"RHF" wrote in message
...
On Feb 15, 3:18 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"plus several more at the edges of the metro"

d'Eduardo - OK so now you are including Radio Stations
BEYOND . . . the Service Contours

No, they are simply stations with partial coverage of the metro due to power
or dial position, but definitely inside the metro.


- With the stations that exist in Spanish, the major formats
- are covered, although only once each... not seversal times
- over such as happens in the English language station array.

That's Called Limited "Choice" -versus- Maximum "Choice" :
"Your Sampling" applies to "Your Sample"; and can not be
applied to the Greater Polulation with any Degree of Certainty.

In most cases, the broader choice in NYC in English is strictly an issue of
having 3 hip hop stations, two CHRs, three AC's, etc. There are not all that
many different formats.

- Untrue. I was discussing this with Arbitron today, and the
- percentage of single station listeners is less than 1%.

A - The They {Arbitron} must not Count Business and Work Place
Radio Listeners : Where it is One Radio Station "Only" All Day
Every Day. {The Shop Radio / Cafe Radio}

They count at work, in the car and in home listening. Most people don't work
at places where a radio is on all day. For example, no chain store has a
commercial radio station on, from Macys to Wal Mart. They have their own
house music channel.

Have then give you some numbers specific to Work Place
Radio Listening. I spent 30 Years Five Days a Week
for 8 Hours a Day having the Choice of One Radio Station
to Listen To; that is when I could listen to a Radio at all.

The at work listening is part of every radio market report. About 28% of all
listneing is at work.

B - Drive Time Radio "Traffic and Weather" is usually a One
Radio Station "Only" Time of Day for Many/Most Commuters :
What Does Arbitron Have To Say About That ?
? Is that "Included" in the One Percent (1%) ?

Actually, drive time is the time where more total stations are used than any
other, because there is access to the buttons! A typical pattern is a bit of
the news station, a bit of a personality morning show, and a bit of music.

- Most single station listeners are evangelicals who do not
- listen to secular radio, only the evangelical station.

Like the 'segue' to bashing Christian Evangelical Radio Listeners :

While your Taget Audience Speaks Spanish -remember-
The Christian Evangelical Radio Listeners Speak "GOD" )

1330 in NY is an evangelical station, in Spanish. The only issue there is
that many evangelicals are encouraged not to partake of secular music, which
is viewed by some as an offense to God.

EWTN "Catholic Radio" should also factor in to that Group
of One Radio Station 'Only' Listeners.
{o: OK - Only the Pope Nose }

There are very few Catholic stations in the US. I had the priviledge of
helping set up one in Lima, Peru, for Cardenal Rickets Landazuri in the
early 80's, and it was among the more satisfying things I ever did.

Group # 2 - The Few (3~4) Radio Station Listeners :
This to is a very large Group of Radio Listeners and they
will usually have a newer AM/FM Radio with Five (5)
Presets per Band. Normally They Listen to One to
Two of those 'Local' Radio Stations on each of the
AM and FM Radio Bands.

- Wrong again. While the 3 to 4 station range is normal,
- most in home and at work radios have no presets.
- Younger listeners (under 35 to 40) will listen to all FM,
- and those in the 35-54 range probably 2 to 3 FMs and
- an AM.
- Over 55, the split is more even with AM and FM.

d'Eduardo - hint, Hint. HINT ! - It was not the type of Radio
{Yes PreSets Make It Easier to Push-a-Button to Tune.}
I was About the Avergae "Being" 3~4 Radio Stations that
the 'majority' of Radio Station Listeners 'Choose' to Listen
to on a Regular Basis; and 97.53% of those Radio Stations
are most likely LOCAL*.
* So for this 'majority' of Radio Listeners IBOC "HD" Radio
Ain't A Problem.

In home and at work listening is generally long listening spans, few if any
station changes.

- Women tend to listen to more FM, and ethnic groups
like Blacks and Hispanics use practically no AM.

