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On Sep 9, 6:37 am, "Billy Smith" wrote:
Made in China Posted August 6th, 2007 by rabach in a.. Globalization Fellow Americans, The time to wake up and quit buying poisoned junk from China is now. Not only has China imported tons of good paying American jobs but they are exporting tainted products. Are they intentionally trying to kill us? Are the corporations that are using or manufacturing goods in China purposely involved in a international conspiracy to kill and demoralize us while using China as the target for blame rather than them? First off the vast majority of Chinese goods are not inherently dangerous. Secondly the Chinese are not forcing us to buy their goods. We are choosing to buy them. We are choosing to buy them in great numbers because we all like a bargain. If you are concerned about buying merchandise from china, the solution is staring back at you in the mirror. All you have to do is stop buying goods from china. But if you are concerned about goods from china you should be equally concerned about goods from all low cost countries. Don't forget you have to include Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Korea, Mexico, most of south america, all os eastern europe, all of africa and the middle east. And that's only part of the list. Lotsa luck bud. |
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Roadie wrote:
On Sep 14, 4:54 pm, Zeke Zzzppt wrote: Roadie wrote: Secondly the Chinese are not forcing us to buy their goods. We are choosing to buy them. We are choosing to buy them in great numbers because we all like a bargain. If you are concerned about buying merchandise from china, the solution is staring back at you in the mirror. All you have to do is stop buying goods from china. Unfortunately, what you say is true, but only in theory. It seems that due to greed of the manufactures (and consumers), almost everything is made in China. Almost everything is made in China? Huh??? Almost everything means some impossibly high percentage like 90% of all of the things we buy comes from China. And I'm sure you know that is not the case. Well, I didn't specify an exact number, but seeing as you ask, consider the following: I think most people would consider Wal-Mart a "general purpose" store; i.e. they carry a VERY wide variety of merchandise, everything from bed pans to brake pads. Having said that, for the last couple of years it has been widely published in various media outlets that 85% of this wide variety of items on Wal-Mart's shelves are made in China. So, even though I said "almost everything" is made in China, I consider 85% as 'almost'. A large majority of our manufactures have long since gone off shore. Well, it is time for those who believe the "Made In China" label to take a stand and buy goods from somewhere else. Or make what they need rather than buy it. But why pick on China alone. I'm not. My exact quote was "China (or some other Third World country)". Have you considered what goes into producing vegetables from Mexico or farm raised fish in Chile? I don't know what you mean by "goes into", but yes, I fully realize other countries besides China produce things. Unfortunately for this country, every item produced elsewhere, China or otherwise, is one less job for an American. But lets not forget why there are more goods on the retailers shelf from China, Mexico, Indonesia, Eastern Europe, Chile, etc. It is because we as consumers voted at the consumers ballot box by purchasing the lowest cost item. We all love a bargain, and I'm sure you do too. As we all know the lowest cost of production is usually somewhere else. Well, that's what makes it such a conundrum -- people DO like cheap; however, I contend that if you don't have a job, ultimately it won't matter how cheap a product is. So, if buying locally is truly important it's 'truly important' only if you ultimately want to have a decent job... then it is time for you and others like you to stop whining and start taking action by changing their buying habits. Implement a solution rather than voice vagu complaints. First, I'm sorry to hear that you consider open discussion as 'whining'. Secondly, by having this open discussion, maybe that IS 'taking action'. Beyond whining on rec.radio.shortwave Again, IMHO, to call open debate 'whining' is rude and thoughtless on your part. what have you done to eliminate the consumption of non USA produced goods from your family's budget. I suggest that you stop talking and organize enough like-minded folks Well, gee, I thought that having an open debate is a way to start organizing people. Ooops, sorry, I forgot -- it's just whining. ;-) to start buying only goods from the country(ies) that you want to buy from. If enough others agree with you there will indeed be a change in the goods available at the retailer. Retailers respond to consumer demand and if enough of us say we are willing to pay more for USA produced goods then those will be produced. If as I suspect you are in a very small minority then no change will occur. At least no change will occur until the very last well paying job has been exported overseas, and by then it will probably be too late... |
