David Eduardo wrote:

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On Sep 24, 9:33 pm, Telamon
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"David Eduardo" wrote:

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Well you can use a Beverage antenna for SW as well. I might have to
put
one across the way here in a few days when I get some more material.
The idea of a Beverage is to have a multiple wavelength antenna.
Multiple
wavelengths on SW frequencies are much shorter, and many longwires are,
in
essence, possesing those properties already.


- No that would not be correct.
- A Beverage is a special case antenna
- different from long wire antenna.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California

A Beverage is a specific kind of long wire, generally wavelength or
multiples, which can operate well low off the ground (MW Beverages are often
on sticks in the ground) and is grounded at one end and end, not center,
fed. Like other antennas, they can be used in multiples to create
directional patters and "moving" directionality by means of a phasor.

It doesn't have to be grounded at one end, though it can be, to reduce reception
off the back end of the wire. In that case the ground should be at the end
reception is desired from.

The longer the wire (in wavelengths) the greater the gain and the greater the
directionality with respect to the direction(s) the wire is running.

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dxAce wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:

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On Sep 24, 9:33 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Billy Smith" wrote in message
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Well you can use a Beverage antenna for SW as well. I might
have to put one across the way here in a few days when I get
some more material.
The idea of a Beverage is to have a multiple wavelength
antenna. Multiple wavelengths on SW frequencies are much
shorter, and many longwires are, in essence, possesing those
properties already.


- No that would not be correct. - A Beverage is a special case
antenna - different from long wire antenna. - - -- - Telamon -
Ventura, California

A Beverage is a specific kind of long wire, generally wavelength or
multiples, which can operate well low off the ground (MW Beverages
are often on sticks in the ground) and is grounded at one end and
end, not center, fed. Like other antennas, they can be used in
multiples to create directional patters and "moving" directionality
by means of a phasor.

It doesn't have to be grounded at one end, though it can be, to
reduce reception off the back end of the wire. In that case the
ground should be at the end reception is desired from.

The longer the wire (in wavelengths) the greater the gain and the
greater the directionality with respect to the direction(s) the wire
is running.

Good response DxAce.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
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The longer the wire (in wavelengths) the greater the gain and the
greater the directionality with respect to the direction(s) the wire
is running.

Good response DxAce.

In all likelihood, dxAss has never put up a true MW Beverage, or gone on an
AM DXpedition where one builds one or more of an afternoon, hopes the local
vertebrates don't knock it down or eat it, and then rolls it up in the
morning after 10 or 12 hours of non stop DX.

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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The longer the wire (in wavelengths) the greater the gain and the
greater the directionality with respect to the direction(s) the wire
is running.

Good response DxAce.

In all likelihood, dxAss has never put up a true MW Beverage, or gone on an
AM DXpedition where one builds one or more of an afternoon, hopes the local
vertebrates don't knock it down or eat it, and then rolls it up in the
morning after 10 or 12 hours of non stop DX.

This I don't know but I can say he understands Beverage concepts better
than you for example.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Sep 24, 10:08 am, "Billy Smith"
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William Smith
Indiana
IC-746, FRG-100
1500 foot longwire

"dxAce" wrote in message

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David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as the fraudulent 'Eduardo', wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

"Billy Smith" wrote in message
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I know that from here in Indiana it was very common in the past to
receive
the Chinese People's Broadcasting Stations from as far as Lhasa,
Kunming,
and other locations at this QTH.

Funny, but I never saw such MW receptions reported in DX News or the
IRCA
Monitor... that would be most amazing reception in the last 3 decades
or
so.
Even in the peak years of good reception to the Pacific in the early
60's, I
never heard of a Chinese station making it East of the Rockies.

When did this occur and what stations were heard?

Do ya think he might just be referring to SW transmissions, oh faux
one?

If so, that would be odd for two reasons...

1. The thread is about MW.

So?

2. He is using a beverage antenna, not usually associated with SW
receptions.

I can associate the use of a Beverage (Yes, moron, with a capital B)
antenna
with SW reception on most any given day, and so can the cognoscenti.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

I'm planning on putting together a 750 foot maybe longer Beverage just for
the hell of it. I guess that I can't use it on SW now though, hahhahahaha.
Since I have quite a bit of written material on the Beverage and the skill
to put it in line, I wonder if that makes me qualified to know how it works.
Also, considering that in past years when time wasn't an issue, I used to
regularly receive Atlantic 252 on longwave here in the Midwestern USA state
of Indiana. Not to mention quite a few other longwave catches starting just
after dark local time. Maybe someday I will figure out how to use the
Beverage for shortwave. Mwhahahhaha.- Hide quoted text -

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Hell I planning to lay me out an Array of Beverages
pointing out form the center at every 60 Degrees.

well that is . . . as soon as i find me a bottle opener ~ RHF
- - - a six pack of cold beverages and a radio - ahaaaaaaaa

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On Sep 25, 11:04 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Billy Smith" wrote in message

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Also, considering that in past years when time wasn't an issue, I used
to
regularly receive Atlantic 252 on longwave here in the Midwestern USA
state of Indiana. Not to mention quite a few other longwave catches
starting just after dark local time.

That is not even an interesting catch.

Neither are your posts.

