"Whatever is said, whatever is written, IBOC will be over sooner
rather than later. Radio is becoming a financial train wreck, and
Congress is putting the thumbscrews on the corrupt FCC. A federal
court just ruled that the FCC ignored interference problems with
broadband-over-power-lines (BPL) and IBOC is also being pointed to by
the House Commerce Committee. Very shortly the massive failure of HD
Radio in the marketplace, its endless technical faults, the
confiscatory licensing, and the lousy receivers will all be revealed
for all to see. IBOC is already a bad consumer-electronics joke. And
its fortunes are about to take a decided turn for the worse. Say and
believe what you will, IBOC's fate is no longer in the dirty hands of
iBiquity, the Alliance and the NAB."

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index....html#msg767627

IBOCcrock -of- HD Radio Farce Blog-Spot
http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/

In article
,
RHF wrote:

IBOCcrock -of- HD Radio Farce Blog-Spot
http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/
.
DOH ! Quoting a Blog/Newsgroup : AIN'T NEWS -or- FACTUAL [.]

SNIP

You mean like you?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On May 1, 12:09*pm, RHF wrote:
IBOCcrock -of- HD Radio Farce Blog-Spothttp://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/
*.
DOH ! Quoting a Blog/Newsgroup : AIN'T NEWS -or- FACTUAL [.]
*.
Hoping, Wanting and Dreaming That IBOC Will Go Away :
Ain't Going To Make It Happen . ~ RHF
*.
IBOC : HD-Radio May Suck -but- It Is The Suckers
That Will Make It a Success ! -by- RHFhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0ce2564e2517a12c
*.
HD-Radio : May Suck -but- The Suckers Will Make It a Success !
*.
Just be Honest and Think About It for a Minute.
[ Thinking With-In The {Radio} Box ]
*.
To the Average {non-technical} AM/FM Radio Listener :
*.
Who Lives in a Major Metro Area; and
*.
Listens only to a Few (3~4) or Several (6~8) of
*.
Their Local AM/FM "Analog" Radio Stations;
*.
For Now IBOC AM/FM "HD" Radio has Changed Nothing.
*.
Cause - They can still hear their good old "Analog"
Local AM/FM Radio Stations inspite of IBOC.
*.
IBOC - Passes the First Test of "Dual Mode" Analog and
Digital AM/FM Radio Reception : People being able to
Still Hear the Analog Mode. [No Diruption in Their Present
Analog Radio Listening.]
*.
Sometime in the 'future' these Average Metro Area
AM/FM Radio Listeners with have the Need -of- 'feel'
the Want and Need to Buy a New "HD" AM/FM Radio.
*.
Note - Maybe a heard an New "HD" AM/FM Radio in
a Rental Car -or- They bought a New Car and it came
with an "HD" AM/FM Radio -but- They Liked what they
Heard on the "HD" AM/FM Radio. So Now the Want
to have "Their Own" *"HD" AM/FM Radio in their Home
to show "Their Family and Friends" I GOT AN "HD"
AM/FM Radio.
*.
FWIW : This Is The Natural Consumer Process of :
feel it Want It NEED IT !
*.
So- These Average Metro Area AM/FM Radio Listeners
Will Buy a "HD" AM/FM Radio.
*.
IBOC - Passes the Second Test of "Dual Mode" Analog and
Digital AM/FM Radio Reception : People Transitioning to
the Digital Mode. { The Process Has Begun Slowly and
over the Next Decade : It Will Continue To It's Conclusion
With AM/FM "Digital" HD-Radio 'Being' the Primary Mode
of AM/FM Radio Reception by the Vast Majority of Radio
Listeners. }
*.
IBOC AM/FM HD-Radio Will Happen For Two Reasons :
* Most Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} Will Hear No
Change in What They Hear With HD-Radio {It Ain't Bad}
* Some Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} Will Hear a
Change "Think It Sounds Better" with HD-Radio {It's Good}
*.
change happens, Change Happens. CHANGE HAPPENS !
*.
IBOC by iBiquity and HD-Radio :
Keep Searching : The Truth Is Out There !
*.
IBOC : The Killer-App for FM "HD" Radio's HD-2 Channelshttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/08e05095a43bec7bhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/5e276d6331cf001b
*.
The Second 'best' use of the HD-2 Channels on the new
"Digital" FM HD-Radio Band would be... another currenthttp://groups.google..com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/726c1a11c04b603bhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7b7b5fb395ebac94http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulcast
Audio Sound Product with an Loyal Radio Listener Base
and Established Advertisers :
1 - Simulcasting AM Radio Sound on the FM HD-2 Channels
2 - Transitioning AM Radio Stations to an Expanded FM HD-Radio Band.
*.
Is HD-Radio "The Answer" to AM/FM Radio's Youth Erosion Problem ?
- "NO" The Answer is Inter-Active Web-based Content Driven
Radio Programming.http://groups.google.com/group/alt.r...sg/a51f1d45ea5...
*.
IBOC & HD-Radio = Follow-the-Money = Bu$ine$$ & Politi¢$
*.
the truth is out-there - riding on a radio-wave ~ RHF
*.
- - - the digital divide : i draw the line @ iboc 'hd' radio - - -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-band_on-channel
*.
Find-Out-for-Yourself - Google Search Results :
HD-Radio -http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
*.
Read-the-News-for-Yourself Google News Results :
HD-Radio -http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
*.
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*.
Fair Use Notice : This Entire Message in Part or Entirety
may be Copied and Reposted on/in All Media : Provided
the Source the "Rec.Radio.Shortwave" Newsgroup and
the Author RHF {Radio High Frequency} are both identified.
*.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - -
*.
On May 1, 7:55 am, IBOCcrock wrote: "Whatever is said, whatever is written, IBOC will be over sooner
rather than later. *Radio is becoming a financial train wreck, and
Congress is putting the thumbscrews on the corrupt FCC. *A federal
court just ruled that the FCC ignored interference problems with
broadband-over-power-lines (BPL) and IBOC is also being pointed to by
the House Commerce Committee. *Very shortly the massive failure of HD
Radio in the marketplace, its endless technical faults, the
confiscatory licensing, and the lousy receivers will all be revealed
for all to see. IBOC is already a bad consumer-electronics joke. *And
its fortunes are about to take a decided turn for the worse. *Say and
believe what you will, IBOC's fate is no longer in the dirty hands of
iBiquity, the Alliance and the NAB."

