On Sep 23, 6:34 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

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Not by either iBiquity or receiver manufacturers. Those who were
discussing
this possibility were speculating, and we could have had better data by
calling Miss Cleo.

Explicity and frequently by iBiquity.

Again, at a 2005 meeting of all or PDs and GMs, I asked, "when is a low
power chip going to be available to allow portables and luggables?"

The CEO of iBiquity said, "non is available, in development or being
planned." He then went on to describe the power consumption of DACs and how
he hoped the offshoot of devices like the iPod would eventually create more
efficient chips and that the technology could be applied to HD.

I can find no reference to this. In 2004, the only chipsets were
literally
prototypes for very limited production sepcialt radios.

Look harder.

Nothing was said in '04 about portable devices except "we hope they can
figure this one out."



Actually, not according to the CEO of Samsung, who predicts that their
chipsets will be among the most expensive.

In correct. The new chipsets will be considerably less expensive than the
existing ones. See press releases on iBiquity website.

Not according to Samsung. They predict that the chipsets will be very
expensive indeed.

No, they don't.

Yes, they do.

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message

That was June, 2007. It was a requirement for manufactureers to begin
development, even if there was no FCC approval and few receivers


They started making and retailing radios before the start date?

"They" is a few second or third tier specialty manufacturers and one or two
others with a single offering at a high price to satisfy a need for a
monitor receiver at the converting stations.

The $200 million radio ad campaign was a year and a half before the start
date?

This was one of the requirements of the interested manufacturers.... and it
actually started about 9 months prior to FCC approval of HD. The $200
million figure is the value of airtime contributed by HD Alliance
stations... by no means all the HD stations on the air at the time.

"HD digital radio receivers are currently manufactured by more than 15
companies, including Audio Design Associates, Kenwood, Alpine, Panasonic,
Boston Acoustics, Polk, Day Sequerra, Radiosophy, Delphi, Rotel, DICE,
Sanyo, Eclipse (Fujitsu), Yamaha, JVC and Visteon."

Very limited lines, totaling less than a dozen models, some hard to get.
Many were first generation, like the dreadful BA Receptor.

On Sep 24, 8:45 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message

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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
That was June, 2007. It was a requirement for manufactureers to begin
development, even if there was no FCC approval and few receivers

They started making and retailing radios before the start date?

"They" is a few second or third tier specialty manufacturers and one or two
others with a single offering at a high price to satisfy a need for a
monitor receiver at the converting stations.

The $200 million radio ad campaign was a year and a half before the start
date?

This was one of the requirements of the interested manufacturers.... and it
actually started about 9 months prior to FCC approval of HD. The $200
million figure is the value of airtime contributed by HD Alliance
stations... by no means all the HD stations on the air at the time.



"HD digital radio receivers are currently manufactured by more than 15
companies, including Audio Design Associates, Kenwood, Alpine, Panasonic,
Boston Acoustics, Polk, Day Sequerra, Radiosophy, Delphi, Rotel, DICE,
Sanyo, Eclipse (Fujitsu), Yamaha, JVC and Visteon."

Very limited lines, totaling less than a dozen models, some hard to get.
Many were first generation, like the dreadful BA Receptor.

According to iBiquity, the Receptor is probably the best that is
achievable.

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message

That was June, 2007. It was a requirement for manufactureers to begin
development, even if there was no FCC approval and few receivers


They started making and retailing radios before the start date?

"They" is a few second or third tier specialty manufacturers and one or
two
others with a single offering at a high price to satisfy a need for a
monitor receiver at the converting stations.

Ibiquity was blowing smoke back then? I'm shocked!!!



The $200 million radio ad campaign was a year and a half before the
start
date?

This was one of the requirements of the interested manufacturers.... and
it
actually started about 9 months prior to FCC approval of HD. The $200
million figure is the value of airtime contributed by HD Alliance
stations... by no means all the HD stations on the air at the time.


The dateline on the linked page is Feb. 21, 2006. To be fair, the article
said the ad campaign was "As promised and ahead of schedule". I know I was
hearing the ads in March or April. So maybe it was more like a year than a
year and a half. You like nine months, fine. Just for the hell of it, we
can call it six months.

That's not the point.

The point is that HD radio, for whatever reason, was being widely promoted
before the buying public even knew it was well before the offical "start
date".



"HD digital radio receivers are currently manufactured by more than 15
companies, including Audio Design Associates, Kenwood, Alpine,
Panasonic,
Boston Acoustics, Polk, Day Sequerra, Radiosophy, Delphi, Rotel, DICE,
Sanyo, Eclipse (Fujitsu), Yamaha, JVC and Visteon."

Very limited lines, totaling less than a dozen models, some hard to get.
Many were first generation, like the dreadful BA Receptor.



Yeah, those pre-starts were rough. A big promotion for expensive, crummy
radios to receive mostly simulcasts and also-ran programming.

Good luck with your next few start dates!


Frank Dresser

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
date?

This was one of the requirements of the interested manufacturers.... and
it
actually started about 9 months prior to FCC approval of HD. The $200
million figure is the value of airtime contributed by HD Alliance
stations... by no means all the HD stations on the air at the time.


The dateline on the linked page is Feb. 21, 2006. To be fair, the article
said the ad campaign was "As promised and ahead of schedule". I know I
was
hearing the ads in March or April. So maybe it was more like a year than
a
year and a half. You like nine months, fine. Just for the hell of it, we
can call it six months.

Yhe HD Alliance campaign started around June, 2006. That is less than a year
before the FCC approval; many stations were promoting on their own prior to
that, though.

That's not the point.