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On Sep 15, 2:12 pm, Zeke Zzzppt wrote:
Roadie wrote: On Sep 14, 4:54 pm, Zeke Zzzppt wrote: Roadie wrote: Secondly the Chinese are not forcing us to buy their goods. We are choosing to buy them. We are choosing to buy them in great numbers because we all like a bargain. If you are concerned about buying merchandise from china, the solution is staring back at you in the mirror. All you have to do is stop buying goods from china. Unfortunately, what you say is true, but only in theory. It seems that due to greed of the manufactures (and consumers), almost everything is made in China. Almost everything is made in China? Huh??? Almost everything means some impossibly high percentage like 90% of all of the things we buy comes from China. And I'm sure you know that is not the case. Well, I didn't specify an exact number, but seeing as you ask, consider the following: I think most people would consider Wal-Mart a "general purpose" store; i.e. they carry a VERY wide variety of merchandise, everything from bed pans to brake pads. Having said that, for the last couple of years it has been widely published in various media outlets that 85% of this wide variety of items on Wal-Mart's shelves are made in China. Not possible if all items in the store are counted. So, even though I said "almost everything" is made in China, I consider 85% as 'almost'. A large majority of our manufactures have long since gone off shore. Who cares??? If we have lost all tose jobs, I wonder how so many of our workforce remains employed. Do you suppose it is because they have found other jobs? Look at the unemployment rates. Well, it is time for those who believe the "Made In China" label to take a stand and buy goods from somewhere else. Or make what they need rather than buy it. But why pick on China alone. I'm not. My exact quote was "China (or some other Third World country)". Have you considered what goes into producing vegetables from Mexico or farm raised fish in Chile? I don't know what you mean by "goes into", but yes, I fully realize other countries besides China produce things. Unfortunately for this country, every item produced elsewhere, China or otherwise, is one less job for an American. Then please stop talking about what a problem this is and do something. Start by purchasing goods only from USA companies. It can be done if you are willing to make the financial committment. I suspect that you are not up to making such a committment however. You would rather have it both ways by making yourself feel good that you are supporting the USA with all of your rhetoric while enjoying the benefits of ever low prices from third world producers. But lets not forget why there are more goods on the retailers shelf from China, Mexico, Indonesia, Eastern Europe, Chile, etc. It is because we as consumers voted at the consumers ballot box by purchasing the lowest cost item. We all love a bargain, and I'm sure you do too. As we all know the lowest cost of production is usually somewhere else. Well, that's what makes it such a conundrum -- people DO like cheap; however, I contend that if you don't have a job, ultimately it won't matter how cheap a product is. You have a choice to make, but you cannot have it both ways. If you are willing to pay for products what were made by workers paid USA wages then you will have to pay the price. But I'm gonna guess that despite all the rhetoric on rec.radio.shortwave that when it really comnes down to making a purchase you will do as every one else does. Continue shopping for the lowest price. That's how that good old American Boy Sam Walton became so rich - delivering the lowest possible price goods from overseas and USA manufacturers. So, if buying locally is truly important it's 'truly important' only if you ultimately want to have a decent job... It's up to you - make a choice. Either pay a premium and buy from american companies or get a cheap price and buy from a foreign supplier. then it is time for you and others like you to stop whining and start taking action by changing their buying habits. Implement a solution rather than voice vagu complaints. First, I'm sorry to hear that you consider open discussion as 'whining'. Secondly, by having this open discussion, maybe that IS 'taking action'. No, you are not changing your habits to match your rhetoric. You sound so concerned about goods from non-USA companies being purchased here in the USA. But when it comes down to making a choice you continue to opt for goods from the lowest price chinese or other third world company. Beyond whining on rec.radio.shortwave Again, IMHO, to call open debate 'whining' is rude and thoughtless on your part. what have you done to eliminate the consumption of non USA produced goods from your family's budget. I suggest that you stop talking and organize enough like-minded folks Well, gee, I thought that having an open debate is a way to start organizing people. Ooops, sorry, I forgot -- it's just whining. ;-) to start buying only goods from the country(ies) that you want to buy from. If enough others agree with you there will indeed be a change in the goods available at the retailer. Retailers respond to consumer demand and if enough of us say we are willing to pay more for USA produced goods then those will be produced. If as I suspect you are in a very small minority then no change will occur. At least no change will occur until the very last well paying job has been exported overseas, and by then it will probably be too late... |