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index....767627.html#ms...

*.

You talk as though IBOC is the only game in town. It is not.

It remains to be seen whether IBOC can overcome its own, endemic
problems.
However, even If it does, then it faces a far tougher challenge:
having to
compete, head on, against satellite radio, Wimax, etc.--media that
offer
vastly more, and better, content. Of course, there is the tired old
refrain
that, since IBOC will still be "free" radio (actually, that remains to
be seen),
it will still have some role to play. However, before long Wimax will
strike
most listeners as "as good as free" insofar as it will only require
equipment
and internet access that people will already have, for independent
reasons.
The choice for consumers then boils down to "Do I want very limited,
and
for the most part crappy, programming or do I want an ocean of
programming
options, many of which are superb and even tailored to my specific
tastes?"

The power of the free market should not be underestimated. Line up all
the
powerful corporate/government interests you like and put them
squarely
behind IBOC. Their money and influence won't make a whit of difference
if
IBOC is unable to compete effectively in the marketplace. With IBOC's
crappy, constrained programming as an unavoidable weight around its
neck,
it's hard to see how it can do anything but sink. Putting IBOC into
the free
market is like sending a two year old into Falluja.

The moral of the story is just this. At the end of the day, it all
boils down to
content, content, CONTENT. And this is where IBOC will always come up
short. Always.

On May 2, 4:15*am, "
wrote:
On May 1, 12:09*pm, RHF wrote:





