On Feb 23, 6:17*am, craigm wrote:
dave wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

.... In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message

....



You obviously know less about component marketing than you pretend to
know.
Really? What have I written that shows you I don't know what I write
about here?

This article was written last spring 3/1/07. Everything written is
being
proposed about the "chip".
Radio World is the authoritative technical publication for
broadcasting, and
has been for some time. If their reporters say they saw the chip
working in
a prototype, the chip exists and works. If they say it is shipping,
it´s shipping.

References to a TI project that did not develop several years ago are
irrelevant and an attempt to obfuscate.
There is nothing on the SiPort or Sansung web sites to indicate that a
"chip" that has been developed or shipping. There is nothing on the
Radio World web site to indicate that they saw a prototype working. All
statements I have read on the Radio World web site were promotional
forward looking statements.

The website has little abstracts of the magazine content, but to get the
full magazine, you have to qualify. Get the magazine if you can. It
answers all your questions.
Now I want a link or a quote to the contrary otherwise shut the hell up.
I'm not taking your word for it. It is put up or shut up time Eduardo.

No, it's time for you to stop objecting to every piece of evidence by
asking for more evidence or by disbelieving actual facts. Radio World is
the journal of record for radio broadcast engineering. If you are so
insignificant as to not even be able to obtain the magazine, that's not
my problem.

All the information about HD developments shown at the CES are in Radio
World, in an edition with several lengthy articles about HD developments
that is so extensive that it discusses the power requirements of each of
the chips in different operating situations.

http://www.eetimes.com/TechSearch/Se...EE+Times&Site+...

A search here reveals no revolutionary developments in the HD Radio/IBOC
chip universe.
-
- Using the right search criteria ("digital radio")
- can lead you to this article.

- http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.j...leID=205205995

- Note the reference to Samsung in the article.

-Note- Dropping "Telamon" from the Subject-Line -because-
We now have a Second Source and a Second Sourcer for
the "Samsung Chip" -ps- It could be real . . .

A Big "TYVM" to CraigM for his Post and Info ~ RHF

IBOC : Real News About The Samsung "HD" Radio Chip {Second Source}
http://groups.google.com/group/hd-ra...1edb7fc7b535c1

EE Times : Terrestrial Digital [HD] Radio Goes Mobile
http://tinyurl.com/26vkeu -by- Junko Yoshida
CopyRight © 2008 CMP Media LLC

Part 2 - From the Car to the PalmTop
http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.j...5205995&pgno=2

Here is a Related Link : http://tinyurl.com/2hhrua
Data and Audio Processing for HD Radio
-by- John Gardner, Texas Instruments

like it or not - the truth is out there ~ RHF

On Feb 23, 7:16Â*am, wrote:
On Feb 23, 4:44�am, RHF wrote:





On Feb 22, 10:42�pm, Telamon

wrote:
In article ,
�"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

You obviously know less about component marketing than you pretend to
know.

Really? What have I written that shows you I don't know what I write
about here?

This article was written last spring 3/1/07. Everything written is being
proposed about the "chip".

Radio World is the authoritative technical publication for broadcasting, and
has been for some time. If their reporters say they saw the chip working in
a prototype, the chip exists and works. If they say it is shipping, it�s
shipping.

References to a TI project that did not develop several years ago are
irrelevant and an attempt to obfuscate.

There is nothing on the SiPort or Sansung web sites to indicate that a
"chip" that has been developed or shipping. There is nothing on the
Radio World web site to indicate that they saw a prototype working. All
statements I have read on the Radio World web site were promotional
forward looking statements.

- Now I want a link or a quote to the contrary
- otherwise shut the hell up.
- I'm not taking your word for it.
- It is put up or shut up time Eduardo.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California

Telamon,

1 - Your 'attempt to be Bombastic* here does nothing to Advance
your Arguement. [ Makes you sound like the loser. ]

* An Agressive Emotional Reaction -when- Confronted with Facts.

2 - Plus it Helps to make d'Eduardo appear to be more Creditable.
[ Makes him 'sound' like he is Winning. ]

just trying to be helpful ~ RHF
�.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
-
- You're the pot

-ps- I Don't Do "Pot".

- calling the kettle black!

My Kettle has a Copper Bottom : Just like my Shortwave
Radio Listening (SWL) Antennas are made of Copper Wire.

Yes Pocket Radio - I am many things . . .
and one of those things is that I enjoy
"Free" Over-the-Air AM & FM Radio ~ RHF

"dave" wrote in message
...
One of the turning points on the way to the demise of traditional
broadcasting in the USA was the NAB's flat refusal to adopt Eureka 147
because legacy stations would lose their higher-power legacy facilities
and AM would have equal footing with FM.


Eureka did not even get to the NAB level; the band in the US is reserved for
military uses. It has failed miserably in canada, too.

Since then, Sirius and XM filled the void. Radio has been bleeding red
ever since.

