David wrote:
Why not? I listen to your CEI and AEI people. You must listen to all
sides of an argument then use your truth decoder ring.

Cato replys:
Well, ya,.... you might say that I already
have. You see, I was bona fide member of the left - socialist
movement in the sixties, seventies and early eighties. One of my
courses in college was the History of Modern Communism. I was a
student organizer of the college N.D.P. movement up here. (The N.D.P.
is the New Democratic Party. The socialist political party up here in
Canada.
I read Marx, Engles, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao etc. (Even had
one of Mao's "Little Red Books". Still have it as sort of a "Souvenir"
of the time.
Helped organize student protests for various left wing causes. We
even shut down the Peace Bridge international bridge between Buffalo,
New York, and fort Erie Canada for a while and got ourselves on T.V.
(*We were protesting U.S. testing of nuclear weapons under Amchitka
Island in Alaska. We even tried to convince people that it could start
earthquakes up and down the west coast section of the "Ring of Fire")
Had well known leftists come to speak to our organization. (Stephen
Lewis was one.) As well as N.D.P., we even had communist party members
come and talk. Ya, we were heavily involved with the socialist-
communist "Peace Movement" which in reality was a onesided affair
trying to get the West, especially the U.S., Britain, and France, and
NATO in general to disarm. After all, the U.S.S.R. and the Warsaw Pact
were peaceloving people. Lots of organized protests up here in Toronto
and other cities.
I know a hell of a lot about the tactics used by the socialist-
communists. I was one of them for a long time.
There are ways to make the Other Side look foolish. Ways to shut
them up. Ways to shock them into silence.
And then, I read Alexandr Solzhenitsyn's "Gulag Archipelago", and
then " One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich". I read some other
books. My eyes were opening up. I started to listen to Shortwave Radio
late at night. Both to free countries, and communist. Both sides. A
friend of mine, it took his grandmother two years to get permission to
visit Canada for just two weeks to see her family. She could not
believe the huge shopping malls, supermarkets, grocery stores. she
said, "This is were you take foreigners to make them think it is good
here.," She could not believe their color t.v.s private luxery cars,
privately owned homes, and even a computer in the house. (Home
computers had just started to come on the market. My friend bought
one. (A machine built by Ohio Scientific. Had 16 k of RAM. WOW!)
Her explanation for all these things? "You must have important
friends and connections in the Party." The poor woman returned to
Ukraine in disbelief.
Then I knew, that all along, I had been wrong. When I left the
socialist movement, (by then I was rubbing elbows with Marxists and
othe Communists,) some of my former comrades did their best to ruin
me. I received threats. These were people that had been my friends,
compatriots. Turning against the movement is not something that you do
without possible reprisals.
I started investigating exactly how powerful the Soviet military
was. What were they building? What were their civil defence
preparations. I can go on, and on.
I became a Libertarian. Individual freedom, personal
responsibility, as little government as possible. That is what I now
defend.
Someone once said, "If at twenty my son was not a socialsit, I
would say he had no heart. If at thirty he was still a socialist, I
would say he had no brains." Hmmmm, interesting. Isn't it? I am not
syaing that is me. But it seem to be the route I took. I could go on,
and on. It is a really long story........
Cato

Saddam Hussein tested a nuclear device under Lake Razzaza
(spelling,Razzaza) in Iraq.Did y'all N.D.Pee-rs protest that too?
cuhulin

Yeah, the biggest energy consumer and polluter in the northern
hemisphere telling the masses that they have to cut back. What a hoot.

Telamon
Ventura, California



Yeah, telling " Happy Natives" that they shouldn't get electricity but
should somehow

" Be Green" Sucks..

Kinda like driving the old SUV down to the Global Warming rally.

In any case, I'm going to read the most outrageously gloomy,
hysterical book
on global warming;

The revenge of Gaia : earth's climate in crisis and the fate of
humanity /
by Lovelock, James, 1919- ( Still alive )


- the other side of the argument being that " it's Not A Problem"

( Burn down the rain Forest.. Sure, Why Not..)

In article ,
"Chas.Chan" wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
On 23 Apr 2007 10:53:35 -0700, Cato wrote:
SOURCEWATCH -- a Left - Socialist Organization that attacks
Conservatism and Libertarianism. They tend to strongly support Left-
Liberal-Socialist values.
So, sure, Ya, like I'm going to listen to them. Right.

Why not? I listen to your CEI and AEI people. You must listen to all
sides of an argument then use your truth decoder ring.

Your decoder ring is Made in China!

Out of a box of Cracker Jacks. There is a prize in every box.
http://www.candydirect.com/novelty/Cracker-Jacks-Box-1-oz.html

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

www.oldtimecandy.com
How many do you remember? When I was a boy and I went to the movies down
town and the drive in movies,I usually bought a big 15 cent Power House
candy bar.
www.devilfinder.com Drive In Theaters Jackson Mississippi
(The kiddy Matinee and down town Jackson.Fifty years ago)
cuhulin

Telamon wrote:


Your decoder ring is Made in China!

