Hi
I was wondering if anybody had tried one of these.
Watson Miller SW Antenna
http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...f9ac7ab286fbca

I was thinking of getting one.
thanks
vangellis

In message , vangellis
writes
Hi
I was wondering if anybody had tried one of these.
Watson Miller SW Antenna
http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...g-antenna-30mh
z-passive-p-4085.html?osCsid=ba1bff9be9f92c719ff9ac7ab286fbca

I was thinking of getting one.
thanks
vangellis


It looks sort-of like a VHF 'Slim Jim' / 'J-Pole' (but it can't be, can
it?). I suspect that this part of the description is very true -
"Totally passive, there is also no risk of receiver overload".
--
Ian

In article ,
"vangellis" wrote:

Hi
I was wondering if anybody had tried one of these.
Watson Miller SW Antenna
http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...nna-30mhz-pass
ive-p-4085.html?osCsid=ba1bff9be9f92c719ff9ac7ab286fbca

I was thinking of getting one.
thanks

Looks like a vertical folded dipole that is too small for SW.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Mar 31, 5:55*pm, Ian Jackson
wrote:
In message , vangellis
writesHi
I was wondering if anybody had tried one of these.
Watson Miller SW Antenna
http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...g-antenna-30mh
z-passive-p-4085.html?osCsid=ba1bff9be9f92c719ff9ac7ab286fbca

I was thinking of getting one.
thanks
vangellis

It looks sort-of like a VHF 'Slim Jim' / 'J-Pole' (but it can't be, can
it?). I suspect that this part of the description is very true -
"Totally passive, there is also no risk of receiver overload".
--
Ian

I used to switch between a G5RV (a horizontal dipole over 100' long)
and a J-pole for 2 meters (a vertical about 8' long). Under some
conditions the short vertical outperformed the long horizontal - could
be due to the elevation angle or maybe the azimuth of the desired
signal favouring its radiation pattern and vice versa. Also could be
due to one pattern discriminating better against unwanted signals and
noise. The small antenna's diminishing efficiency at lower frequencies
is an advantage as it helps to prevent receiver overload by strong
signals at these frequencies. Getting such an antenna up as high as
possible and as far away as possible from local interference sources
and connecting it to the radio via shielded cable can result in a
pretty decent SW antenna. If you still have a VHF-TV antenna on your
roof, you might be surprised at how well it may work as a SW antenna.
Or take your radio up on the roof and see how much better reception is
with its little telescoping antenna than on the ground floor.

Tom

On Apr 2, 2:41*am, RHF wrote:
On Apr 1, 5:47*pm, Telamon
wrote: In article ,

- - "vangellis" wrote:
- -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf

- Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell
- where the coax connects.
- My best guess remains a folded dipole.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California

Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ?

Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All
"Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! !

Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . .
cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~ RHF
*.
-ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read
the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File.
*.
--pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on
the Facts. -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
*.
-obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but...
I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply first. ;-}
*.

Telamon - Do you need another day ? ~ RHF

In article
,
RHF wrote:

On Apr 2, 2:41*am, RHF wrote:
On Apr 1, 5:47*pm, Telamon
wrote: In article ,

- - "vangellis" wrote:
- -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf

- Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell
- where the coax connects.
- My best guess remains a folded dipole.
-
-
- Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ?
-
- Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All
- "Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! !
-
- Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . .
- cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~ RHF
- *.
- -ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read
- the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File.
- *.
- --pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on
- the Facts. - http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
- *.
- -obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but...
- I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply first. ;-}
- *.

Telamon - Do you need another Day ? ~ RHF
.

Is there something I wrote that is not clear? There is no coax connected
in the picture in the link. The brief specification does not say what
type of basic antenna it is based on so I made my best guess.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article
,
RHF wrote:

On Apr 3, 10:43*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,





*RHF wrote:
On Apr 2, 2:41*am, RHF wrote:
On Apr 1, 5:47*pm, Telamon
wrote: In article ,

- - "vangellis" wrote:
- -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf

- Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell
- where the coax connects.
- My best guess remains a folded dipole.
-
- - -
- - - Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ?
- - -
- - - Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All
- - - "Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! !
- - -
- - - Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . .
- - - cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~ RHF
- - - .
- - - -ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read
- - - the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File.
- - - .
- - - --pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on
- - - the Facts. -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
- - - .
- - - -obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but...
- - - I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply
first. ;-}
- - - .

- - Telamon - Do you need another Day ? ~ RHF
- - .

- Is there something I wrote that is not clear?

1st Reply :
"Looks like a vertical folded dipole that is too small for SW."
Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is wrong on two counts.

2nd Reply :
"My best guess remains a folded dipole."
Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is still wrong.

- There is no coax connected in the picture in the link.

