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Hi guys, Long time no talk.
I hope all is well. I haven't been following this HD radio subject
so I have a question about it.
Will I still be able to pick up the same stations with my old analog radios
if they go HD?

Hi again
Lucky


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On Sep 10, 1:31 pm, "Lucky" wrote:
Hi guys, Long time no talk.
I hope all is well. I haven't been following this HD radio subject
so I have a question about it.
Will I still be able to pick up the same stations with my old analog radios
if they go HD?

Hi again
Lucky


So long as the stations aren't too far away, but expect to hear a lot
of digital hash along with the signal.

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Hi Steve.

So all my 11 analog radios are now "junk"? Will we now be "forced" to buy a
HD radio and the price of even the best analog equipment not sell as high as
they used to? Analog is soon to be dead??

Lucky

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On Sep 10, 1:31 pm, "Lucky" wrote:
Hi guys, Long time no talk.
I hope all is well. I haven't been following this HD radio subject
so I have a question about it.
Will I still be able to pick up the same stations with my old analog
radios
if they go HD?

Hi again
Lucky


So long as the stations aren't too far away, but expect to hear a lot
of digital hash along with the signal.



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On Sep 10, 2:00 pm, "Lucky" wrote:
Hi Steve.

So all my 11 analog radios are now "junk"? Will we now be "forced" to buy a
HD radio and the price of even the best analog equipment not sell as high as
they used to? Analog is soon to be dead??

Lucky

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On Sep 10, 1:31 pm, "Lucky" wrote:
Hi guys, Long time no talk.
I hope all is well. I haven't been following this HD radio subject
so I have a question about it.
Will I still be able to pick up the same stations with my old analog
radios
if they go HD?


Hi again
Lucky


So long as the stations aren't too far away, but expect to hear a lot
of digital hash along with the signal.- Hide quoted text -


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Oh I don't know about that. For one thing, I don't think HD AM is
going to be around for too long. I suspect it'll go the way of AM
stereo, so you might just have to wait it out.

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On Sep 10, 10:31 am, "Lucky" wrote:
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- Hi guys, Long time no talk.
- I hope all is well.
- I haven't been following this HD radio subject
- so I have a question about it.
-
- Will I still be able to pick up the same stations
- with my old analog radios if they go HD?
-
- Hi again
- Lucky

Lucky - If your are 'lucky' Yes.

[ Where you Live and Listen and the Distance
to each AM/MW Radio Station's Transmitter
is important. ]

AM/MW "HD" RADIO :
But may be not -if- what you like to Listen to the
AM/MW Radio is beyond the 10mv/m Contour.

Example : KSFO-AM 560 kHz in the SF Bay Area
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin...=KSFO&sr=Y&s=C
Predicted daytime coverage area for KSFO 560 AM, San Francisco, CA
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin...atus=L&hours=D
* Prior to "HD" AM/MW Radio you could generally hear
Analog KSFO out to the Purple Line {Distant Zone}
* Now with "HD" AM/MW Radio you will most likely only be
able to hear Analog KSFO out to the Red Line {Local Zone}
- - - Within the 10mv/m Contour.

THE BIG DIFFERENCE IN AM/MW RADIO WILL BE AT
NIGHT FOR THE MOST PART DXING WILL BE GONE.
Predicted Nighttime* coverage area for KSFO 560 AM, San Francisco, CA
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin...atus=L&hours=N
* Prior to "HD" AM/MW Radio you could generally
hear Analog KSFO at Night out to the Purple Line
{Distant Zone} and Beyond into "The DX Zone" . . .
* Now with "HD" AM/MW Radio you will most likely
only be able to hear Analog KSFO at Night out to
the Red Line {Local Zone}
* No More "DX" AM/MW Radio at Night.

RESULT - AM/MW "HD" Radio will make all {both
Analog and Digital} AM/MW Radio Listening 'local'.
- - - Especially at Night.


FM "HD" RADIO :
-WRT- FM "HD" Radio for the most part Analog FM Radio
has always been a 'local' Broadcast Media : So unless
you live on the Fringes of the FM Analog or Digital Signal
you will still hear all {both Analog and Digital} the FM Radio
Stations that you hear now.

