On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 06:56:23 -0700, "David Eduardo"
wrote:



Shift workers? What are shift workers?

Shift workers are those working in factories or businesses where there are
multiple shifts. One shift goes off as another comes on. In industrial
processes, shifts in LA at least tend to be 6-2, 2-10 and 10 to 6.

No lunch?

David wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 06:56:23 -0700, "David Eduardo"
wrote:



Shift workers? What are shift workers?

Shift workers are those working in factories or businesses where there are
multiple shifts. One shift goes off as another comes on. In industrial
processes, shifts in LA at least tend to be 6-2, 2-10 and 10 to 6.

No lunch?


I used to work the 10-6. You only get 7.5 hours on those days.

David Eduardo wrote:

The standard daypart is 7 to Midnight.

Using the 6th largest city, Houston, as an example, between 7 PM and
midnight...as a percentage of all persons, whether using radio or not, it
is 0.6%. In 18-34 year olds, the share is 0.4% of all persons
in that age group, whether listening or not.

Thank you. That's what I wanted.

For comparison, television pulls over 70% of all persons during 7 to
midnight. Any idea how many of that 0.6% of primetime AM listeners
are listening via skywave (non-local)?

wrote:

Houston,Texas before.I had to get the hell off of that fast traffic
expressway, Fast!, I dodged off into an old shopping mall area. They
drive like there is no tomorrow in Houston,Texas.They will run over you
if you don't look out!
cuhulin


Don't drive like a snail. ;-) If the speed say 70 then that's what
you need to be doing (or even higher). It's an interstate highway,
not a local country road. It's meant for high-speed travel.

Nothing annoys me more than when I'm driving down I-95 and some yoyo
is doing 50. C'mon. Drive faster.

On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:18:49 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


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roups.com...
On Oct 1, 1:18 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

If a station wants to see an adjacent market, or even a distant one,
they would have to subscribe to the other market reports...
which given the cost vs. no benefits, they seldom do.



And so AM clearchannels really DON'T care about distant markets. They
don't even bother to look (too expensive).

And no returns.

A good example: 40% or more of the Riverside San Bernardino audience is
listening at any given time to LA stations. 3 of the top 5 stations there
are usually LA stations. But LA stations do not sell advertising there,
because the market is about 30th in the US, and spots go for $100 or less.
In LA, the top radio market for revenue, spots can be sold for way over
$1000 each. Why sell a $100 buck ad when you can sell for over a grand each?

That doesn't mean they are irrelevant.

On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:04:19 -0700, RHF
wrote:

On Oct 2, 4:18 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"SFTV_troy" wrote in message

ups.com...





On Oct 2, 3:16 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

roups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
wrote in message

There is data for every hour of the day, but licensed only for use by
Arbitron subscribers. It takes a couple of clicks to get a
Midnight to 6 AM ranker or table.

If you have that information, please share. How many AM
listeners are there during the 8 to midnight hours?

Where? To what station? In what market? AQH listeners,
cume listeners, MSA listeners, DMA listeners?

I don't really care. Just pick some random market, 8 pm to midnight,
and AQH Share. I just want a rough estimate of how many spend their
evenings listening to AM.
-
- The standard daypart is 7 to Midnight.
-
- Using the 6th largest city, Houston, as an example, between
- 7 PM and midnight, the share of radio listeners using AM at
- night is 7.9% of all radio users. As a percentage of all persons,
- whether using radio or not, it is 0.6%. In 18-34 year olds, the
- share is 4.3% of radio listening and 0.4% of all persons in that
- age group, whether listening or not.

d'Eduardo, {Houstan Ain't Texas - It Is That Simple}

The Fallacy of all your Corporate Media Numbers is that you
Report about Numbers within the Metro-Area : While IMHO
most of the Late Night Radio Listeners Live Outside the
Metro-Area well beyond the 10 mv/m Contour.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy

Face It - You Have No Number That Is Valid and Meaningful
For This Newsgroup Of Avid Radio Listeners.

A Nation-Wide {Federally Funded} Study of All Rural Radio
Listeners is Required to Assess Their Unque {Distance}
Radio Listening Habits And Their Radio Information and
Entertainment Service Needs. - Conducted Jointly by the
FCC and Department of of Commerce.
{ It Ought To Be A Law }

I Ask Myself : What IBOC ?
All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF
In That Distant Land* Where IBOC Fears To Go :
Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour.
* Twain Harte, CA -USA-
.
Houston has always hated AM radio. As I recall it was the first city
where FM had more listeners than AM.

On Oct 2, 1:18 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...

On Oct 1, 1:18 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

If a station wants to see an adjacent market, or even a distant one,
they would have to subscribe to the other market reports...
which given the cost vs. no benefits, they seldom do.