Teli - Both Links state "SO-239 Socket" that is
incorporated into a Waterproof Housing.

Window's users can use the Change "Zoom Level"
Function in the lower-right-corner of the screen.
Normally it shows a '+' Magnifying Glass with 100%.
Take it up to 400% and look again.
http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...nna-30mhz-pass
ive-p-4085.html

The Adobe PDF Files also have a Zoom-In & Out Function.
http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
Adobe Reader Tool Bar top-center '-' 122% '+'
Take it up to 400% and look again.

I did. I can't tell what is in the pixilated image. You have a good
imagination.

- The brief specification does not say what type of
- basic antenna it is based on so I made my best guess.

Teli - The "Info" is there to Read and Interpret;
with very little gussing required.

OK retard I've had enough. So what is the basic antenna type for this
Miller antenna?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Apr 4, 6:36*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,





*RHF wrote:
On Apr 3, 10:43*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,

*RHF wrote:
On Apr 2, 2:41*am, RHF wrote:
On Apr 1, 5:47*pm, Telamon
wrote: In article ,

- - "vangellis" wrote:
- -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf

- Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell
- where the coax connects.
- My best guess remains a folded dipole.
-
- - -
- - - Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ?
- - -
- - - Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All
- - - "Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! !
- - -
- - - Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . .
- - - cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~ RHF
- - - *.
- - - -ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read
- - - the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File.
- - - *.
- - - --pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on
- - - the Facts. -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
- - - *.
- - - -obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but...
- - - I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply
first. ;-}
- - - *.

- - Telamon - Do you need another Day ? ~ RHF
- - *.

- Is there something I wrote that is not clear?

1st Reply :
"Looks like a vertical folded dipole that is too small for SW."
Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is wrong on two counts.

2nd Reply :
"My best guess remains a folded dipole."
Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is still wrong.

- There is no coax connected in the picture in the link.

Teli - Both Links state "SO-239 Socket" that is
incorporated into a Waterproof Housing.

Window's users can use the Change "Zoom Level"
Function in the lower-right-corner of the screen.
Normally it shows a '+' Magnifying Glass with 100%.
Take it up to 400% and look again.
http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...ving-antenna-3...
ive-p-4085.html

The Adobe PDF Files also have a Zoom-In & Out Function.
http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
Adobe Reader Tool Bar top-center '-' 122% '+'
Take it up to 400% and look again.

I did. I can't tell what is in the pixilated image. You have a good
imagination.

- The brief specification does not say what type of
- basic antenna it is based on so I made my best guess.

- - Teli - The "Info" is there to Read and Interpret;
- - with very little gussing required.
-
- OK retard I've had enough.
-
- So what is the basic antenna type
- for this Miller antenna?
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California
-

Telamon,

OK let's see if I have got this straight.

You {Mister-Super-Ego} the Subject-Matter-Expert on
all things Electrical and Electronic back by your vast
knowledge of the Theory of it all; can 'only' venture a
"Guess" based on the Pictures . . .

-or- Maybe Teli you are just too Lazy to take the time
and Read Two (2) Pages and make an "Educated Guess"
based on the Facts stated in/on them ?

-But- Then Teli you call me the RETARD !

doh ! - it boggles the mind . . . ~ RHF

"RHF" wrote in message
...
On Apr 4, 6:36 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,





RHF wrote:
On Apr 3, 10:43 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,

RHF wrote:
On Apr 2, 2:41 am, RHF wrote:
On Apr 1, 5:47 pm, Telamon

wrote: In article ,

- - "vangellis" wrote:
- -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf

- Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell
- where the coax connects.
- My best guess remains a folded dipole.
-
- - -
- - - Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ?
- - -
- - - Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All
- - - "Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! !
- - -
- - - Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . .
- - - cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~ RHF
- - - .
- - - -ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read
- - - the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File.
- - - .
- - - --pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on
- - - the Facts. -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
- - - .
- - - -obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but...
- - - I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply
first. ;-}
- - - .

- - Telamon - Do you need another Day ? ~ RHF
- - .

- Is there something I wrote that is not clear?

1st Reply :
"Looks like a vertical folded dipole that is too small for SW."
Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is wrong on two counts.

2nd Reply :
"My best guess remains a folded dipole."
Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is still wrong.

- There is no coax connected in the picture in the link.

Teli - Both Links state "SO-239 Socket" that is
incorporated into a Waterproof Housing.

Window's users can use the Change "Zoom Level"
Function in the lower-right-corner of the screen.
Normally it shows a '+' Magnifying Glass with 100%.
Take it up to 400% and look again.
http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...ving-antenna-3...
ive-p-4085.html

The Adobe PDF Files also have a Zoom-In & Out Function.
http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
Adobe Reader Tool Bar top-center '-' 122% '+'
Take it up to 400% and look again.