IBOCcrock -of- HD Radio Farce Blog-Spothttp://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/
*.
DOH ! Quoting a Blog/Newsgroup : AIN'T NEWS -or- FACTUAL [.]
*.
Hoping, Wanting and Dreaming That IBOC Will Go Away :
Ain't Going To Make It Happen . ~ RHF
*.
IBOC : HD-Radio May Suck -but- It Is The Suckers
That Will Make It a Success ! -by- RHFhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec..radio.shortwave/msg/0ce2564e2517a12c
*.
HD-Radio : May Suck -but- The Suckers Will Make It a Success !
*.
Just be Honest and Think About It for a Minute.
[ Thinking With-In The {Radio} Box ]
*.
To the Average {non-technical} AM/FM Radio Listener :
*.
Who Lives in a Major Metro Area; and
*.
Listens only to a Few (3~4) or Several (6~8) of
*.
Their Local AM/FM "Analog" Radio Stations;
*.
For Now IBOC AM/FM "HD" Radio has Changed Nothing.
*.
Cause - They can still hear their good old "Analog"
Local AM/FM Radio Stations inspite of IBOC.
*.
IBOC - Passes the First Test of "Dual Mode" Analog and
Digital AM/FM Radio Reception : People being able to
Still Hear the Analog Mode. [No Diruption in Their Present
Analog Radio Listening.]
*.
Sometime in the 'future' these Average Metro Area
AM/FM Radio Listeners with have the Need -of- 'feel'
the Want and Need to Buy a New "HD" AM/FM Radio.
*.
Note - Maybe a heard an New "HD" AM/FM Radio in
a Rental Car -or- They bought a New Car and it came
with an "HD" AM/FM Radio -but- They Liked what they
Heard on the "HD" AM/FM Radio. So Now the Want
to have "Their Own" *"HD" AM/FM Radio in their Home
to show "Their Family and Friends" I GOT AN "HD"
AM/FM Radio.
*.
FWIW : This Is The Natural Consumer Process of :
feel it Want It NEED IT !
*.
So- These Average Metro Area AM/FM Radio Listeners
Will Buy a "HD" AM/FM Radio.
*.
IBOC - Passes the Second Test of "Dual Mode" Analog and
Digital AM/FM Radio Reception : People Transitioning to
the Digital Mode. { The Process Has Begun Slowly and
over the Next Decade : It Will Continue To It's Conclusion
With AM/FM "Digital" HD-Radio 'Being' the Primary Mode
of AM/FM Radio Reception by the Vast Majority of Radio
Listeners. }
*.
IBOC AM/FM HD-Radio Will Happen For Two Reasons :
* Most Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} Will Hear No
Change in What They Hear With HD-Radio {It Ain't Bad}
* Some Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} Will Hear a
Change "Think It Sounds Better" with HD-Radio {It's Good}
*.
change happens, Change Happens. CHANGE HAPPENS !
*.
IBOC by iBiquity and HD-Radio :
Keep Searching : The Truth Is Out There !
*.
IBOC : The Killer-App for FM "HD" Radio's HD-2 Channelshttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/08e05095a43bec...
*.
The Second 'best' use of the HD-2 Channels on the new
"Digital" FM HD-Radio Band would be... another currenthttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/726c1a11c04b60...
Audio Sound Product with an Loyal Radio Listener Base
and Established Advertisers :
1 - Simulcasting AM Radio Sound on the FM HD-2 Channels
2 - Transitioning AM Radio Stations to an Expanded FM HD-Radio Band.
*.
Is HD-Radio "The Answer" to AM/FM Radio's Youth Erosion Problem ?
- "NO" The Answer is Inter-Active Web-based Content Driven
Radio Programming.http://groups.google.com/group/alt.r...sg/a51f1d45ea5...
*.
IBOC & HD-Radio = Follow-the-Money = Bu$ine$$ & Politi¢$
*.
the truth is out-there - riding on a radio-wave ~ RHF
*.
- - - the digital divide : i draw the line @ iboc 'hd' radio - - -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-band_on-channel
*.
Find-Out-for-Yourself - Google Search Results :
HD-Radio -http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
*.
Read-the-News-for-Yourself Google News Results :
HD-Radio -http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
*.
CopyRight © RHF {Radio High Frequency} All Rights Reserved.
*.
Fair Use Notice : This Entire Message in Part or Entirety
may be Copied and Reposted on/in All Media : Provided
the Source the "Rec.Radio.Shortwave" Newsgroup and
the Author RHF {Radio High Frequency} are both identified.
*.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - -
*.
On May 1, 7:55 am, IBOCcrock wrote: "Whatever is said, whatever is written, IBOC will be over sooner
rather than later. *Radio is becoming a financial train wreck, and
Congress is putting the thumbscrews on the corrupt FCC. *A federal
court just ruled that the FCC ignored interference problems with
broadband-over-power-lines (BPL) and IBOC is also being pointed to by
the House Commerce Committee. *Very shortly the massive failure of HD
Radio in the marketplace, its endless technical faults, the
confiscatory licensing, and the lousy receivers will all be revealed
for all to see. IBOC is already a bad consumer-electronics joke. *And
its fortunes are about to take a decided turn for the worse. *Say and
believe what you will, IBOC's fate is no longer in the dirty hands of
iBiquity, the Alliance and the NAB."

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index....767627.html#ms....

*.

You talk as though IBOC is the only game in town. It is not.

It remains to be seen whether IBOC can overcome its own, endemic
problems.
However, even If it does, then it faces a far tougher challenge:
having to
compete, head on, against satellite radio, Wimax, etc.--media that
offer
vastly more, and better, content. Of course, there is the tired old
refrain
that, since IBOC will still be "free" radio (actually, that remains to
be seen),
it will still have some role to play. However, before long Wimax will
strike
most listeners as "as good as free" insofar as it will only require
equipment
and internet access that people will already have, for independent
reasons.
The choice for consumers then boils down to "Do I want very limited,
and
for the most part crappy, programming or do I want an ocean of
programming
options, many of which are superb and even tailored to my specific
tastes?"

The power of the free market should not be underestimated. Line up all
the
powerful corporate/government interests you like and put them
squarely
behind IBOC. Their money and influence won't make a whit of difference
if
IBOC is unable to compete effectively in the marketplace. With IBOC's
crappy, constrained programming as an unavoidable weight around its
neck,
it's hard to see how it can do anything but sink. Putting IBOC into
the free
market is like sending a two year old into Falluja.

- The moral of the story is just this.
- At the end of the day, it all boils down to content, content,
CONTENT.
- And this is where IBOC will always come up short. Always.

JW 32,

All your Points are Valid -but- Those 'issues' are not based
on IBOC {Digital} AM & FM Radio Technology or for that
matter old Analog AM & FM Radio Technology.

Those "Issues" have their foundation in the Corporate Media
Management of the Content being Programmed on the AM
& FM Radio Stations for the American Public to Listen to
on Free Over-the-Air Radio.

Technology only 'Sells' Radio {The Medium} as an Adjunct
to the "Content" : FM-Stereo Gained in Market Share;
because the Sound of Stereo Music 'complemented' the
Sound of the Music {Content} Being Played and the increase
in the Number of FM-Stereo Music Stations playing an even
greater variety of Music Programming the Specific Radio
Listeners Wanted-To-Hear.

