"Drakefan" wrote in message
news:nbZMj.6329$eg2.2049@trndny06...
Michael wrote:
Hiya...

Been a while since I posted here. For the sake of noise suppression as
affective lightning protection is almost hopeless without gas tubes, what
would be the minimum gauge wire that you could use for a ground from the
radio to a ground spike and from a matching transformer to a ground spike
??? Yes, I know there is loads of info on the net, but I would like some
active opinions as some recent discussions I have had on this has been
conflicting.

Also... I've gotten conflicting opinions on this one too. If you have a
long wire or beverage set up on a matching transformer like the ICE 180,
there is a ground receptacle on the matching transformer. Would you:

A. Use a separate ground wire from the matching transformer to the
ground spike and another separate ground wire from the receiver to the
ground spike ???

or

B. Use one single ground wire from the receiver's ground port going up
to the matching transformer and then to the ground spike ???


I know this stuff is antenna-101, but I'm interested to see what the
opinions here are

Thanx in advance !!!

Mike D.
Northern NJ
First, the balun shouldn't be up in the air. It should be close to the
ground at the lower end of the vertical downlead wire of the inverted-L
antenna. Then you can use a short, less than three feet, length of
grounding wire from the balun to the rod. The ground wire should be at
least 10-gauge, preferably larger, like 6 or 4-gauge. The coax should run
on or in the ground to the house and then to the radio. This will prevent
it from picking up noise on the coax shield, which can happen when the
coax is up in the air. It's not absolutely necessary to ground the coax
shield again near the radio if you follow the above advice.


Thank you for all the replies. My evil plan is this. Since I cant get the
matching transformer away from the house, I will secure it to the house's
brick chimney. The chimney goes all the way to the concrete foundation and
should make an excellent ground. The ICE 180's housing is metal/ground and
it has holes to be secured to an external mount. I plan to use screws
directly into the brick. I also plan to use a separate ground wire from the
radio to a brass ground spike. I'll be using 16 gauge wire to do this. I
think this should be a decent set up. I'll have a coax lead going from the
matching transformer on the chimney into the shack. That will be 30 or so
feet. The receiving wire will be erected on the roof. I may just coil 200
feet around the top of the chimney to keep it away from the house. That
would probably be better then running it around the outline of the house as
far as noise goes. Noise is a big issue here in north NJ.

Thanx Again

Mike D.

Michael wrote:

"Drakefan" wrote in message
news:nbZMj.6329$eg2.2049@trndny06...
Michael wrote:
Hiya...

Been a while since I posted here. For the sake of noise suppression as
affective lightning protection is almost hopeless without gas tubes, what
would be the minimum gauge wire that you could use for a ground from the
radio to a ground spike and from a matching transformer to a ground spike
??? Yes, I know there is loads of info on the net, but I would like some
active opinions as some recent discussions I have had on this has been
conflicting.

Also... I've gotten conflicting opinions on this one too. If you have a
long wire or beverage set up on a matching transformer like the ICE 180,
there is a ground receptacle on the matching transformer. Would you:

A. Use a separate ground wire from the matching transformer to the
ground spike and another separate ground wire from the receiver to the
ground spike ???

or

B. Use one single ground wire from the receiver's ground port going up
to the matching transformer and then to the ground spike ???


I know this stuff is antenna-101, but I'm interested to see what the
opinions here are

Thanx in advance !!!

Mike D.
Northern NJ
First, the balun shouldn't be up in the air. It should be close to the
ground at the lower end of the vertical downlead wire of the inverted-L
antenna. Then you can use a short, less than three feet, length of
grounding wire from the balun to the rod. The ground wire should be at
least 10-gauge, preferably larger, like 6 or 4-gauge. The coax should run
on or in the ground to the house and then to the radio. This will prevent
it from picking up noise on the coax shield, which can happen when the
coax is up in the air. It's not absolutely necessary to ground the coax
shield again near the radio if you follow the above advice.

Thank you for all the replies. My evil plan is this. Since I cant get the
matching transformer away from the house, I will secure it to the house's
brick chimney. The chimney goes all the way to the concrete foundation and
should make an excellent ground.

Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent ground.

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"Drakefan" wrote in message
news:nbZMj.6329$eg2.2049@trndny06...
Michael wrote:
Hiya...

Been a while since I posted here. For the sake of noise suppression
as
affective lightning protection is almost hopeless without gas tubes,
what
would be the minimum gauge wire that you could use for a ground from
the
radio to a ground spike and from a matching transformer to a ground
spike
??? Yes, I know there is loads of info on the net, but I would like
some
active opinions as some recent discussions I have had on this has been
conflicting.