No, satellite has been bleeding. Clear Channel had EBITDA of $1.8 billion
last year while the satellite companies collectively lost $1.6 billion.

Radio billings were up 2% last year.

wrote in message
...
On Feb 22, 11:13?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

These chips are vaporwear, Eduardo! And, no one is going to want these
battery-hogs, anyway!

The chips are shipping, as announced at the CES by Samsung.

craigm wrote:




Looks to me like the Samsung chipset is klunky compared to the competitor:

"...Samsung's HD Radio baseband processor, based on Tensilica's
programmable core, integrates the baseband, memory, SDRAM and flash in a
system-in-package measuring 9 x 9 mm. Including the companion RF chip,
the chip set's total power consumption is 150 mW...

....Sunder Velamuri, vice president of marketing at SiPort, said power
dissipation of the mixed-signal device is expected to be "around 100 mW
in typical configurations." He added that the chip, essentially "a
software radio," can tune and demodulate not only analog AM/FM and HD
Radio but also DAB and DMB-T, making it ready for the global market.
Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. is fabricating the device..."

David Eduardo wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
...
One of the turning points on the way to the demise of traditional
broadcasting in the USA was the NAB's flat refusal to adopt Eureka 147
because legacy stations would lose their higher-power legacy facilities
and AM would have equal footing with FM.


Eureka did not even get to the NAB level; the band in the US is reserved for
military uses. It has failed miserably in canada, too.

Since then, Sirius and XM filled the void. Radio has been bleeding red
ever since.

No, satellite has been bleeding. Clear Channel had EBITDA of $1.8 billion
last year while the satellite companies collectively lost $1.6 billion.

Radio billings were up 2% last year.


Everybody's bleeding 'cept for me and my monkey.

In article
,
RHF wrote:

On Feb 22, 9:28*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,





*Telamon wrote:
In article
,
*Telamon wrote:

In article ,
*"David Eduardo" wrote:

http://www.rwonline.com/shows the cover of the current Radio
World magazine, where the lead article is about the Samsung chip,
built around a SHDR100A peripheral processor and the SDHR200A
main processor and flash and RAM memory and which is currently
available. The article discusses the power requirements and all
kinds of other HD developments shown at CES, including the SiPort
chip, which is also available to manufacturers now. Both consume
between 120 and 180 mW of power. Both chips are intended for
integrated devices.

If you qualify for an online subscription, you can read the
entire article.

I looked at the SiPort web page and the company is just a shell company
composed of management types. The news and events page just states
"stay
tuned." This has not changed since last spring when I looked them up.
http://www.siport.com/news.htm

I can only find two Radio World articles about them from last spring
and
one even older article about them here from 2005, which is a press
release from the CEO.
http://www.intelportfolio.com/CPS/CoProfile.aspx?co_id=962

The Samsung semiconductor web page does not have these part numbers.
The
prefix does not appear to be a part of their part numbering scheme. Try
your luck here and let me know if you find anything.
http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...oductsearch/pa..
.

Pardon me for replying to my own post but here is some information from
TI. The following link is their concept HD radio, which could also be
used for other digital radio formats such as DRM. The information here
is kind of dated. TI produces entire lines of DSP/CPU chips that can be
programed to do just just about anything you would want.

What is significant to note here is that they have not developed a
reference design, or have application notes, and have not developed any
specific tools for this application. Since iBiquity owns this
proprietary software scheme you would have to have a license for a copy
on the EEPROM in the block diagram.
http://focus.ti.com/docs/solution/folders/print/8.html?DCMP=OTC-dsp_s...

Note that the news release at the bottom is 2/6/2006.

- Probably the only way I'm going to have a technical
- discussion is with myself.

Telamon,

Then make it a Non-Technical {little-less-technical} discussion
so that the rest of us Not-So-Technical Readers can follow-a-long.
Know your Readers and write to a Level that they can Understand.

keep it simple and practicle {kisap} ~ RHF
.

Maybe I should start with words no longer than 8 letters. Bummer, I
could not use the word technical then.

That brings me the better idea that you get educated in SWL, radios,
antennas, and the technology used to make them happen.

Or you could just leave. I like this idea the best. Go with it.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article
,
RHF wrote:

On Feb 23, 1:23*am, RHF wrote:
On Feb 22, 9:28*pm, Telamon





wrote:
In article
,

*Telamon wrote:
In article
,
*Telamon wrote:

In article ,
*"David Eduardo" wrote:

http://www.rwonline.com/showsthe cover of the current Radio
World magazine, where the lead article is about the Samsung chip,
built around a SHDR100A peripheral processor and the SDHR200A
main processor and flash and RAM memory and which is currently
available. The article discusses the power requirements and all
kinds of other HD developments shown at CES, including the SiPort
chip, which is also available to manufacturers now. Both consume
between 120 and 180 mW of power. Both chips are intended for
integrated devices.

If you qualify for an online subscription, you can read the
entire article.