And so AM clearchannels really DON'T care about distant markets. They
don't even bother to look (too expensive).

And no returns.

A good example: 40% or more of the Riverside San Bernardino audience is
listening at any given time to LA stations. 3 of the top 5 stations there
are usually LA stations. But LA stations do not sell advertising there,
because the market is about 30th in the US, and spots go for $100 or less.
In LA, the top radio market for revenue, spots can be sold for way over
$1000 each. Why sell a $100 buck ad when you can sell for over a grand each?

Once Again d'Eduardo - All of 'your' Numbers a Irrelevant to
this Group of Avid Long Distant {DX} AM/MW Radio Listeners [.]

RULES ARE RULES :
The Rec.Radio.Shortwave "Arbitrary" DX Numbers Scale is :

One DXer at 100 Miles is Worth One Market Share ~ 1.0%

Two DXers at 200 Miles is Worth Four Market Shares ~ 4.0%

Three DXers at 300 Miles is Worth Nine Market Shares ~ 9.0%

Four DXers at 400 Miles is Worth Sixteen Market Shares ~ 16.0%

Five DXers at 500 Miles is Worth 25 Market Shares ~ 25.0%

Ten DXers at 1000 Miles is Worth 100 Market Shares ~ 100.0%

those are the numbers - those are the facts - eod ~ RHF

On Oct 3, 8:09 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"SFTV_troy" wrote in message

ups.com...



David Eduardo wrote:

The standard daypart is 7 to Midnight.

Using the 6th largest city, Houston, as an example, between 7 PM and
midnight...as a percentage of all persons, whether using radio or not, it
is 0.6%. In 18-34 year olds, the share is 0.4% of all persons
in that age group, whether listening or not.

Thank you. That's what I wanted.

For comparison, television pulls over 70% of all persons during 7 to
midnight. Any idea how many of that 0.6% of primetime AM listeners
are listening via skywave (non-local)?

-
- It's a number below the rounding error of Arbitron.
- In other words, 0.04% of all listening
- or 0.003 of all persons.

Once Again d'Eduardo - All of 'your' Numbers a Irrelevant to
this Group of Avid Long Distant {DX} AM/MW Radio Listeners [.]

RULES ARE RULES :
The Rec.Radio.Shortwave "Arbitrary" DX Numbers Scale is :

One DXer at 100 Miles is Worth One Market Share ~ 1.0%

Two DXers at 200 Miles is Worth Four Market Shares ~ 4.0%

Three DXers at 300 Miles is Worth Nine Market Shares ~ 9.0%

Four DXers at 400 Miles is Worth Sixteen Market Shares ~ 16.0%

Five DXers at 500 Miles is Worth 25 Market Shares ~ 25.0%

Ten DXers at 1000 Miles is Worth 100 Market Shares ~ 100.0%

those are the numbers - those are the facts - eod ~ RHF

On Oct 4, 7:35 am, wrote:
RHF wrote:

Once Again d'Eduardo - All of 'your' Numbers a Irrelevant to
this Group of Avid Long Distant {DX} AM/MW Radio Listeners [.]

RULES ARE RULES :
The Rec.Radio.Shortwave "Arbitrary" DX Numbers Scale is :

One DXer at 100 Miles is Worth One Market Share ~ 1.0%

One DXer at 200 Miles is Worth Four Market Shares ~ 2.0%

One DXer at 300 Miles is Worth Nine Market Shares ~ 3.0%

One DXer at 400 Miles is Worth Sixteen Market Shares ~ 4.0%

One DXer at 500 Miles is Worth 25 Market Shares ~ 5.0%

One DXers at 1000 Miles is Worth 100 Market Shares ~ 10.0%

those are the numbers - those are the facts - eod ~ RHF
-

SFTV -aka- "Hybrid Digital" Man,

You appear to to suffer from Digital Thinking in an Analog Reality
{World}.

- Fixed to be more consistent (changing only variable at a time).

Be Advised - You Are Not Authorized To Change "My Numbers"

Neo-Quantum Ideas {Concepts} Require Multi-Dimensional Changes
{Variables}

- It still makes no logical sense though.

Clearly My Logic and My Sense are not your logic and your sense :
Hence it is all 'simply' Newsgroup NONSENSE ! -jftfoi-

One DXer is still the same value, regardless of how far away he is.

Ah Haw - Clearly You Do Not Understand Concept of DX
and the Craft of DXing : Since "DX" Means 'Distance' ! -nism-

(Which is not that much, since he's not inside the local market.)

To The DXer 'being' Outside The Local Market "Is" Everything !
- - - If They Were Inside The 10mv/m Contour :
They Would Not Be a DXer.

i have gone the distance and heard the other side of . . .
beyond the beyond ~ RHF