Also... I've gotten conflicting opinions on this one too. If you have
a
long wire or beverage set up on a matching transformer like the ICE
180,
there is a ground receptacle on the matching transformer. Would you:

A. Use a separate ground wire from the matching transformer to the
ground spike and another separate ground wire from the receiver to the
ground spike ???

or

B. Use one single ground wire from the receiver's ground port going
up
to the matching transformer and then to the ground spike ???


I know this stuff is antenna-101, but I'm interested to see what the
opinions here are

Thanx in advance !!!

Mike D.
Northern NJ
First, the balun shouldn't be up in the air. It should be close to the
ground at the lower end of the vertical downlead wire of the inverted-L
antenna. Then you can use a short, less than three feet, length of
grounding wire from the balun to the rod. The ground wire should be at
least 10-gauge, preferably larger, like 6 or 4-gauge. The coax should
run
on or in the ground to the house and then to the radio. This will
prevent
it from picking up noise on the coax shield, which can happen when the
coax is up in the air. It's not absolutely necessary to ground the coax
shield again near the radio if you follow the above advice.

Thank you for all the replies. My evil plan is this. Since I cant get
the
matching transformer away from the house, I will secure it to the house's
brick chimney. The chimney goes all the way to the concrete foundation
and
should make an excellent ground.

Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent
ground.



What in the hell are you talking about?

Burr's Radio Shack - http://tinyurl.com/3wuscn

Red Mountain, California / Bulacan, Philippines

"Michael"

Think the balun (ICE-180) will hold up outside in the weather without
being covered in a weatherproofing goop ???

Thanx for giving it to me straight...

Michael

Pack it in Vaseline!

Burr

In article ,
dxAce wrote:

Michael wrote:

"Drakefan" wrote in message
news:nbZMj.6329$eg2.2049@trndny06...
Michael wrote:
Hiya...

Been a while since I posted here. For the sake of noise suppression as
affective lightning protection is almost hopeless without gas tubes, what
would be the minimum gauge wire that you could use for a ground from the
radio to a ground spike and from a matching transformer to a ground spike
??? Yes, I know there is loads of info on the net, but I would like some
active opinions as some recent discussions I have had on this has been
conflicting.

Also... I've gotten conflicting opinions on this one too. If you have a
long wire or beverage set up on a matching transformer like the ICE 180,
there is a ground receptacle on the matching transformer. Would you:

A. Use a separate ground wire from the matching transformer to the
ground spike and another separate ground wire from the receiver to the
ground spike ???

or

B. Use one single ground wire from the receiver's ground port going up
to the matching transformer and then to the ground spike ???


I know this stuff is antenna-101, but I'm interested to see what the
opinions here are

Thanx in advance !!!

Mike D.
Northern NJ
First, the balun shouldn't be up in the air. It should be close to the
ground at the lower end of the vertical downlead wire of the inverted-L
antenna. Then you can use a short, less than three feet, length of
grounding wire from the balun to the rod. The ground wire should be at
least 10-gauge, preferably larger, like 6 or 4-gauge. The coax should run
on or in the ground to the house and then to the radio. This will prevent
it from picking up noise on the coax shield, which can happen when the
coax is up in the air. It's not absolutely necessary to ground the coax
shield again near the radio if you follow the above advice.

Thank you for all the replies. My evil plan is this. Since I cant get the
matching transformer away from the house, I will secure it to the house's
brick chimney. The chimney goes all the way to the concrete foundation and
should make an excellent ground.

Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent ground.

Well lets see.

1. If you pack earth (mud) together and bake it you get the bricks that
make up the chimney.

2. If you are RHF you have a brick head.

3. If you are Drakefan or DxAce you might as well be talking to a brick
wall.

How did I do?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article ,
"Burr" wrote:

"Michael"

Think the balun (ICE-180) will hold up outside in the weather without
being covered in a weatherproofing goop ???

Thanx for giving it to me straight...

Michael

Pack it in Vaseline!

Burr

Might as well.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article ,
"Michael" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"Drakefan" wrote in message
news:nbZMj.6329$eg2.2049@trndny06...
Michael wrote:
Hiya...

Been a while since I posted here. For the sake of noise
suppression as affective lightning protection is almost
hopeless without gas tubes, what would be the minimum gauge
wire that you could use for a ground from the radio to a ground
spike and from a matching transformer to a ground spike ???
Yes, I know there is loads of info on the net, but I would like
some active opinions as some recent discussions I have had on
this has been conflicting.