Example : KQED-FM 88.5 MHz in the SF Bay Area
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin...=KQED&sr=Y&s=C
Predicted coverage area for KQED 88.5 FM, San Francisco, CA
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin...atus=L&hours=U
* Prior to "HD" FW Radio you could generally hear
Analog KQED out to the Purple Line {Distant Zone}
* Now with "HD" FW Radio you will most likely only be
able to hear Analog KQED out to the Red Line {Local Zone}
- - - Within the 60 dBu Contour
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-serv...=FM257373.html


life exists and radio listening happens
beyond the 10mv/m contour ~ RHF


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On Sep 10, 1:31?pm, "Lucky" wrote:
Hi guys, Long time no talk.
I hope all is well. I haven't been following this HD radio subject
so I have a question about it.
Will I still be able to pick up the same stations with my old analog radios
if they go HD?

Hi again
Lucky


Here read through my blog:

http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/

HD Radio is nothing but a farce and the HD channels are only 1% the
power-levels of the analog channels. Besides, you can listen on-line
for free at clearchannelmusic.com./hdradio, but try slacker.com,
instead.

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:31:57 -0400, "Lucky"
wrote:

Hi guys, Long time no talk.
I hope all is well. I haven't been following this HD radio subject
so I have a question about it.
Will I still be able to pick up the same stations with my old analog radios
if they go HD?

Hi again
Lucky

Yes and no. FM HD stations wipe out stations next door. AM HD
stations make gurgling noises and lack high end. You cannot listen to
an AM HD station in sync selectable sideband, so your $1,400 Drake is
less useful than it was last year. And AM HD stations wipe out 2 of
their neighbors, on each side. Lovely.
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:00:59 -0400, "Lucky"
wrote:

Hi Steve.

So all my 11 analog radios are now "junk"? Will we now be "forced" to buy a
HD radio and the price of even the best analog equipment not sell as high as
they used to? Analog is soon to be dead??

Analog doesn't allow conditional access. Digital is the first step to
all ''Pay Radio''.
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On Sep 10, 2:00 pm, "Lucky" wrote:
Hi Steve.

So all my 11 analog radios are now "junk"? Will we now be "forced" to buy a
HD radio and the price of even the best analog equipment not sell as high as
they used to? Analog is soon to be dead??


No, your radios are not junk. Your analog radios will still pick up
stations. The only problem is that if you have a hi-fi radio (like a
Tivoli Model 1 or something similar), the local AM stations will sound
like junk (clipping and "hissy") and distant stations will be blotted
out by the IBOC sideband hash.

If you're listening on a pocket radio, however....you may not notice
anything.

With FM stations, the local stations' sound isn't affected, but their
IBOC sidebands will still block out first-adjacent out-of-town
signals.

Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA


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Your old radios will still work; the high-definition (HD) signal
that's currently in use is compatible with good old-fashioned AM
receivers. This is because the digital information is placed (in
frequency) above and below the analog signal. There are couple of HD
stations here in the Washington DC area, and on any AM receiver I've
used so far, including my antique tube radios, this digital "hash" has
not bleed through to the audio stages. When accurately tuned to an HD
station, the voice and music sound just as it always has.

The Ibiquity website has information on how this all works, and at one
time, you could download a couple of conference papers describing how
the HD signal is formatted. Go to the following link and start
fishing around:

http://www.ibiquity.com/hd_radio/hdr...w_does_it_work

There's concern that HD signals cause interference because the digital
information is placed in what are often referred to as "guard bands,"
essentially the blank space on the dial between local stations.
Indeed, when you tune across an HD signal you hear hash, then clean
audio, then hash again. Consequently, to date the FCC has only
allowed HD signal to be broadcast during daytime when AM radio signals
travel shorter distances. However, this restriction may have been
lifted recently. Perhaps other posters can comment on this.

Personally, I'm indifferent as whether HD radio is here to stay or
ultimately proves to be a wash. If it does gain a foothold, and the
public enthusiastically buys new receivers to hear it, then it could
breathe new life back into AM radio, which has been moribund for
years. Right now, I'm not inclined to cough up $200 for a new AM
radio, but if the price were a third of that, I might be interested.

Finally, if HD radio becomes a permanent presence on the AM band, I
imagine it will be decades before a completely digital version is
adopted, if at all. AM broadcasting has been with us since 1922 and
there are millions of analog-only receivers out there. I therefore
imagine broadcasters much favor the current backward-compatible HD
format, because adopting it won't mean shutting out entire audiences.

-Dave Drumheller

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