Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message

...
Someone made a mistake. All the references to a radio on a chip on the
Samsung site were analog. Looks like there is some confusion here as
they do have chips for satellite and HD but not AMBCB and FMBCB.


Your mistake is depending on a website for data only of interest to
manufacturers, iBiquity and its shareholders. The chip is, obviously,
digital as HD is digital.

Your mistake is that they announce any semiconductor development on
their web site. They may limit the amount of data for proprietary
reasons but all projects are announced with some detail.



Telemon,
Why would a semiconductor company announce all their development projects on
the internet? This would tell all their competitors what they are doing.
Most companies do not disclose development activities until there is a
competitive reason to do so.

David wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
There's no reason for them to be included in your so called "ratings"
which measure nothing but a dying medium's last gasp. Shoutcast (and
Icecast, Live 365, etc.) are where the top dollar demos are going for
good
music radio and NPR/CommunityRadio. There is no reason to subject one's
self to the torture that is commercial radio in the 21st century. It is
painful to listen to sonically (and HD sounds worse on AM) and only a
complete loser would voluntarily absorb the content.

Streams, satellite, HD2 channels and analog or HD terrestrial stations
are all included in the Arbitron radio ratings. Additionally, there are
audits of streaming "stations" and, as I said, the listening level of
Shoutcast across the US would not qualify all its channels combined for
the minimum reporting standard for radio ratings. In other words, think
of the worst radio station in your market, and it has as many or more
listeners than Live 365 or Shoutcast.
live365


I don't think you grasp the concept.

https://www.sky.fm/pro/order.php

If you go to the site, it says skyfm is currently serving 17117 users. That
is spread across 30 stations.

If you go to shoutcast, you'll see that many of the feeds support 1000 or
fewer connections.

Combine that with the low bitrates offered for many connections and I fail
to see how they seriously compete with a single station that may have
10,000+ listeners.

In article ,
craigm wrote:

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message

...
Someone made a mistake. All the references to a radio on a chip on the
Samsung site were analog. Looks like there is some confusion here as
they do have chips for satellite and HD but not AMBCB and FMBCB.


Your mistake is depending on a website for data only of interest to
manufacturers, iBiquity and its shareholders. The chip is, obviously,
digital as HD is digital.

Your mistake is that they announce any semiconductor development on
their web site. They may limit the amount of data for proprietary
reasons but all projects are announced with some detail.



Telemon,
Why would a semiconductor company announce all their development projects on
the internet? This would tell all their competitors what they are doing.
Most companies do not disclose development activities until there is a
competitive reason to do so.

They are a publicly traded company and need to let their stockholders
know what they are working on. Check the news here

http://www.samsung.com/us/business/semiconductor/index.html

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"craigm" wrote in message
...
Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message

...
Someone made a mistake. All the references to a radio on a chip on the
Samsung site were analog. Looks like there is some confusion here as
they do have chips for satellite and HD but not AMBCB and FMBCB.


Your mistake is depending on a website for data only of interest to
manufacturers, iBiquity and its shareholders. The chip is, obviously,
digital as HD is digital.

Your mistake is that they announce any semiconductor development on
their web site. They may limit the amount of data for proprietary
reasons but all projects are announced with some detail.



Telemon,
Why would a semiconductor company announce all their development projects
on
the internet? This would tell all their competitors what they are doing.
Most companies do not disclose development activities until there is a
competitive reason to do so.


Likely there is a point in development, like just prior to shipping, when a
development becomes public. Since the HD chip is only shipping in
development quantities to radio manufacturers, the formal announcement may
not have been made... but that is just a guess.

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
craigm wrote:

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message

...
Someone made a mistake. All the references to a radio on a chip on
the
Samsung site were analog. Looks like there is some confusion here as
they do have chips for satellite and HD but not AMBCB and FMBCB.


Your mistake is depending on a website for data only of interest to
manufacturers, iBiquity and its shareholders. The chip is, obviously,
digital as HD is digital.

Your mistake is that they announce any semiconductor development on
their web site. They may limit the amount of data for proprietary
reasons but all projects are announced with some detail.



Telemon,
Why would a semiconductor company announce all their development projects
on
the internet? This would tell all their competitors what they are doing.
Most companies do not disclose development activities until there is a
competitive reason to do so.

They are a publicly traded company and need to let their stockholders
know what they are working on. Check the news here

Shareholder data is released directly to shareholders, not by press releases
on the web.

On Feb 9, 4:28*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,
*"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
Someone made a mistake. All the references to a radio on a chip on the
Samsung site were analog. Looks like there is some confusion here as
they do have chips for satellite and HD but not AMBCB and FMBCB.

Your mistake is depending on a website for data only of interest to
manufacturers, iBiquity and its shareholders. The chip is, obviously,
digital as HD is digital.