AM 840 (kHz) KMPH in Modesto, CA just changed it form
"Music with Class" to Talk Radio "The PATRIOT" with a
target audience of 50+ -WHY- Because in a Market with
20 or more AM Radio Stations to Listen To : The Over-50
Group is 25% of the Population; and the Over-65 Group is
12% of the Population; and both Groups make up even
more larger Percentages of the Radio Listening Public.
Plus AM 840 KMPH "The PATRIOT" has enough Local
Talent and Programming on the Air {Local Content} to
make it 'sound' like a Local Radio Station.
http://www.kmph840.com/
http://www.modestoradiomuseum.org/km...0page%201.html
http://www.sfradiomuseum.com/blog/20...sto-am-to.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/us.html

One-in-20 is 5% and when a Radio Station has a 'chance'
to Define itsels as "The Radio Station for the Over-50-Crowd
it is looking at a better than even Market Share with a
'potential' 2~3 Multiple. Most/Many of the 'other' Radio
Stations are going after the Prime Sellable Demographic
of 18~35 Years for Advertisers and Revenue. But if you
Listen to KMPH you will hear Advertisers with Products
that are Used and Needed by those Over-the-Age-of-50
and that to is a good consistant source of Advertising
Revenue for a Radio Station.

The same goes for the FM Radio Band and FM Radio
Stations : Wherever there is 20 or more FM Radio Stations
in a Metro {Serving a Community} there is room for one
of those Radio Stations to be "The Music Radio Station"
for the Over-the-Age-of-50 Group. Plus there are a large
number of Advertisers with Products and Services that
are Used and Needed by those Over-the-Age-of-50 and
that are a good consistant source of Advertising Revenue
for an FM Music Radio Station.

Forget IBOC : AM & FM Radio Featuring the Right Content
for the Right Audience : It $ell$ ~ RHF

RHF wrote:
On May 2, 4:15 am, "
wrote:
On May 1, 12:09 pm, RHF wrote:





IBOCcrock -of- HD Radio Farce Blog-Spothttp://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/
.
DOH ! Quoting a Blog/Newsgroup : AIN'T NEWS -or- FACTUAL [.]
.
Hoping, Wanting and Dreaming That IBOC Will Go Away :
Ain't Going To Make It Happen . ~ RHF
.
IBOC : HD-Radio May Suck -but- It Is The Suckers
That Will Make It a Success ! -by- RHFhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0ce2564e2517a12c
.
HD-Radio : May Suck -but- The Suckers Will Make It a Success !
.
Just be Honest and Think About It for a Minute.
[ Thinking With-In The {Radio} Box ]
.
To the Average {non-technical} AM/FM Radio Listener :
.
Who Lives in a Major Metro Area; and
.
Listens only to a Few (3~4) or Several (6~8) of
.
Their Local AM/FM "Analog" Radio Stations;
.
For Now IBOC AM/FM "HD" Radio has Changed Nothing.
.
Cause - They can still hear their good old "Analog"
Local AM/FM Radio Stations inspite of IBOC.
.
IBOC - Passes the First Test of "Dual Mode" Analog and
Digital AM/FM Radio Reception : People being able to
Still Hear the Analog Mode. [No Diruption in Their Present
Analog Radio Listening.]
.
Sometime in the 'future' these Average Metro Area
AM/FM Radio Listeners with have the Need -of- 'feel'
the Want and Need to Buy a New "HD" AM/FM Radio.
.
Note - Maybe a heard an New "HD" AM/FM Radio in
a Rental Car -or- They bought a New Car and it came
with an "HD" AM/FM Radio -but- They Liked what they
Heard on the "HD" AM/FM Radio. So Now the Want
to have "Their Own" "HD" AM/FM Radio in their Home
to show "Their Family and Friends" I GOT AN "HD"
AM/FM Radio.
.
FWIW : This Is The Natural Consumer Process of :
feel it Want It NEED IT !
.
So- These Average Metro Area AM/FM Radio Listeners
Will Buy a "HD" AM/FM Radio.
.
IBOC - Passes the Second Test of "Dual Mode" Analog and
Digital AM/FM Radio Reception : People Transitioning to
the Digital Mode. { The Process Has Begun Slowly and
over the Next Decade : It Will Continue To It's Conclusion
With AM/FM "Digital" HD-Radio 'Being' the Primary Mode
of AM/FM Radio Reception by the Vast Majority of Radio
Listeners. }
.
IBOC AM/FM HD-Radio Will Happen For Two Reasons :
* Most Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} Will Hear No
Change in What They Hear With HD-Radio {It Ain't Bad}
* Some Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} Will Hear a
Change "Think It Sounds Better" with HD-Radio {It's Good}
.
change happens, Change Happens. CHANGE HAPPENS !
.
IBOC by iBiquity and HD-Radio :
Keep Searching : The Truth Is Out There !
.
IBOC : The Killer-App for FM "HD" Radio's HD-2 Channelshttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/08e05095a43bec...
.
The Second 'best' use of the HD-2 Channels on the new
"Digital" FM HD-Radio Band would be... another currenthttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/726c1a11c04b60...
Audio Sound Product with an Loyal Radio Listener Base
and Established Advertisers :
1 - Simulcasting AM Radio Sound on the FM HD-2 Channels
2 - Transitioning AM Radio Stations to an Expanded FM HD-Radio Band.
.
Is HD-Radio "The Answer" to AM/FM Radio's Youth Erosion Problem ?
- "NO" The Answer is Inter-Active Web-based Content Driven
Radio Programming.http://groups.google.com/group/alt.r...sg/a51f1d45ea5...
.
IBOC & HD-Radio = Follow-the-Money = Bu$ine$$ & Politi¢$
.
the truth is out-there - riding on a radio-wave ~ RHF
.
- - - the digital divide : i draw the line @ iboc 'hd' radio - - -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-band_on-channel
.
Find-Out-for-Yourself - Google Search Results :
HD-Radio -http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
.
Read-the-News-for-Yourself Google News Results :
HD-Radio -http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
.
CopyRight © RHF {Radio High Frequency} All Rights Reserved.
.
Fair Use Notice : This Entire Message in Part or Entirety
may be Copied and Reposted on/in All Media : Provided
the Source the "Rec.Radio.Shortwave" Newsgroup and
the Author RHF {Radio High Frequency} are both identified.
.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - -
.
On May 1, 7:55 am, IBOCcrock wrote: "Whatever is said, whatever is written, IBOC will be over sooner
rather than later. Radio is becoming a financial train wreck, and
Congress is putting the thumbscrews on the corrupt FCC. A federal
court just ruled that the FCC ignored interference problems with
broadband-over-power-lines (BPL) and IBOC is also being pointed to by
the House Commerce Committee. Very shortly the massive failure of HD
Radio in the marketplace, its endless technical faults, the
confiscatory licensing, and the lousy receivers will all be revealed
for all to see. IBOC is already a bad consumer-electronics joke. And
its fortunes are about to take a decided turn for the worse. Say and
believe what you will, IBOC's fate is no longer in the dirty hands of
iBiquity, the Alliance and the NAB."
http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index....767627.html#ms...
.
You talk as though IBOC is the only game in town. It is not.