The 'Inference' being AM/MW Radio is the vestige of :
The All American White Males -aka- Red-Neck Radio*.
* Politely called Conservative Talk Radio

I have no idea what it means; likely it is because both those cummunities
have amuch younger average age and don't find anything on AM they like. In
Latin America, AM listening is pretty dead, with nearly all of the main
formats, including talk and news, now on FM.

Group # 3 - The Hourly {Minute-by-Minute} Radio Listener
This to is not as large a Group of Radio Listeners and
they are always changing the Radio Station that they are
Listening to; and seeking out something interesting to
hear. For them Seventy Plus (70+) Radio Station PreSets
{Memories} are not enought.

- This trait almost entirely affects males in the teen and
- 18-24 bracket, who have three to five stations that play
- the music they like, and between which the switch when
- in the car where they have buttons on the radio.

DANG - There Are A Whole Bunch of Us Here on RRS :
That Are Still Young at Heart and Alive in the Spirit of
Active Radio Listening.

At least 5 of you.

David Eduardo wrote:

"RHF" wrote in message
...
On Feb 15, 3:18 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"plus several more at the edges of the metro"

d'Eduardo - OK so now you are including Radio Stations
BEYOND . . . the Service Contours

No, they are simply stations with partial coverage of the metro due to power
or dial position, but definitely inside the metro.

- With the stations that exist in Spanish, the major formats
- are covered, although only once each... not seversal times
- over such as happens in the English language station array.

That's Called Limited "Choice" -versus- Maximum "Choice" :
"Your Sampling" applies to "Your Sample"; and can not be
applied to the Greater Polulation with any Degree of Certainty.

In most cases, the broader choice in NYC in English is strictly an issue of
having 3 hip hop stations, two CHRs, three AC's, etc. There are not all that
many different formats.

- Untrue. I was discussing this with Arbitron today, and the
- percentage of single station listeners is less than 1%.

A - The They {Arbitron} must not Count Business and Work Place
Radio Listeners : Where it is One Radio Station "Only" All Day
Every Day. {The Shop Radio / Cafe Radio}

They count at work, in the car and in home listening. Most people don't work
at places where a radio is on all day. For example, no chain store has a
commercial radio station on, from Macys to Wal Mart. They have their own
house music channel.

Have then give you some numbers specific to Work Place
Radio Listening. I spent 30 Years Five Days a Week
for 8 Hours a Day having the Choice of One Radio Station
to Listen To; that is when I could listen to a Radio at all.

The at work listening is part of every radio market report. About 28% of all
listneing is at work.

B - Drive Time Radio "Traffic and Weather" is usually a One
Radio Station "Only" Time of Day for Many/Most Commuters :
What Does Arbitron Have To Say About That ?
? Is that "Included" in the One Percent (1%) ?

Actually, drive time is the time where more total stations are used than any
other, because there is access to the buttons! A typical pattern is a bit of
the news station, a bit of a personality morning show, and a bit of music.

- Most single station listeners are evangelicals who do not
- listen to secular radio, only the evangelical station.

Like the 'segue' to bashing Christian Evangelical Radio Listeners :

While your Taget Audience Speaks Spanish -remember-
The Christian Evangelical Radio Listeners Speak "GOD" )

1330 in NY is an evangelical station, in Spanish. The only issue there is
that many evangelicals are encouraged not to partake of secular music, which
is viewed by some as an offense to God.

EWTN "Catholic Radio" should also factor in to that Group
of One Radio Station 'Only' Listeners.
{o: OK - Only the Pope Nose }

There are very few Catholic stations in the US. I had the priviledge of
helping set up one in Lima, Peru, for Cardenal Rickets Landazuri in the
early 80's, and it was among the more satisfying things I ever did.

Group # 2 - The Few (3~4) Radio Station Listeners :
This to is a very large Group of Radio Listeners and they
will usually have a newer AM/FM Radio with Five (5)
Presets per Band. Normally They Listen to One to
Two of those 'Local' Radio Stations on each of the
AM and FM Radio Bands.

