On Oct 2, 3:42 pm, wrote:

As a whole, digital radio is a farce, offering poor reception
(especially in moving vehicles), unnecessary extra channels (as if
there aren't already enough radio stations)...


There are not enough radio stations. Which is why some people can't
find anything worth listening to, and complain "Today's radio is all
crap".

On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:31:53 -0700, SFTV_troy
wrote:

On Oct 2, 3:42 pm, wrote:

As a whole, digital radio is a farce, offering poor reception
(especially in moving vehicles), unnecessary extra channels (as if
there aren't already enough radio stations)...


There are not enough radio stations. Which is why some people can't
find anything worth listening to, and complain "Today's radio is all
crap".

Utter ********. A thousand stations of crap is still crap. It is the
dilution of funds by excessive quantity that prevents radio stations
putting together a competent programme list, which takes money, money
and more money.

Fewer, better funded radio stations are the way to quality. And the
first step to that is to remove all the radio stations which are
simply record players. This goes in spades for ghetto radio, where the
entire output is a single genre. And in spades and trumps for radio
stations which push loathsome religious agendas.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

On Oct 3, 2:22 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
On Oct 3, 3:49 am, RHF wrote:



Use a common 'portable' AM & FM Shortwave Radio
and Tune to a DRM Shortwave Radio Broadcast.http://www.drm.org/livebroadcast/livebroadcast.php
Hear that Noise on both sides of the Tuned Frequency
extending for +/- 10 kHz. That is the Digital Noise
caused by the DRM Digital Broadcast Mode.
This is "Why" many say DRM is QRM. ~ RHF


- What's QRM? (checks wikipedia)
- Does that mean "Man-made interference"

SFTV -aka- "Hybrid Digital" Man,

DOH ! - The "Q" Codes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_code
Amateur Radio Speak
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio
The Amateur Radio Q-Code
http://www.qsl.net/w5www/qcode.html
Amateur {Ham} Radio Think
http://www.ac6v.com/opaids.htm

- Wikipedia doesn't say what the negatives for DRM are.

What Happens -IF- a Digital AM Signal and an
Analogue AM Signal are in the Same Channel ?
http://www.drm.org/newsevents/faqs/faq-023.php
-Or- Adjacent Channel within +/- kHz ? ? ?
-Answer- The impact on the Analog AM Signal
of a Digital Signal in the Same Channel would be
a Severe Increase in the Background Noise Level;
that often obliterates the Analog AM Signal.
http://www.drm.org/newsevents/faqs/faq-061.php

Read about Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM)
Shortwave Radio Reception in New Zealand
http://www.owdjim.gen.nz/chris/radio/DRM/

and now you know for now . . . ~ RHF

On 2 okt, 14:11, SFTV_troy wrote:
Digital Radio Mondiale is also IBOC. (Designed to operate in analog/
digital mode for shortwave and AM, and soon FM.)

Do you hate DR Mondiale too?

You forgot to mention a 3rd,
FMeXtra : http://www.dreinc.com/

Don Pearce wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:31:53 -0700, SFTV_troy

There are not enough radio stations. Which is why some
people can't find anything worth listening to, and complain
"Today's radio is all crap".

Utter ********. A thousand stations of crap is still crap. It is the
dilution of funds by excessive quantity that prevents radio stations
putting together a competent programme list, which takes money
Fewer, better funded radio stations are the way to quality.




Is "quality" playing old Big Band music, Jazz, and Classical?

Personally I'd call that, not crap, but definitely "boring". I like
those genres, but I also like Pop, Rock, and Hip-hop on top of that.
I like variety. Most people my age like variety, sampling a little of
everything.



I'd rather see lots and lots and lots of channels, and then let
Darwinian Survival of the Fittest happen..... good channels survive,
and bad channels starve & die. I prefer the invisible hand of the
market, rather than the dictatorial control of someone saying, "Let's
revoke some stations' licenses," because they think there are too many
of them.

On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 04:24:48 -0700, wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:31:53 -0700, SFTV_troy

There are not enough radio stations. Which is why some
people can't find anything worth listening to, and complain
"Today's radio is all crap".

Utter ********. A thousand stations of crap is still crap. It is the
dilution of funds by excessive quantity that prevents radio stations
putting together a competent programme list, which takes money
Fewer, better funded radio stations are the way to quality.




Is "quality" playing old Big Band music, Jazz, and Classical?

Personally I'd call that, not crap, but definitely "boring". I like
those genres, but I also like Pop, Rock, and Hip-hop on top of that.
I like variety. Most people my age like variety, sampling a little of
everything.


Music, music music - all we hear about is pigging music. That is not
what I want from radio - I have my own collection of music that I can
dip into any time I want. What I don't have, the internet is there to
tell me about. Music is a shameful waste of radio resource.



I'd rather see lots and lots and lots of channels, and then let
Darwinian Survival of the Fittest happen..... good channels survive,
and bad channels starve & die. I prefer the invisible hand of the
market, rather than the dictatorial control of someone saying, "Let's
revoke some stations' licenses," because they think there are too many
of them.

Sometimes Darwin needs a little help, and arguably that help is just
as Darwinian as anything. Channels don't survive or die based on their
quality - if there were a million, then on average perhaps they would,
but when we are talking about a few dozen, Darwinian statistics don't
work. My view is that simply playing records is a waste of radio
spectrum, which is far too precious a resource to waste this way.
Radio stations must generate material that is not available through
other media.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

THIS DISCUSSION IS OFF-TOPIC FOR REC.AUDIO.TECH
(AND REC.AUDIO.CAR, FOR THAT MATTER)
PLEASE DROP REC.AUDIO.TECH FROM THIS DISCUSSION

On Oct 3, 5:54 am, "Richard Crowley" wrote:
THIS DISCUSSION IS OFF-TOPIC FOR REC.AUDIO.TECH
(AND REC.AUDIO.CAR, FOR THAT MATTER)
PLEASE DROP REC.AUDIO.TECH FROM THIS DISCUSSION

PLEASE ADDRESS YOUR DROP THIS MESSAGE
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On Oct 3, 8:54 am, "Richard Crowley" wrote:
THIS DISCUSSION IS OFF-TOPIC FOR REC.AUDIO.TECH
(AND REC.AUDIO.CAR, FOR THAT MATTER)
PLEASE DROP REC.AUDIO.TECH FROM THIS DISCUSSION

Please also drop rec.radio.shortwave.

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On Oct 2, 9:55 am, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:
"SFTV_troy" wrote in message

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Digital Radio Mondiale is also IBOC. (Designed to operate in analog/
digital mode for shortwave and AM, and soon FM.)

Can you demodulate DRM without a digital decoder?

No, but it does have one advantage over HD Radio. DRM can be received
with a standard computer (you just need the tuner to receive the
signals).


I've only heard the incessant hiss of full digital DRM. Is anybody
broadcasting the combined DRM analog digital mix?

Frank Dresser