I wonder if Retardo ever has done anything with MW DX or Longwave reception.
Or is he just spouting his trap again about the virtues of IBOC. By the way,
Eduardo/Frackelton or whatever your name may be, exactly when have you done
anyting regarding LW DX or even MW DX. I'm not talking about listening to a
few clear channel stations regularly available in the US.

I'm talking about putting a Drake R8 in line and then a 1000-2000 foot
Beverage. I had an R8 for many years and regularly heard stations on SW from
very small stations all over the world. Not to mention many of the major LW
stations from Europe and North Africa. Been there and done that many times
for years prior when I had more time to devote to the hobby.

Now when you can pull out the 150 khz and up area with what you have done,
you can come tell me Eduardo. I might even give you dog biscuit.

On Sep 25, 7:34 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Sep 24, 9:33 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Billy Smith" wrote in message
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Well you can use a Beverage antenna for SW as well. I might have to
put
one across the way here in a few days when I get some more material.
The idea of a Beverage is to have a multiple wavelength antenna.
Multiple
wavelengths on SW frequencies are much shorter, and many longwires are,
in
essence, possesing those properties already.

- No that would not be correct.
- A Beverage is a special case antenna
- different from long wire antenna.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California

A Beverage is a specific kind of long wire, generally wavelength or
multiples, which can operate well low off the ground (MW Beverages are often
on sticks in the ground) and is grounded at one end and end, not center,
fed. Like other antennas, they can be used in multiples to create
directional patters and "moving" directionality by means of a phasor.- Hide quoted text -

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DOH ! -Reprint in English- The Beverage Antenna*
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverage_antenna

"The Beverage Antenna is a relatively inexpensive
but very effective Long Wire Receiving Antenna
used by Amateur Radio, Shortwave Listening (SWL),
and Longwave Radio DXers and Military Applications."
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverage_antenna
"A Beverage Antenna consists of a Wire one or two
Wavelengths Long (Hundreds of Feet at HF to several
Kilometres for Llongwave)."
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverage_antenna
"A Resistor connected to a Ground Rod Terminates
the end of the Beverage Antenna 'pointed' to the
Target Area, a 470 Ohm Non-Inductive Resistor provides
excellent results for most Soils {Locations}."
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverage_antenna
"A 50 or 75 Ohm Coaxial Cable Transmission Line
connects the Receiver to the opposite-end of the
Beverage Antenna through an Impedance-Matching
Transformer."
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverage_antenna

READ more "Technical Description"
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverag...al_Description
- Harold Beverage discovered . . .

Three Characteristics of a Beverage Antenna :
* One or More Wavelengths Long
* Near the Ground Surface {within Several Feet}
* Terminated

Three Characteristics of a Longwire Antenna :
* One or More Wavelengths Long
* High Above the Ground Surface {1/4 WL or More}
* Not Terminated
ERGO a Non-Terminated Beverage Antenna
that is Rigged relatively High-Off the Ground

Read - Antenna Height Considerations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antenna...considerations

Longwave - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longwave

Medium Wave - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediumwave
Medium Frequency - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_frequency

Shortwave - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortwave
-aka- "HF" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_frequency

no translation required ~ RHF

On Sep 25, 8:04 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Billy Smith" wrote in message

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Also, considering that in past years when time wasn't an issue, I used to
regularly receive Atlantic 252 on longwave here in the Midwestern USA
state of Indiana. Not to mention quite a few other longwave catches
starting just after dark local time.

- That is not even an interesting catch.

Many of the LW stations could be used
as indicators of conditions favoring low band MW European DXing when more of
the LW stations existed. When the LW stations were exceptionally strong, you
could look for things like Lisbon on 655 that would indicate a good
trans-Atlantic path.

d'Eduado - Clearly Your Interests . . .

Are Not Our Interests. ~ RHF

- - - and that is something to think about.

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On Sep 25, 8:04 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Billy Smith" wrote in message

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Also, considering that in past years when time wasn't an issue, I used
to
regularly receive Atlantic 252 on longwave here in the Midwestern USA
state of Indiana. Not to mention quite a few other longwave catches
starting just after dark local time.

- That is not even an interesting catch.

Many of the LW stations could be used
as indicators of conditions favoring low band MW European DXing when more
of
the LW stations existed. When the LW stations were exceptionally strong,
you
could look for things like Lisbon on 655 that would indicate a good
trans-Atlantic path.

d'Eduado - Clearly Your Interests . . .

Are Not Our Interests. ~ RHF

- - - and that is something to think about.

Yep, just now sent a post lamenting how DXers used to be radio fans. Now
they are declared enemies of the broadcasters and are, in a considerable
percentage, radio haters. You should see some of the reception reports AMs
get these days. The ones that are not lies often have demands for a "QSL" as
if most radio broadcasters knew what a QSL or QRM or SINPO even mean.

.

David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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The longer the wire (in wavelengths) the greater the gain and the
greater the directionality with respect to the direction(s) the wire
is running.

Good response DxAce.

In all likelihood, dxAss has never put up a true MW Beverage, or gone on an
AM DXpedition where one builds one or more of an afternoon, hopes the local
vertebrates don't knock it down or eat it, and then rolls it up in the
morning after 10 or 12 hours of non stop DX.

While I don't necessarily do AM DX, I certainly have done the rest.

Edweenie, it really has to hurt you, being so full of ****!