- Wrong again. While the 3 to 4 station range is normal,
- most in home and at work radios have no presets.
- Younger listeners (under 35 to 40) will listen to all FM,
- and those in the 35-54 range probably 2 to 3 FMs and
- an AM.
- Over 55, the split is more even with AM and FM.

d'Eduardo - hint, Hint. HINT ! - It was not the type of Radio
{Yes PreSets Make It Easier to Push-a-Button to Tune.}
I was About the Avergae "Being" 3~4 Radio Stations that
the 'majority' of Radio Station Listeners 'Choose' to Listen
to on a Regular Basis; and 97.53% of those Radio Stations
are most likely LOCAL*.
* So for this 'majority' of Radio Listeners IBOC "HD" Radio
Ain't A Problem.

In home and at work listening is generally long listening spans, few if any
station changes.

- Women tend to listen to more FM, and ethnic groups
like Blacks and Hispanics use practically no AM.

The 'Inference' being AM/MW Radio is the vestige of :
The All American White Males -aka- Red-Neck Radio*.
* Politely called Conservative Talk Radio

I have no idea what it means; likely it is because both those cummunities
have amuch younger average age and don't find anything on AM they like. In
Latin America, AM listening is pretty dead, with nearly all of the main
formats, including talk and news, now on FM.

Group # 3 - The Hourly {Minute-by-Minute} Radio Listener
This to is not as large a Group of Radio Listeners and
they are always changing the Radio Station that they are
Listening to; and seeking out something interesting to
hear. For them Seventy Plus (70+) Radio Station PreSets
{Memories} are not enought.

- This trait almost entirely affects males in the teen and
- 18-24 bracket, who have three to five stations that play
- the music they like, and between which the switch when
- in the car where they have buttons on the radio.

DANG - There Are A Whole Bunch of Us Here on RRS :
That Are Still Young at Heart and Alive in the Spirit of
Active Radio Listening.

At least 5 of you.

And at least 1 faux Hispanic who has no QSL's (veries) and certainly has never
had an Amateur Radio license...

dxAce wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:

"RHF" wrote in message
...
On Feb 15, 3:18 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"plus several more at the edges of the metro"

d'Eduardo - OK so now you are including Radio Stations
BEYOND . . . the Service Contours

No, they are simply stations with partial coverage of the metro due to power
or dial position, but definitely inside the metro.

- With the stations that exist in Spanish, the major formats
- are covered, although only once each... not seversal times
- over such as happens in the English language station array.

That's Called Limited "Choice" -versus- Maximum "Choice" :
"Your Sampling" applies to "Your Sample"; and can not be
applied to the Greater Polulation with any Degree of Certainty.

In most cases, the broader choice in NYC in English is strictly an issue of
having 3 hip hop stations, two CHRs, three AC's, etc. There are not all that
many different formats.

- Untrue. I was discussing this with Arbitron today, and the
- percentage of single station listeners is less than 1%.

A - The They {Arbitron} must not Count Business and Work Place
Radio Listeners : Where it is One Radio Station "Only" All Day
Every Day. {The Shop Radio / Cafe Radio}

They count at work, in the car and in home listening. Most people don't work
at places where a radio is on all day. For example, no chain store has a
commercial radio station on, from Macys to Wal Mart. They have their own
house music channel.

Have then give you some numbers specific to Work Place
Radio Listening. I spent 30 Years Five Days a Week
for 8 Hours a Day having the Choice of One Radio Station
to Listen To; that is when I could listen to a Radio at all.

The at work listening is part of every radio market report. About 28% of all
listneing is at work.

B - Drive Time Radio "Traffic and Weather" is usually a One
Radio Station "Only" Time of Day for Many/Most Commuters :
What Does Arbitron Have To Say About That ?
? Is that "Included" in the One Percent (1%) ?