Out of a box of Cracker Jacks. There is a prize in every box.
http://www.candydirect.com/novelty/Cracker-Jacks-Box-1-oz.html


Some prizes are better than others. RHF claims he got his brain from a
box of the things. We don't know if that is good or bad.

================================================== ===============
Got Mind from an All American Box-of-Cracker-Jacks ! ! ! ~ RHF
================================================== ===============





mike

David wrote:
You seem impulsive.

I've always been fiercely independent and refuse to have others
define
things for me. Have been neither leftist nor fascist. Am a militant
centrist with left libertarian anarchist tendencies.


Cato responds: No. At least not according to the definition of
the word. In all my years, I have only made two big changes in my
political belief. And both were made after much study, and careful
thought. My decisions were not made quickly, or without regard for
careful reflection on philisophy, religion, and political solutions
that I feel are best.
I can't be an anarchist, Because the total absence of government
can only last as long as it takes the stongest person to take control.
For whatever years are left to me in this world, I will be
against any form of totalitarianism, any form of tyranny, any form of
dictatorship, be it so-called far left or far right. Communism,
Fascism, Religious extremist theocracy, etc. etc., or anything
remotely resembling them.
We have to understand that people are impefect. So anything we
create, has at least the potential to be imperfect, and probably is.
This includes the worlds greatest governments.
Great documents that helped slowly build freedom, like the Magna
Carta, the English Bill of Rights of 1669, the Ordinance for Virginia
1621, Lord Durham's Report of 1839 (Responsible Government), and many
others, with the Declaration of Independance, the Constitution, and
the Bill of Rights of the United States at the top today, sadly the
very freedoms that these documents try to protect, have within them,
the seeds of their own very gradual destruction. We only have to look
at what has happened in Britain, Canada, the U.S. and other countries.
How, over the years, our noble freedoms, purchased with blood, and
sweat and tears by our forefathers, have been, very slowly, slipping
away with time.
And the reason is, because we are not perfect, and governments and
politicians are made drunk with their own power. So they will
naturally do all they can to aquire and build more power, slowly
strangling the freedom and independance of the people. As governments
slowly take more and more power, and make more and more decision on
behalf of the people, the people themselves slowly lose power to the
government, and lose more and more of the ability to decide for
themselves how they should live their lives. And it ends up this
way..... Instead of government being the servant of the people, the
people end up being the servants of the government.

Cato

On 26 Apr 2007 01:11:44 -0700, Cato wrote:


And the reason is, because we are not perfect, and governments and
politicians are made drunk with their own power. So they will
naturally do all they can to aquire and build more power, slowly
strangling the freedom and independance of the people. As governments
slowly take more and more power, and make more and more decision on
behalf of the people, the people themselves slowly lose power to the
government, and lose more and more of the ability to decide for
themselves how they should live their lives. And it ends up this
way..... Instead of government being the servant of the people, the
people end up being the servants of the government.

Cato

Everyone should watch ''1776'' on acid at least once in their lives
(kind of like a libertarian haj).

cuhulin wrote: Saddam Hussein tested a nuclear device under Lake
Razzaza
(spelling,Razzaza) in Iraq.Did y'all N.D.Pee-rs protest that too?
cuhulin

Crap! I must have been half asleep when I wrote my answer to that. I
thought I was answering a question about some Soviet Nuclear test. My
bad.
cuhulin, when did Saddam ever test a nuclear weapon? I never heard
of it. The papers and T.V. news never picked it up. Are you sure about
that? What was its yield?

Cato

In article ,
David wrote:

On 24 Apr 2007 15:13:54 -0700, Cato wrote:



David wrote:
Why not? I listen to your CEI and AEI people. You must listen to all
sides of an argument then use your truth decoder ring.

Cato replys:
Well, ya,.... you might say that I already
have. You see, I was bona fide member of the left - socialist
movement in the sixties, seventies and early eighties. One of my
courses in college was the History of Modern Communism. I was a
student organizer of the college N.D.P. movement up here. (The N.D.P.
is the New Democratic Party. The socialist political party up here in
Canada.
I read Marx, Engles, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao etc. (Even had
one of Mao's "Little Red Books". Still have it as sort of a "Souvenir"
of the time.
You seem impulsive.

I've always been fiercely independent and refuse to have others define
things for me. Have been neither leftist nor fascist. Am a militant
centrist with left libertarian anarchist tendencies.

I do not think that the climate disaster is stoppable. Way too late
for that. I would like to see a few people admit they screwed-up 40
years ago when they said we can burn with impunity in perpetuum.

I'll do better than that, I'll admit that right now.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California