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On Sep 15, 11:12 am, Zeke Zzzppt wrote:
Roadie wrote: On Sep 14, 4:54 pm, Zeke Zzzppt wrote: Roadie wrote: Secondly the Chinese are not forcing us to buy their goods. We are choosing to buy them. We are choosing to buy them in great numbers because we all like a bargain. If you are concerned about buying merchandise from china, the solution is staring back at you in the mirror. All you have to do is stop buying goods from china. Unfortunately, what you say is true, but only in theory. It seems that due to greed of the manufactures (and consumers), almost everything is made in China. Almost everything is made in China? Huh??? Almost everything means some impossibly high percentage like 90% of all of the things we buy comes from China. And I'm sure you know that is not the case. Well, I didn't specify an exact number, but seeing as you ask, consider the following: I think most people would consider Wal-Mart a "general purpose" store; i.e. they carry a VERY wide variety of merchandise, everything from bed pans to brake pads. - Having said that, for the last couple of years it has - been widely published in various media outlets that - 85% of this wide variety of items on Wal-Mart's - shelves are made in China. So, even The 5th Largest World Wide Trading Partner with China is Not A Country - It Is Wal*Mart ! though I said "almost everything" is made in China, I consider 85% as 'almost'. A large majority of our manufactures have long since gone off shore. Well, it is time for those who believe the "Made In China" label to take a stand and buy goods from somewhere else. Or make what they need rather than buy it. But why pick on China alone. I'm not. My exact quote was "China (or some other Third World country)". Have you considered what goes into producing vegetables from Mexico or farm raised fish in Chile? I don't know what you mean by "goes into", but yes, I fully realize other countries besides China produce things. Unfortunately for this country, every item produced elsewhere, China or otherwise, is one less job for an American. But lets not forget why there are more goods on the retailers shelf from China, Mexico, Indonesia, Eastern Europe, Chile, etc. It is because we as consumers voted at the consumers ballot box by purchasing the lowest cost item. We all love a bargain, and I'm sure you do too. As we all know the lowest cost of production is usually somewhere else. Well, that's what makes it such a conundrum -- people DO like cheap; however, I contend that if you don't have a job, ultimately it won't matter how cheap a product is. So, if buying locally is truly important it's 'truly important' only if you ultimately want to have a decent job... then it is time for you and others like you to stop whining and start taking action by changing their buying habits. Implement a solution rather than voice vagu complaints. First, I'm sorry to hear that you consider open discussion as 'whining'. Secondly, by having this open discussion, maybe that IS 'taking action'. Beyond whining on rec.radio.shortwave Again, IMHO, to call open debate 'whining' is rude and thoughtless on your part. what have you done to eliminate the consumption of non USA produced goods from your family's budget. I suggest that you stop talking and organize enough like-minded folks Well, gee, I thought that having an open debate is a way to start organizing people. Ooops, sorry, I forgot -- it's just whining. ;-) to start buying only goods from the country(ies) that you want to buy from. If enough others agree with you there will indeed be a change in the goods available at the retailer. Retailers respond to consumer demand and if enough of us say we are willing to pay more for USA produced goods then those will be produced. If as I suspect you are in a very small minority then no change will occur. At least no change will occur until the very last well paying job has been exported overseas, and by then it will probably be too late... |
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Roadie wrote:
On Sep 15, 2:12 pm, Zeke Zzzppt wrote: Roadie wrote: On Sep 14, 4:54 pm, Zeke Zzzppt wrote: Roadie wrote: Secondly the Chinese are not forcing us to buy their goods. We are choosing to buy them. We are choosing to buy them in great numbers because we all like a bargain. If you are concerned about buying merchandise from china, the solution is staring back at you in the mirror. All you have to do is stop buying goods from china. Unfortunately, what you say is true, but only in theory. It seems that due to greed of the manufactures (and consumers), almost everything is made in China. Almost everything is made in China? Huh??? Almost everything means some impossibly high percentage like 90% of all of the things we buy comes from China. And I'm sure you know that is not the case. Well, I didn't specify an exact number, but seeing as you ask, consider the following: I think most people would consider