Actually, drive time is the time where more total stations are used than any
other, because there is access to the buttons! A typical pattern is a bit of
the news station, a bit of a personality morning show, and a bit of music.

- Most single station listeners are evangelicals who do not
- listen to secular radio, only the evangelical station.

Like the 'segue' to bashing Christian Evangelical Radio Listeners :

While your Taget Audience Speaks Spanish -remember-
The Christian Evangelical Radio Listeners Speak "GOD" )

1330 in NY is an evangelical station, in Spanish. The only issue there is
that many evangelicals are encouraged not to partake of secular music, which
is viewed by some as an offense to God.

EWTN "Catholic Radio" should also factor in to that Group
of One Radio Station 'Only' Listeners.
{o: OK - Only the Pope Nose }

There are very few Catholic stations in the US. I had the priviledge of
helping set up one in Lima, Peru, for Cardenal Rickets Landazuri in the
early 80's, and it was among the more satisfying things I ever did.

Group # 2 - The Few (3~4) Radio Station Listeners :
This to is a very large Group of Radio Listeners and they
will usually have a newer AM/FM Radio with Five (5)
Presets per Band. Normally They Listen to One to
Two of those 'Local' Radio Stations on each of the
AM and FM Radio Bands.

- Wrong again. While the 3 to 4 station range is normal,
- most in home and at work radios have no presets.
- Younger listeners (under 35 to 40) will listen to all FM,
- and those in the 35-54 range probably 2 to 3 FMs and
- an AM.
- Over 55, the split is more even with AM and FM.

d'Eduardo - hint, Hint. HINT ! - It was not the type of Radio
{Yes PreSets Make It Easier to Push-a-Button to Tune.}
I was About the Avergae "Being" 3~4 Radio Stations that
the 'majority' of Radio Station Listeners 'Choose' to Listen
to on a Regular Basis; and 97.53% of those Radio Stations
are most likely LOCAL*.
* So for this 'majority' of Radio Listeners IBOC "HD" Radio
Ain't A Problem.

In home and at work listening is generally long listening spans, few if any
station changes.

- Women tend to listen to more FM, and ethnic groups
like Blacks and Hispanics use practically no AM.

The 'Inference' being AM/MW Radio is the vestige of :
The All American White Males -aka- Red-Neck Radio*.
* Politely called Conservative Talk Radio

I have no idea what it means; likely it is because both those cummunities
have amuch younger average age and don't find anything on AM they like. In
Latin America, AM listening is pretty dead, with nearly all of the main
formats, including talk and news, now on FM.

Group # 3 - The Hourly {Minute-by-Minute} Radio Listener
This to is not as large a Group of Radio Listeners and
they are always changing the Radio Station that they are
Listening to; and seeking out something interesting to
hear. For them Seventy Plus (70+) Radio Station PreSets
{Memories} are not enought.

- This trait almost entirely affects males in the teen and
- 18-24 bracket, who have three to five stations that play
- the music they like, and between which the switch when
- in the car where they have buttons on the radio.

DANG - There Are A Whole Bunch of Us Here on RRS :
That Are Still Young at Heart and Alive in the Spirit of
Active Radio Listening.

At least 5 of you.

And at least 1 faux Hispanic who has no QSL's (veries) and certainly has never
had an Amateur Radio license...

Tell ya what, 'Eduardo', I need a road trip. How about you set up a time in May,
when you'd be willing to meet up with me and Telamon... I'll pick him up in
Ventura after I make a run through Ojai, and we'll run down to Glendale, or
wherever you park your ass and we'll both check out those QSL's (I'll bring mine).

Caveat: You agree to pay for my trip if either, you don't show, you don't have the
QSL's, etc.

Have your *daughter* draw up a contract, BOY!

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:01:09 -0500, dxAce
wrote:



Have your *daughter* draw up a contract, BOY!

DXAce,
Get off Eduardo's daughter.......................I just did 8-}