The point is that HD radio, for whatever reason, was being widely promoted
before the buying public even knew it was well before the offical "start
date".

Any station that started HD broadcasts would, on their own, promote it. Not
all are part of the Alliance, nor did all run the Alliance spots. Several of
the top 10 largest broadcast companies are not even HD Alliance members,
although they have HD stations running.

For most manufacturers, the FCC approval was the start date.

"Steve" wrote in message
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On Sep 24, 8:45 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Very limited lines, totaling less than a dozen models, some hard to get.
Many were first generation, like the dreadful BA Receptor.

According to iBiquity, the Receptor is probably the best that is
achievable.


It had a crummy 1st generation chipset, and a lousy front end: it is nowhere
near as good as the monaural non-HD Receptor. And it was discontinued.

On Sep 23, 8:48 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
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On Sep 22, 8:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Nobody with any actual knowledge thought there would be portables in
2006.

Not true. The availability of portables was predicted well before
2006.

Not by either iBiquity or receiver manufacturers. Those who were
discussing
this possibility were speculating, and we could have had better data by
calling Miss Cleo.

Snip

You would know better than any other poster about Miss Cleo.

HD radios were originally supposed to be out more than a year ago
including portables. I see you are now into revising history.

Any reliable source reported, through Spring of this year, that there was no
chip capable of the battery drain requirements of a portable. Now that
Samsung and others have announced low cost low power chips, we can now
predict portables around Q2 or Q3 of 2008.

There were HD radios out nearly 4 years ago. However, they were really
limited in production, marketed mostly to the engineering staffs of early HD
stations. The HD system was developed to first get stations on, then get
some early receivers, then get more stations on, then get FCC approval and
then get mass production. That was the only way manufacturers could have the
necessary guarantees: they wanted about half the total radio listening to be
to HD equipped stations and coverage of about 2/3 of the population of the
US... both goals have been achieved now.- Hide quoted text -

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If there had been any buzz with HD Radio, as with the iPhone, all of
us would have heard about it.

On Sep 23, 9:39 pm, Telamon
wrote:
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"David Eduardo" wrote:





"Steve" wrote in message
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On Sep 23, 6:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

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On Sep 23, 4:02 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

In correct. The new chipsets will be considerably less expensive than
the
existing ones. See press releases on iBiquity website.

Not according to Samsung. They predict that the chipsets will be very
expensive indeed.

You are making things up again.

Samsung's words, not mine. You're just playing some kind of joke on
us, right?

Every article I could find mentioned that the chips would be low in energy
consumption and in price. I found nothing referring to higher prices than
existing chipset costs.

I looked around on on the Samsung web site and the only reference I
could find is the original announcement #172.

There is no information on engineering samples of this module. Not a
good sign for its development. There should be at least a projection of
samples by now according to the news release. Looks like more vaporware
to me.

http://www.sem.samsung.com/cms/_work/en/company/news/newsList.jsp

Looks like Eduardo will be pulling that diehard battery cart so far.

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Telamon
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SiPort was also shilling for a low-power HD chipset, but no word
anymore from them - must have given up.

On Sep 24, 8:45 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message

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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
That was June, 2007. It was a requirement for manufactureers to begin
development, even if there was no FCC approval and few receivers

They started making and retailing radios before the start date?

"They" is a few second or third tier specialty manufacturers and one or two
others with a single offering at a high price to satisfy a need for a
monitor receiver at the converting stations.

The $200 million radio ad campaign was a year and a half before the start
date?

This was one of the requirements of the interested manufacturers.... and it
actually started about 9 months prior to FCC approval of HD. The $200
million figure is the value of airtime contributed by HD Alliance
stations... by no means all the HD stations on the air at the time.



"HD digital radio receivers are currently manufactured by more than 15
companies, including Audio Design Associates, Kenwood, Alpine, Panasonic,
Boston Acoustics, Polk, Day Sequerra, Radiosophy, Delphi, Rotel, DICE,
Sanyo, Eclipse (Fujitsu), Yamaha, JVC and Visteon."

Very limited lines, totaling less than a dozen models, some hard to get.
Many were first generation, like the dreadful BA Receptor.

"But is "availability" of HD radios the problem?"

"They can't find the radios even if they want one. That's one way some
folks explain HD radio's sputtering sales. But now that Best Buy is
coming into the fold of retailers that offer HD radio products
nationwide, it will be impossible to say that "availability" is a
problem, because that availability will generally be universal. Chalk
off one excuse from the pile of excuses theoretically explaining HD's
lack of momentum."

http://www.hear2.com/2007/04/but_is_availabi.html

Ramsey must be talking about you, oh Fake Hispanic!

dxAce wrote:

John Barnard wrote:

dxAce wrote:
m II wrote:

dxAcehole, Creator of all Universes and Supreme Commander United
Militias (S.C.U.M.) wrote:

2008! Damn, time sure has flown by since you adopted the 'Eduardo' shtick back in
2000.
That reminds me..it's been DECADES since your foster family, in
reference to YOU, claimed:

=======================================
“Some people are like slinkies......
Not really good for anything, but they will still bring a smile to your
face when you push them down the stairs.
=======================================

Remember how long you were in a body cast? Three months, if I recall.
Remember how long you've been a dumbass Canuck? Since you were born, if I recall.



Alcohol impairs memory and recall. Hence, your recall is not to be trusted.

You're a dumbass Canuck. Therefore, like a faux Hispanic, you are not to be trusted.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



You seem to have a hard time keeping track of just how little Miami you
are let alone anyone of Hispanic extraction. Lay off the booze and
maybe, just maybe, you'll be able to keep track of your lineage.

JB