Wal-Mart a "general purpose" store; i.e. they carry a VERY wide variety of merchandise, everything from bed pans to brake pads. Having said that, for the last couple of years it has been widely published in various media outlets that 85% of this wide variety of items on Wal-Mart's shelves are made in China. Not possible if all items in the store are counted. Well, I personally have not inventoried the Wal-Mart shelves. However, the 85% figure is widely published and accepted (nor has it been denied by Wal-Mart). Also, Roy (RHF) graciously provided the fact that China's fifth largest trading partner is not a country but Wal-Mart. So, even though I said "almost everything" is made in China, I consider 85% as 'almost'. A large majority of our manufactures have long since gone off shore. Who cares??? If we have lost all tose jobs, I wonder how so many of our workforce remains employed. Do you suppose it is because they have found other jobs? Look at the unemployment rates. I would suggest that you look at the rules behind the unemployment rates; if you have reported yourself as unemployed, and have NOT found a job within 6 months, you are DROPPED from the unemployment report -- even though you are STILL unemployed. Certainly, some have found jobs -- although many of those relatively well-paid down-sized workers have later found work, in many (most?) instances, not at their previous level of pay. Throughout this discussion, I have been referring to the loss of relatively well paying jobs, not "Do you want fries with that" or being the Wal-Mart greeter type of jobs. Well, it is time for those who believe the "Made In China" label to take a stand and buy goods from somewhere else. Or make what they need rather than buy it. But why pick on China alone. I'm not. My exact quote was "China (or some other Third World country)". Have you considered what goes into producing vegetables from Mexico or farm raised fish in Chile? I don't know what you mean by "goes into", but yes, I fully realize other countries besides China produce things. Unfortunately for this country, every item produced elsewhere, China or otherwise, is one less job for an American. Then please stop talking about what a problem this is and do something. Start by purchasing goods only from USA companies. If you do a bit of research, you will find that, even though they are "USA" companies, the manufacturing (read former decent paying American jobs), is being done overseas. I'm sorry to rain on your parade, but fewer and fewer items are actually being manufactured in the USA. It can be done if you are willing to make the financial committment. I suspect that you are not up to making such a committment however. You would rather have it both ways by making yourself feel good that you are supporting the USA with all of your rhetoric while enjoying the benefits of ever low prices from third world producers. Not true. See above which states that actual USA manufacturing is becoming an extremely rare breed. Furthermore, although I consider myself an informed consumer, I do NOT shop at Wal-Mart; only been there once and that was an emergency situation. But lets not forget why there are more goods on the retailers shelf from China, Mexico, Indonesia, Eastern Europe, Chile, etc. It is because we as consumers voted at the consumers ballot box by purchasing the lowest cost item. We all love a bargain, and I'm sure you do too. As we all know the lowest cost of production is usually somewhere else. Well, that's what makes it such a conundrum -- people DO like cheap; however, I contend that if you don't have a job, ultimately it won't matter how cheap a product is. You have a choice to make, but you cannot have it both ways. If you are willing to pay for products what were made by workers paid USA wages then you will have to pay the price. But I'm gonna guess that despite all the rhetoric on rec.radio.shortwave that when it really comnes down to making a purchase you will do as every one else does. Continue shopping for the lowest price. That's how that good old American Boy Sam Walton became so rich - delivering the lowest possible price goods from overseas and USA manufacturers. see comment below So, if buying locally is truly important it's 'truly important' only if you ultimately want to have a decent job... It's up to you - make a choice. Either pay a premium and buy from american companies or get a cheap price and buy from a foreign supplier. see comment below then it is time for you and others like you to stop whining and start taking action by changing their buying habits. Implement a solution rather than voice vagu complaints. First, I'm sorry to hear that you consider open discussion as 'whining'. Secondly, by having this open discussion, maybe that IS 'taking action'. No, you are not changing your habits to match your rhetoric. You sound so concerned about goods from non-USA companies being purchased here in the USA. But when it comes down to making a choice you continue to opt for goods from the lowest price chinese or other third world company. Comment below: One last time: Even though you keep referring to "American" companies, the actual manufacturing (the former well-paying American jobs) are now being done overseas. In many (but not all cases), all the "American" company manufacturing overseas does is take advantage of the low Third World labor rates, passing along very little of the labor savings to American consumers. Look at the toy industry; 80% of all toys are made in China. Yet toys, even from "American" companies seem to cost about what they always have, even though they are made overseas at a spectacularly lower labor rate. So, where did most of the labor savings go, if not into the pocket of the "American" companies, hmmm? Finally, and again not to rain on your parade, buying from "American" companies is NOT the issue. The issue IS to try and find a product actually made by American workers in this country... and good luck with that endeavor! |