It remains to be seen whether IBOC can overcome its own, endemic
problems.
However, even If it does, then it faces a far tougher challenge:
having to
compete, head on, against satellite radio, Wimax, etc.--media that
offer
vastly more, and better, content. Of course, there is the tired old
refrain
that, since IBOC will still be "free" radio (actually, that remains to
be seen),
it will still have some role to play. However, before long Wimax will
strike
most listeners as "as good as free" insofar as it will only require
equipment
and internet access that people will already have, for independent
reasons.
The choice for consumers then boils down to "Do I want very limited,
and
for the most part crappy, programming or do I want an ocean of
programming
options, many of which are superb and even tailored to my specific
tastes?"

The power of the free market should not be underestimated. Line up all
the
powerful corporate/government interests you like and put them
squarely
behind IBOC. Their money and influence won't make a whit of difference
if
IBOC is unable to compete effectively in the marketplace. With IBOC's
crappy, constrained programming as an unavoidable weight around its
neck,
it's hard to see how it can do anything but sink. Putting IBOC into
the free
market is like sending a two year old into Falluja.

- The moral of the story is just this.
- At the end of the day, it all boils down to content, content,
CONTENT.
- And this is where IBOC will always come up short. Always.

JW 32,

All your Points are Valid -but- Those 'issues' are not based
on IBOC {Digital} AM & FM Radio Technology or for that
matter old Analog AM & FM Radio Technology.

Those "Issues" have their foundation in the Corporate Media
Management of the Content being Programmed on the AM
& FM Radio Stations for the American Public to Listen to
on Free Over-the-Air Radio.

Technology only 'Sells' Radio {The Medium} as an Adjunct
to the "Content" : FM-Stereo Gained in Market Share;
because the Sound of Stereo Music 'complemented' the
Sound of the Music {Content} Being Played and the increase
in the Number of FM-Stereo Music Stations playing an even
greater variety of Music Programming the Specific Radio
Listeners Wanted-To-Hear.

AM 840 (kHz) KMPH in Modesto, CA just changed it form
"Music with Class" to Talk Radio "The PATRIOT" with a
target audience of 50+ -WHY- Because in a Market with
20 or more AM Radio Stations to Listen To : The Over-50
Group is 25% of the Population; and the Over-65 Group is
12% of the Population; and both Groups make up even
more larger Percentages of the Radio Listening Public.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
.
People over 50 generally do not succumb to advertising like the younger
dumbasses do. That is why they are ignored.