I looked at the SiPort web page and the company is just a shell
company
composed of management types. The news and events page just states
"stay
tuned." This has not changed since last spring when I looked them up.
http://www.siport.com/news.htm

I can only find two Radio World articles about them from last spring
and
one even older article about them here from 2005, which is a press
release from the CEO.
http://www.intelportfolio.com/CPS/CoProfile.aspx?co_id=962

The Samsung semiconductor web page does not have these part numbers.
The
prefix does not appear to be a part of their part numbering scheme.
Try
your luck here and let me know if you find anything.
http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...oductsearch/pa
...

Pardon me for replying to my own post but here is some information from
TI. The following link is their concept HD radio, which could also be
used for other digital radio formats such as DRM. The information here
is kind of dated. TI produces entire lines of DSP/CPU chips that can be
programed to do just just about anything you would want.

What is significant to note here is that they have not developed a
reference design, or have application notes, and have not developed any
specific tools for this application. Since iBiquity owns this
proprietary software scheme you would have to have a license for a copy
on the EEPROM in the block diagram.
http://focus.ti.com/docs/solution/fo...DCMP=OTC-dsp_s..
.

Note that the news release at the bottom is 2/6/2006.

- Probably the only way I'm going to have a technical
- discussion is with myself.

Telamon,

Then make it a Non-Technical {little-less-technical} discussion
so that the rest of us Not-So-Technical Readers can follow-a-long.
Know your Readers and write to a Level that they can Understand.

- keep it simple and practicle {kisap} ~ RHF

-sp- "practical"

I don't think the subject matter can be conveyed using Leggo blocks.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article ,
craigm wrote:

dave wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message

...
You obviously know less about component marketing than you pretend to
know.
Really? What have I written that shows you I don't know what I write
about here?

This article was written last spring 3/1/07. Everything written is
being
proposed about the "chip".
Radio World is the authoritative technical publication for
broadcasting, and
has been for some time. If their reporters say they saw the chip
working in
a prototype, the chip exists and works. If they say it is shipping,
it´s shipping.

References to a TI project that did not develop several years ago are
irrelevant and an attempt to obfuscate.
There is nothing on the SiPort or Sansung web sites to indicate that a
"chip" that has been developed or shipping. There is nothing on the
Radio World web site to indicate that they saw a prototype working. All
statements I have read on the Radio World web site were promotional
forward looking statements.

The website has little abstracts of the magazine content, but to get the
full magazine, you have to qualify. Get the magazine if you can. It
answers all your questions.
Now I want a link or a quote to the contrary otherwise shut the hell up.
I'm not taking your word for it. It is put up or shut up time Eduardo.


No, it's time for you to stop objecting to every piece of evidence by
asking for more evidence or by disbelieving actual facts. Radio World is
the journal of record for radio broadcast engineering. If you are so
insignificant as to not even be able to obtain the magazine, that's not
my problem.

All the information about HD developments shown at the CES are in Radio
World, in an edition with several lengthy articles about HD developments
that is so extensive that it discusses the power requirements of each of
the chips in different operating situations.



http://www.eetimes.com/TechSearch/Se...Site+ID=EE+Tim
es&queryText=IBOC&Search.x=14&Search.y=10&Search=S earch

A search here reveals no revolutionary developments in the HD Radio/IBOC
chip universe.

Using the right search criteria ("digital radio")can lead you to this
article.
http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.j...SNDLPCK HSCJU
NN2JVN?articleID=205205995
Note the reference to Samsung in the article.

Which references the same few news releases I have already seen from
earlier 2007, which promise future development. There are no press
releases that state these promises have actually happened. There are no
specification sheets, no application notes, no reference design
examples, no number to call to get samples.

These parts are vaporware.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
dave wrote:

craigm wrote:



Looks to me like the Samsung chipset is klunky compared to the competitor:

"...Samsung's HD Radio baseband processor, based on Tensilica's
programmable core, integrates the baseband, memory, SDRAM and flash in a
system-in-package measuring 9 x 9 mm. Including the companion RF chip,
the chip set's total power consumption is 150 mW...

...Sunder Velamuri, vice president of marketing at SiPort, said power
dissipation of the mixed-signal device is expected to be "around 100 mW
in typical configurations." He added that the chip, essentially "a
software radio," can tune and demodulate not only analog AM/FM and HD
Radio but also DAB and DMB-T, making it ready for the global market.
Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. is fabricating the device..."

There are no chips developed for HD radio. Sansung and TI have some
years old notes on how you can use a set of their respective general
purpose chips DSP/CPU and analog baseband devices to make an HD radio.
For these parts to work as an HD radio they need additional support
devices and the license to use the ibiquity software. A lot of power
must be used to drive all this.

That's not what it says. It says it uses ca. 100 mW in "typical
configurations". It says it "can tune and demodulate" so I would think
any "additional support devices" wouldn't be that big a deal.