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On Sep 16, 12:39 pm, Zeke Zzzppt wrote:
Roadie wrote: On Sep 15, 2:12 pm, Zeke Zzzppt wrote: Roadie wrote: On Sep 14, 4:54 pm, Zeke Zzzppt wrote: Roadie wrote: Secondly the Chinese are not forcing us to buy their goods. We are choosing to buy them. We are choosing to buy them in great numbers because we all like a bargain. If you are concerned about buying merchandise from china, the solution is staring back at you in the mirror. All you have to do is stop buying goods from china. Unfortunately, what you say is true, but only in theory. It seems that due to greed of the manufactures (and consumers), almost everything is made in China. Almost everything is made in China? Huh??? Almost everything means some impossibly high percentage like 90% of all of the things we buy comes from China. And I'm sure you know that is not the case. Well, I didn't specify an exact number, but seeing as you ask, consider the following: I think most people would consider Wal-Mart a "general purpose" store; i.e. they carry a VERY wide variety of merchandise, everything from bed pans to brake pads. Having said that, for the last couple of years it has been widely published in various media outlets that 85% of this wide variety of items on Wal-Mart's shelves are made in China. Not possible if all items in the store are counted. Well, I personally have not inventoried the Wal-Mart shelves. However, the 85% figure is widely published and accepted (nor has it been denied by Wal-Mart). Also, Roy (RHF) graciously provided the fact that China's fifth largest trading partner is not a country but Wal-Mart. So, even though I said "almost everything" is made in China, I consider 85% as 'almost'. A large majority of our manufactures have long since gone off shore. Who cares??? If we have lost all tose jobs, I wonder how so many of our workforce remains employed. Do you suppose it is because they have found other jobs? Look at the unemployment rates. I would suggest that you look at the rules behind the unemployment rates; if you have reported yourself as unemployed, and have NOT found a job within 6 months, you are DROPPED from the unemployment report -- even though you are STILL unemployed. Certainly, some have found jobs -- although many of those relatively well-paid down-sized workers have later found work, in many (most?) instances, not at their previous level of pay. Throughout this discussion, I have been referring to the loss of relatively well paying jobs, not "Do you want fries with that" or being the Wal-Mart greeter type of jobs. Well, it is time for those who believe the "Made In China" label to take a stand and buy goods from somewhere else. Or make what they need rather than buy it. But why pick on China alone. I'm not. My exact quote was "China (or some other Third World country)". Have you considered what goes into producing vegetables from Mexico or farm raised fish in Chile? I don't know what you mean by "goes into", but yes, I fully realize other countries besides China produce things. Unfortunately for this country, every item produced elsewhere, China or otherwise, is one less job for an American. Then please stop talking about what a problem this is and do something. Start by purchasing goods only from USA companies. If you do a bit of research, you will find that, even though they are "USA" companies, the manufacturing (read former decent paying American jobs), is being done overseas. I'm sorry to rain on your parade, but fewer and fewer items are actually being manufactured in the USA. It can be done if you are willing to make the financial committment. I suspect that you are not up to making such a committment however. You would rather have it both ways by making yourself feel good that you are supporting the USA with all of your rhetoric while enjoying the benefits of ever low prices from third world producers. Not true. See above which states that actual USA manufacturing is becoming an extremely rare breed. Furthermore, although I consider myself an informed consumer, I do NOT shop at Wal-Mart; only been there once and that was an emergency situation. But lets not forget why there are more goods on the retailers shelf from China, Mexico, Indonesia, Eastern Europe, Chile, etc. It is because we as consumers voted at the consumers ballot box by purchasing the lowest cost item. We all love a bargain, and I'm sure you do too. As we all know the lowest cost of production is usually somewhere