

oups.com...

Will Mexico soon be going to IBOC AM "HD" Radio Too ?

They are testing it now. One HD station is XEN 690, with 100 kw.

Will the increase in the number of American Radio Stations
Broascasting IBOC AM "HD" Radio -Hash-Out- the South
of the Border Mexican AM/MW Radio Stations ?

It's more the other way around. Mexico was later into using the AM band than
the US, so many US directionals take a dump on Mexico, where there has long
been resentment for electromagnetic imperialism (I'm not kidding... just
paraphrasing what was told me many times)

ARE THE DAYS OF THE BORDER BLASTERS NUMBERED ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_blaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:M...ers.map.02.png

XERF is now only 100 kw, the Tijuana staitons are 50 kw and 77 kw, and even
XEROK (XELO) is down to 50 kw. I think you could say there are no more of
these critters.

Imagine XETRA-AM on 690 kHz Transmitting 50 KW of "Pure"
Over Modulated IBOC AM "HD" Radio into Southern-California
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XETRA-AM
-and- Everything 50 kHz on either side of XETRA
being nothing but a Digital Hash Zone.

That station has more to worry about than going HD. In 14 months as a
Spanish talker aimed at LA (where they have no useful signal at all) it has
had no ratings in LA, SD or Tijuana.

DE - The point that I am trying to make is generally most
Spanish Music Radio Stations AM & FM tend to Over
Modulate their Signal and create Noise on both Adjacent
Radio Channels up-and-down the Band. Now take IBOC
"HD" Radio with the Digital starting point for the American
Broadcasters being 1/100th ERP of the Analog ERP.
-What-If- the South of the Border Mexican IBOC "HD"
Radio Stations start with a Digital Signal ERP of 10%,
25%, 50% or even 100% of their Analog Signal ERP ?
The Mexican IBOC "HD" Radio Stations will simply
over power the Americans and the Digital Adjacent
Channel Hash from the Mexicans will will make many
American Radio Stations un-hear-able within their Local
Market. Therefore the only 'choice' that many American
IBOC "HD" Radio Stations will have is to Power-Up
their Digital Transmitters to be heard withing their own
Local Market. The result will be a more rapid transition
to Full Power IBOC "HD" Radio and All "HD" Broadcasting.

let the digital {iboc} "hd" radio wars begin ~ RHF