Also... I've gotten conflicting opinions on this one too. If
you have a long wire or beverage set up on a matching
transformer like the ICE 180, there is a ground receptacle on
the matching transformer. Would you:

A. Use a separate ground wire from the matching transformer to
the ground spike and another separate ground wire from the
receiver to the ground spike ???

or

B. Use one single ground wire from the receiver's ground port
going up to the matching transformer and then to the ground
spike ???


I know this stuff is antenna-101, but I'm interested to see
what the opinions here are

Thanx in advance !!!

Mike D. Northern NJ
First, the balun shouldn't be up in the air. It should be close
to the ground at the lower end of the vertical downlead wire of
the inverted-L antenna. Then you can use a short, less than
three feet, length of grounding wire from the balun to the rod.
The ground wire should be at least 10-gauge, preferably larger,
like 6 or 4-gauge. The coax should run on or in the ground to
the house and then to the radio. This will prevent it from
picking up noise on the coax shield, which can happen when the
coax is up in the air. It's not absolutely necessary to ground
the coax shield again near the radio if you follow the above
advice.

Thank you for all the replies. My evil plan is this. Since I
cant get the matching transformer away from the house, I will
secure it to the house's brick chimney. The chimney goes all the
way to the concrete foundation and should make an excellent
ground.

Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an
excellent ground.

How about, the best thing approximating ground that is available on
my roof ???

Get a dead chicken from the market, put it in a paper bag, stand up on
your roof swinging the dead chicken in the bag around in a circle above
your head and chant RHF, RHF over and over until your reception
improves.

If that does not work try shouting Billy boy while doing the same.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article ,
dxAce wrote:

Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"Drakefan" wrote in message
news:nbZMj.6329$eg2.2049@trndny06...
Michael wrote:
Hiya...

Been a while since I posted here. For the sake of noise suppression
as
affective lightning protection is almost hopeless without gas tubes,
what
would be the minimum gauge wire that you could use for a ground from
the
radio to a ground spike and from a matching transformer to a ground
spike
??? Yes, I know there is loads of info on the net, but I would like
some
active opinions as some recent discussions I have had on this has been
conflicting.

Also... I've gotten conflicting opinions on this one too. If you have
a
long wire or beverage set up on a matching transformer like the ICE
180,
there is a ground receptacle on the matching transformer. Would you:

A. Use a separate ground wire from the matching transformer to the
ground spike and another separate ground wire from the receiver to the
ground spike ???

or

B. Use one single ground wire from the receiver's ground port going
up
to the matching transformer and then to the ground spike ???


I know this stuff is antenna-101, but I'm interested to see what the
opinions here are

Thanx in advance !!!

Mike D.
Northern NJ
First, the balun shouldn't be up in the air. It should be close to the
ground at the lower end of the vertical downlead wire of the inverted-L
antenna. Then you can use a short, less than three feet, length of
grounding wire from the balun to the rod. The ground wire should be at
least 10-gauge, preferably larger, like 6 or 4-gauge. The coax should
run
on or in the ground to the house and then to the radio. This will
prevent
it from picking up noise on the coax shield, which can happen when the
coax is up in the air. It's not absolutely necessary to ground the coax
shield again near the radio if you follow the above advice.

Thank you for all the replies. My evil plan is this. Since I cant get
the
matching transformer away from the house, I will secure it to the house's
brick chimney. The chimney goes all the way to the concrete foundation
and
should make an excellent ground.

Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent
ground.

How about, the best thing approximating ground that is available on my roof
???

A brick chimney isn't even close to approximating ground.

It probably just 20 or 30 feet above ground. Should be close enough
don't you think?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:

Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent ground.

Well lets see.

1. If you pack earth (mud) together and bake it you get the bricks that
make up the chimney.

2. If you are RHF you have a brick head.

3. If you are Drakefan or DxAce you might as well be talking to a brick
wall.

How did I do?


Not particularly well, I'm afraid. Poor composition and petty personal
attacks detract from what could have been a fine demonstration of the
term non-sequitur. Our ratings board gives the posting a 3 1/2 out of ten.




mike

"m II" wrote in message news:cDxNj.121$og.91@edtnps91...
Telamon wrote:

Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent
ground.

Well lets see.

1. If you pack earth (mud) together and bake it you get the bricks that
make up the chimney.

2. If you are RHF you have a brick head.

3. If you are Drakefan or DxAce you might as well be talking to a brick
wall.

How did I do?


Not particularly well, I'm afraid. Poor composition and petty personal
attacks detract from what could have been a fine demonstration of the
term non-sequitur. Our ratings board gives the posting a 3 1/2 out of ten.




mike

Mike, what's a "non-sequitur" and what does it do to the radio???

Burr