On May 2, 7:46*am, dave wrote:
RHF wrote:
On May 2, 4:15 am, "
wrote:
On May 1, 12:09 pm, RHF wrote:

IBOCcrock -of- HD Radio Farce Blog-Spothttp://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/
*.
DOH ! Quoting a Blog/Newsgroup : AIN'T NEWS -or- FACTUAL [.]
*.
Hoping, Wanting and Dreaming That IBOC Will Go Away :
Ain't Going To Make It Happen . ~ RHF
*.
IBOC : HD-Radio May Suck -but- It Is The Suckers
That Will Make It a Success ! -by- RHFhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0ce2564e2517a12c
*.
HD-Radio : May Suck -but- The Suckers Will Make It a Success !
*.
Just be Honest and Think About It for a Minute.
[ Thinking With-In The {Radio} Box ]
*.
To the Average {non-technical} AM/FM Radio Listener :
*.
Who Lives in a Major Metro Area; and
*.
Listens only to a Few (3~4) or Several (6~8) of
*.
Their Local AM/FM "Analog" Radio Stations;
*.
For Now IBOC AM/FM "HD" Radio has Changed Nothing.
*.
Cause - They can still hear their good old "Analog"
Local AM/FM Radio Stations inspite of IBOC.
*.
IBOC - Passes the First Test of "Dual Mode" Analog and
Digital AM/FM Radio Reception : People being able to
Still Hear the Analog Mode. [No Diruption in Their Present
Analog Radio Listening.]
*.
Sometime in the 'future' these Average Metro Area
AM/FM Radio Listeners with have the Need -of- 'feel'
the Want and Need to Buy a New "HD" AM/FM Radio.
*.
Note - Maybe a heard an New "HD" AM/FM Radio in
a Rental Car -or- They bought a New Car and it came
with an "HD" AM/FM Radio -but- They Liked what they
Heard on the "HD" AM/FM Radio. So Now the Want
to have "Their Own" *"HD" AM/FM Radio in their Home
to show "Their Family and Friends" I GOT AN "HD"
AM/FM Radio.
*.
FWIW : This Is The Natural Consumer Process of :
feel it Want It NEED IT !
*.
So- These Average Metro Area AM/FM Radio Listeners
Will Buy a "HD" AM/FM Radio.
*.
IBOC - Passes the Second Test of "Dual Mode" Analog and
Digital AM/FM Radio Reception : People Transitioning to
the Digital Mode. { The Process Has Begun Slowly and
over the Next Decade : It Will Continue To It's Conclusion
With AM/FM "Digital" HD-Radio 'Being' the Primary Mode
of AM/FM Radio Reception by the Vast Majority of Radio
Listeners. }
*.
IBOC AM/FM HD-Radio Will Happen For Two Reasons :
* Most Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} Will Hear No
Change in What They Hear With HD-Radio {It Ain't Bad}
* Some Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} Will Hear a
Change "Think It Sounds Better" with HD-Radio {It's Good}
*.
change happens, Change Happens. CHANGE HAPPENS !
*.
IBOC by iBiquity and HD-Radio :
Keep Searching : The Truth Is Out There !
*.
IBOC : The Killer-App for FM "HD" Radio's HD-2 Channelshttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/08e05095a43bec...
*.
The Second 'best' use of the HD-2 Channels on the new
"Digital" FM HD-Radio Band would be... another currenthttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/726c1a11c04b60...
Audio Sound Product with an Loyal Radio Listener Base
and Established Advertisers :
1 - Simulcasting AM Radio Sound on the FM HD-2 Channels
2 - Transitioning AM Radio Stations to an Expanded FM HD-Radio Band.
*.
Is HD-Radio "The Answer" to AM/FM Radio's Youth Erosion Problem ?
- "NO" The Answer is Inter-Active Web-based Content Driven
Radio Programming.http://groups.google.com/group/alt.r...sg/a51f1d45ea5...
*.
IBOC & HD-Radio = Follow-the-Money = Bu$ine$$ & Politi¢$
*.
the truth is out-there - riding on a radio-wave ~ RHF
*.
- - - the digital divide : i draw the line @ iboc 'hd' radio - - -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-band_on-channel
*.
Find-Out-for-Yourself - Google Search Results :
HD-Radio -http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
*.
Read-the-News-for-Yourself Google News Results :
HD-Radio -http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
*.
CopyRight © RHF {Radio High Frequency} All Rights Reserved.
*.
Fair Use Notice : This Entire Message in Part or Entirety
may be Copied and Reposted on/in All Media : Provided
the Source the "Rec.Radio.Shortwave" Newsgroup and
the Author RHF {Radio High Frequency} are both identified.
*.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - -
*.
On May 1, 7:55 am, IBOCcrock wrote: "Whatever is said, whatever is written, IBOC will be over sooner
rather than later. *Radio is becoming a financial train wreck, and
Congress is putting the thumbscrews on the corrupt FCC. *A federal
court just ruled that the FCC ignored interference problems with
broadband-over-power-lines (BPL) and IBOC is also being pointed to by
the House Commerce Committee. *Very shortly the massive failure of HD
Radio in the marketplace, its endless technical faults, the
confiscatory licensing, and the lousy receivers will all be revealed
for all to see. IBOC is already a bad consumer-electronics joke. *And
its fortunes are about to take a decided turn for the worse. *Say and
believe what you will, IBOC's fate is no longer in the dirty hands of
iBiquity, the Alliance and the NAB."
http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index....767627.html#ms....
*.
You talk as though IBOC is the only game in town. It is not.