else. Well, that's what makes it such a conundrum -- people DO like cheap; however, I contend that if you don't have a job, ultimately it won't matter how cheap a product is. You have a choice to make, but you cannot have it both ways. If you are willing to pay for products what were made by workers paid USA wages then you will have to pay the price. But I'm gonna guess that despite all the rhetoric on rec.radio.shortwave that when it really comnes down to making a purchase you will do as every one else does. Continue shopping for the lowest price. That's how that good old American Boy Sam Walton became so rich - delivering the lowest possible price goods from overseas and USA manufacturers. see comment below So, if buying locally is truly important it's 'truly important' only if you ultimately want to have a decent job... It's up to you - make a choice. Either pay a premium and buy from american companies or get a cheap price and buy from a foreign supplier. see comment below then it is time for you and others like you to stop whining and start taking action by changing their buying habits. Implement a solution rather than voice vagu complaints. First, I'm sorry to hear that you consider open discussion as 'whining'. Secondly, by having this open discussion, maybe that IS 'taking action'. No, you are not changing your habits to match your rhetoric. You sound so concerned about goods from non-USA companies being purchased here in the USA. But when it comes down to making a choice you continue to opt for goods from the lowest price chinese or other third world company. Comment below: One last time: Even though you keep referring to "American" companies, the actual manufacturing (the former well-paying American jobs) are now being done overseas. In many (but not all cases), all the "American" company manufacturing overseas does is take advantage of the low Third World labor rates, passing along very little of the labor savings to American consumers. Look at the toy industry; 80% of all toys are made in China. Yet toys, even from "American" companies seem to cost about what they always have, even though they are made overseas at a spectacularly lower labor rate. So, where did most of the labor savings go, if not into the pocket of the "American" companies, hmmm? Finally, and again not to rain on your parade, buying from "American" companies is NOT the issue. The issue IS to try and find a product actually made by American workers in this country... and good luck with that endeavor!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - To Whom It May Be - Who Is Concerned : The MATH on the 85% "NUMB3R" for Wal*Mart is "Actually" composed of Two Numbers : # 1 - Wal*Mart Branded Products and Items which Wal*Mart directly imports from China (PRC). {The Smaller Number} # 2 - Products and Items from China (PRC) supplied by 'other' US and Global Companies; who Import and Distribute them to Wal*Mart for sale by Wal*Mart. {The Larger Number} THE TOTAL - The Aggregate is said to be about 85% EXAMPLES : Wal*Mart sells an Emerson 20" LCD Stereo TV/DVD Combo Model : EWL20D6 Assembled in Country of Origin : Imported Origin of Components : Most from China CAUTION - Wal*Mart HIDES the Country of Origin for most of what they sell by claiming that the "Assembled in Country of Origin" and "Origin of Components" are {Generically} listed as "USA and/or Imported" ? -WTF- Does "USA and/or Imported" mean ? RCA 32" LCD HDTV with Digital Tuner Model : L32WD22 Assembled in Country of Origin : USA and/or Imported Origin of Components : USA and/or Imported Oregon Scientific Genoa Alarm Clock Weather Station with Motion Sensor - Model JMR868A Assembled in Country of Origin : USA and/or Imported Origin of Components : USA and/or Imported Kodak 7.1 MP EasyShare Z712 Digital Camera w/ 12x Optical Zoom, Image Stabilization Assembled in Country of Origin : USA and/or Imported Origin of Components : USA and/or Imported Canon 6 MP PowerShot S3 IS Digital Camera w/ 12x Optical Zoom & Image Stabilization Assembled in Country of Origin : USA and/or Imported Origin of Components : USA and/or Imported Mr. Coffee 12-Cup Steel Programmable Coffeemaker Model : ISX43 Assembled in Country of Origin : USA and/or Imported Origin of Components : USA and/or Imported Coca-Cola Personal Compact Refrigerator Assembled in Country of Origin : USA and/or Imported Origin of Components : USA and/or Imported Sauder Mission-Style Corner Entertainment Center Assembled in Country of Origin : USA Origin of Components : USA and/or Imported -Note- Of course it is Assembled in the USA -cause- it is a KIT that requires "Assembly" by the Buyer - DOH ! ~ RHF |
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I remember back in either the late 1960s or early 1970s, I read an
article in a magazine about America was going to become more and more a service industry and America was going to lose a lot of American manufacturing jobs, in America. That includes Farming jobs in Ameica too.Just today, I read an article on the internet about more and American farmers are renting land in Mexico to grow there crops in Mexico and the crops are sent to America.Chelaya,Mexico is one of those areas. cuhulin |
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