Your mistake is that they announce any semiconductor development on
their web site. They may limit the amount of data for proprietary
reasons but all projects are announced with some detail.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon,

Not -if- iBiquity Digital Corp entered into an "NDA" with Samsung
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreement
that allowed iBiquity to manage the public release of the Chips
Existance and Development. Then when iBiquity 'felt' that the
Chip was Ready to be Released; and that the Marketing and the
News of the Chip would have a Positive Impact on the Promotion
of "HD" Radio and the Sales of "HD" Radios. iBiquity would do
it jointly with Samsung.

we were not here and we did not talk ~ RHF

On Feb 9, 5:42*pm, craigm wrote:
Telamon wrote:
In article ,
*"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message

....

Someone made a mistake. All the references to a radio on a chip on the
Samsung site were analog. Looks like there is some confusion here as
they do have chips for satellite and HD but not AMBCB and FMBCB.

Your mistake is depending on a website for data only of interest to
manufacturers, iBiquity and its shareholders. The chip is, obviously,
digital as HD is digital.

Your mistake is that they announce any semiconductor development on
their web site. They may limit the amount of data for proprietary
reasons but all projects are announced with some detail.

Telemon,
Why would a semiconductor company announce all their development projects on
the internet? This would tell all their competitors what they are doing.
Most companies do not disclose development activities until there is a
competitive reason to do so.

Craig M,

Good Point especially when they may be developing a Chip
'for' iBiquity under an NDA which gives iBiquity control over
all Information about the Chip.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreement

~ RHF

craigm wrote:
David wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
There's no reason for them to be included in your so called "ratings"
which measure nothing but a dying medium's last gasp. Shoutcast (and
Icecast, Live 365, etc.) are where the top dollar demos are going for
good
music radio and NPR/CommunityRadio. There is no reason to subject one's
self to the torture that is commercial radio in the 21st century. It is
painful to listen to sonically (and HD sounds worse on AM) and only a
complete loser would voluntarily absorb the content.
Streams, satellite, HD2 channels and analog or HD terrestrial stations
are all included in the Arbitron radio ratings. Additionally, there are
audits of streaming "stations" and, as I said, the listening level of
Shoutcast across the US would not qualify all its channels combined for
the minimum reporting standard for radio ratings. In other words, think
of the worst radio station in your market, and it has as many or more
listeners than Live 365 or Shoutcast.
live365

I don't think you grasp the concept.

https://www.sky.fm/pro/order.php

If you go to the site, it says skyfm is currently serving 17117 users. That
is spread across 30 stations.

If you go to shoutcast, you'll see that many of the feeds support 1000 or
fewer connections.

Combine that with the low bitrates offered for many connections and I fail
to see how they seriously compete with a single station that may have
10,000+ listeners.


You totally don't get it. There are thousands of web radio stations.
They are growing and you are bleeding.

You were partially right a few weeks ago; talk is going to FM. The
music is going to the web.

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
craigm wrote:

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message


...
Someone made a mistake. All the references to a radio on a chip on
the Samsung site were analog. Looks like there is some confusion
here as they do have chips for satellite and HD but not AMBCB and
FMBCB.


Your mistake is depending on a website for data only of interest to
manufacturers, iBiquity and its shareholders. The chip is, obviously,
digital as HD is digital.

Your mistake is that they announce any semiconductor development on
their web site. They may limit the amount of data for proprietary
reasons but all projects are announced with some detail.



Telemon,
Why would a semiconductor company announce all their development projects
on the internet? This would tell all their competitors what they are
doing. Most companies do not disclose development activities until there
is a competitive reason to do so.

They are a publicly traded company and need to let their stockholders
know what they are working on. Check the news here

http://www.samsung.com/us/business/semiconductor/index.html



Really? Public companies actually tell their stockholder the details of
their development plans?

Not in any company I've worked for. If what you propose were true, what
would the value of a confidentiality agreement be?

David wrote:

craigm wrote:
David wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
There's no reason for them to be included in your so called "ratings"
which measure nothing but a dying medium's last gasp. Shoutcast (and
Icecast, Live 365, etc.) are where the top dollar demos are going for
good
music radio and NPR/CommunityRadio. There is no reason to subject
one's self to the torture that is commercial radio in the 21st
century. It is painful to listen to sonically (and HD sounds worse on
AM) and only a complete loser would voluntarily absorb the content.
Streams, satellite, HD2 channels and analog or HD terrestrial stations
are all included in the Arbitron radio ratings. Additionally, there are
audits of streaming "stations" and, as I said, the listening level of
Shoutcast across the US would not qualify all its channels combined for
the minimum reporting standard for radio ratings. In other words, think
of the worst radio station in your market, and it has as many or more
listeners than Live 365 or Shoutcast.
live365

I don't think you grasp the concept.

https://www.sky.fm/pro/order.php

If you go to the site, it says skyfm is currently serving 17117 users.
That is spread across 30 stations.

If you go to shoutcast, you'll see that many of the feeds support 1000 or
fewer connections.

Combine that with the low bitrates offered for many connections and I
fail to see how they seriously compete with a single station that may
have 10,000+ listeners.


You totally don't get it. There are thousands of web radio stations.
They are growing and you are bleeding.

You were partially right a few weeks ago; talk is going to FM. The
music is going to the web.


You don't even know who you are replying to.