I did. I can't tell what is in the pixilated image. You have a good
imagination.

- The brief specification does not say what type of
- basic antenna it is based on so I made my best guess.

- - Teli - The "Info" is there to Read and Interpret;
- - with very little gussing required.
-
- OK retard I've had enough.
-
- So what is the basic antenna type
- for this Miller antenna?
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California
-

Telamon,

OK let's see if I have got this straight.

You {Mister-Super-Ego} the Subject-Matter-Expert on
all things Electrical and Electronic back by your vast
knowledge of the Theory of it all; can 'only' venture a
"Guess" based on the Pictures . . .

-or- Maybe Teli you are just too Lazy to take the time
and Read Two (2) Pages and make an "Educated Guess"
based on the Facts stated in/on them ?

-But- Then Teli you call me the RETARD !

doh ! - it boggles the mind . . . ~ RHF

On Apr 5, 9:31 am, "vangellis" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message

* * * * * * Five Star Snip * * * * *

- Gentlemen,
-
- Please!!!!!
- Enough of this bickering.
-
- With respect RHF,
- would you say I would benefit from buying this antenna
- and using it instead of my 30 foot end fed longwire
- (I am limited for space)
-
- regards Vangellis
- UK
-

Vangellis - The Short Answer is : "No". ~ RHF

The - L - o - n - g - Answer is :

Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SWL) Receiving Antenna ?
-versus- 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ?

Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SW) Receiving Antenna
(WMSWA) has a Listed Price of £ 69.95 GBP which is
~ $ 139.50 USD ~ EURO 88.70 EUR

You now state that you already have a : 30 Foot End-Fed
Long-Wire (30 Ft. EFLW) Antenna in use.

IMHO - That is a better beginning then to try and use a
smaller and shorter 6 Foot Long bent Antenna made-up
of 12 Foot of Metal.

Your Present 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna has
a 5-to-1 Advantage in Size over the WMSW Antenna.
Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better.

Your Present 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna has a
2.5-to-1 Advantage in Length over the WMSW Antenna.
Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better.

The 'crude' calculation for Signal Capture Area
* 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna
30' x 12" x 1" = 360 Square Inches
* WMSW Antenna
2m x 39.37" x 3" = 236 Square Inches
Which is 1.5-to-1 Advantage in Signal Capture Area
Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better.

KEEP - The 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna.

QUESTIONS :

Q # 1 - Vangellis are you using a good earthen 8-Foot
Copper Ground Rod with the 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire
Antenna and for your Radios and Equipment in your Home ?
* You Should Be.
+ Improve your Antenna and Radio Shack with a Ground
for Less Noise and Better Safety.

Q # 2 - Vangellis are you using a Coax Cable feed-in-line
with the 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ?
* You Should Be.
+ Improve your Antenna with a Coax Cable feed-in-line
for Less Noise and a Better Signal.

Q # 3 - Vangellis are you using a Matching Transformer
(Balun) -aka- Magnetic Longwire Balun "MLB" with your
30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ?
* You Should Be.
+ Improve your Antenna with a Matching Transformer
for Less Noise and a Better Signal.

Q # 3 - Vangellis is your 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire
Antenna 'configured' in the Shape of an Inverted "L"
Antenna ?
* It Should Be.
+ Make Qs 1, 2 and 3 a lot easier To-Do and All Three
'together' work a lot better {Synergy} for Less Noise
and a Better Signal.

INVERTED "L" ANTENNA
Picture of an Inverted "L" Antenna Set-Up and Rigging
http://www.geocities.com/qrp_baluns/app-swlz.html
http://www.kc7nod.20m.com/improved_rw.htm
http://www.radiohc.org/Distributions...s/lantenna.gif
http://www.part15.us/encyclopedia/images/ant1.gif
http://www.bloomington.in.us/~wh2t/i...dl_files/L.jpg

Universal Magnetic Balun [UMB 130] - Price £ 24.95 GBP
http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/buy.html
About the "Universal Magnetic Balun" (UMB)
http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/UMB.html

The Right-Way {and Wrong-Way} to Install a LongWire Antenna.
http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/longwire.html
Low Noise Longwire Antenna using the UMB -by- Wellbrook.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...5cc467b35a70d5

READ - Question is 'it' a Longwire {Random Wire} Antenna
-or- Inverted "L" Antenna ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...364956151adbba

READ - Flipping the Inverted "L" Antenna 'Back-to-Front'
= Better Performance
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4b09ea224f4434

READ - End Fed Shortwave Listening (SWL)
Antenna Reccomendations ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...7277e8657b87ae


vangellis - hope this helps - iane ~ RHF {pomkia}