It remains to be seen whether IBOC can overcome its own, endemic
problems.
However, even If it does, then it faces a far tougher challenge:
having to
compete, head on, against satellite radio, Wimax, etc.--media that
offer
vastly more, and better, content. Of course, there is the tired old
refrain
that, since IBOC will still be "free" radio (actually, that remains to
be seen),
it will still have some role to play. However, before long Wimax will
strike
most listeners as "as good as free" insofar as it will only require
equipment
and internet access that people will already have, for independent
reasons.
The choice for consumers then boils down to "Do I want very limited,
and
for the most part crappy, programming or do I want an ocean of
programming
options, many of which are superb and even tailored to my specific
tastes?"

The power of the free market should not be underestimated. Line up all
the
powerful corporate/government interests you like and put them
squarely
behind IBOC. Their money and influence won't make a whit of difference
if
IBOC is unable to compete effectively in the marketplace. With IBOC's
crappy, constrained programming as an unavoidable weight around its
neck,
it's hard to see how it can do anything but sink. Putting IBOC into
the free
market is like sending a two year old into Falluja.

- The moral of the story is just this.
- At the end of the day, it all boils down to content, content,
CONTENT.
- And this is where IBOC will always come up short. Always.

JW 32,

All your Points are Valid -but- Those 'issues' are not based
on IBOC {Digital} AM & FM Radio Technology or for that
matter old Analog AM & FM Radio Technology.

Those "Issues" have their foundation in the Corporate Media
Management of the Content being Programmed on the AM
& FM Radio Stations for the American Public to Listen to
on Free Over-the-Air Radio.

Technology only 'Sells' Radio {The Medium} as an Adjunct
to the "Content" : FM-Stereo Gained in Market Share;
because the Sound of Stereo Music 'complemented' the
Sound of the Music {Content} Being Played and the increase
in the Number of FM-Stereo Music Stations playing an even
greater variety of Music Programming the Specific Radio
Listeners Wanted-To-Hear.

AM 840 (kHz) KMPH in Modesto, CA just changed it form
"Music with Class" to Talk Radio "The PATRIOT" with a
target audience of 50+ -WHY- Because in a Market with
20 or more AM Radio Stations to Listen To : The Over-50
Group is 25% of the Population; and the Over-65 Group is
12% of the Population; and both Groups make up even
more larger Percentages of the Radio Listening Public.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
*.

People over 50 generally do not succumb to advertising like the younger
dumbasses do. *That is why they are ignored.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

David,

The Listen and Need The Products They Want and Need :

! Depends !

! AARP !

! Long Term Care Insurance !

! Senior Safe Driver Discount !

! Viagra !

the list goes on and on and on . . . ~ RHF

In article
,
RHF wrote:

On May 2, 4:15*am, "
wrote:
On May 1, 12:09*pm, RHF wrote:





IBOCcrock -of- HD Radio Farce
Blog-Spothttp://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/ *. DOH ! Quoting a
Blog/Newsgroup : AIN'T NEWS -or- FACTUAL [.] *. Hoping, Wanting
and Dreaming That IBOC Will Go Away : Ain't Going To Make It
Happen . ~ RHF *. IBOC : HD-Radio May Suck -but- It Is The
Suckers That Will Make It a Success ! -by-
RHFhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0ce2564e
2517a12c *. HD-Radio : May Suck -but- The Suckers Will Make It a
Success ! *. Just be Honest and Think About It for a Minute. [
Thinking With-In The {Radio} Box ] *. To the Average
{non-technical} AM/FM Radio Listener : *. Who Lives in a Major
Metro Area; and *. Listens only to a Few (3~4) or Several (6~8)
of *. Their Local AM/FM "Analog" Radio Stations; *. For Now IBOC
AM/FM "HD" Radio has Changed Nothing. *. Cause - They can still
hear their good old "Analog" Local AM/FM Radio Stations inspite
of IBOC. *. IBOC - Passes the First Test of "Dual Mode" Analog
and Digital AM/FM Radio Reception : People being able to Still
Hear the Analog Mode. [No Diruption in Their Present Analog Radio
Listening.] *. Sometime in the 'future' these Average Metro Area
AM/FM Radio Listeners with have the Need -of- 'feel' the Want and
Need to Buy a New "HD" AM/FM Radio. *. Note - Maybe a heard an
New "HD" AM/FM Radio in a Rental Car -or- They bought a New Car
and it came with an "HD" AM/FM Radio -but- They Liked what they
Heard on the "HD" AM/FM Radio. So Now the Want to have "Their
Own" *"HD" AM/FM Radio in their Home to show "Their Family and
Friends" I GOT AN "HD" AM/FM Radio. *. FWIW : This Is The Natural
Consumer Process of : feel it Want It NEED IT ! *. So- These
Average Metro Area AM/FM Radio Listeners Will Buy a "HD" AM/FM
Radio. *. IBOC - Passes the Second Test of "Dual Mode" Analog and
Digital AM/FM Radio Reception : People Transitioning to the
Digital Mode. { The Process Has Begun Slowly and over the Next
Decade : It Will Continue To It's Conclusion With AM/FM "Digital"
HD-Radio 'Being' the Primary Mode of AM/FM Radio Reception by the
Vast Majority of Radio Listeners. } *. IBOC AM/FM HD-Radio Will
Happen For Two Reasons : * Most Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers}
Will Hear No Change in What They Hear With HD-Radio {It Ain't
Bad} * Some Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} Will Hear a Change
"Think It Sounds Better" with HD-Radio {It's Good} *. change
happens, Change Happens. CHANGE HAPPENS ! *. IBOC by iBiquity and
HD-Radio : Keep Searching : The Truth Is Out There ! *. IBOC :
The Killer-App for FM "HD" Radio's HD-2
Channelshttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/08e
05095a43 bec... *. The Second 'best' use of the HD-2 Channels on
the new "Digital" FM HD-Radio Band would be... another
currenthttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/726c
1a11c04b 60... Audio Sound Product with an Loyal Radio Listener
Base and Established Advertisers : 1 - Simulcasting AM Radio
Sound on the FM HD-2 Channels 2 - Transitioning AM Radio Stations
to an Expanded FM HD-Radio Band. *. Is HD-Radio "The Answer" to
AM/FM Radio's Youth Erosion Problem ? - "NO" The Answer is
Inter-Active Web-based Content Driven Radio
Programming.http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.broadcasting/
msg/a51f 1d45ea5... *. IBOC & HD-Radio = Follow-the-Money =
Bu$ine$$ & Politi¢$ *. the truth is out-there - riding on a
radio-wave ~ RHF *. - - - the digital divide : i draw the line @
iboc 'hd' radio - -
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-band_on-channel *.
Find-Out-for-Yourself - Google Search Results : HD-Radio
-http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HD-Radio *.
Read-the-News-for-Yourself Google News Results : HD-Radio
-http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=HD-Radio *. CopyRight © RHF
{Radio High Frequency} All Rights Reserved. *. Fair Use Notice :
This Entire Message in Part or Entirety may be Copied and
Reposted on/in All Media : Provided the Source the
"Rec.Radio.Shortwave" Newsgroup and the Author RHF {Radio High
Frequency} are both identified. *. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - *. On May 1,
7:55 am, IBOCcrock wrote: "Whatever is
said, whatever is written, IBOC will be over sooner
rather than later. *Radio is becoming a financial train wreck,
and Congress is putting the thumbscrews on the corrupt FCC. *A
federal court just ruled that the FCC ignored interference
problems with broadband-over-power-lines (BPL) and IBOC is also
being pointed to by the House Commerce Committee. *Very shortly
the massive failure of HD Radio in the marketplace, its endless
technical faults, the confiscatory licensing, and the lousy
receivers will all be revealed for all to see. IBOC is already
a bad consumer-electronics joke. *And its fortunes are about to
take a decided turn for the worse. *Say and believe what you
will, IBOC's fate is no longer in the dirty hands of iBiquity,
the Alliance and the NAB."

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.....msg767627.htm
l#ms...

*.

You talk as though IBOC is the only game in town. It is not.

It remains to be seen whether IBOC can overcome its own, endemic
problems. However, even If it does, then it faces a far tougher
challenge: having to compete, head on, against satellite radio,
Wimax, etc.--media that offer vastly more, and better, content. Of
course, there is the tired old refrain that, since IBOC will still
be "free" radio (actually, that remains to be seen), it will still
have some role to play. However, before long Wimax will strike most
listeners as "as good as free" insofar as it will only require
equipment and internet access that people will already have, for
independent reasons. The choice for consumers then boils down to
"Do I want very limited, and for the most part crappy, programming
or do I want an ocean of programming options, many of which are
superb and even tailored to my specific tastes?"

The power of the free market should not be underestimated. Line up
all the powerful corporate/government interests you like and put
them squarely behind IBOC. Their money and influence won't make a
whit of difference if IBOC is unable to compete effectively in the
marketplace. With IBOC's crappy, constrained programming as an
unavoidable weight around its neck, it's hard to see how it can do
anything but sink. Putting IBOC into the free market is like
sending a two year old into Falluja.

- The moral of the story is just this. - At the end of the day, it
all boils down to content, content, CONTENT. - And this is where IBOC
will always come up short. Always.

JW 32,

All your Points are Valid -but-

SNIP

All your points are bull crap.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article
,
RHF wrote:

SNIP


People over 50 generally do not succumb to advertising like the younger
dumbasses do. *That is why they are ignored.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

David,

The Listen and Need The Products They Want and Need :

! Depends !

! AARP !

! Long Term Care Insurance !

! Senior Safe Driver Discount !

! Viagra !

the list goes on and on and on . . . ~ RHF

You need all that stuff? Wow, you are more messed up than I thought.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On May 2, 11:39*am, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,





*RHF wrote:
On May 2, 4:15*am, "
wrote:
On May 1, 12:09*pm, RHF wrote:

IBOCcrock -of- HD Radio Farce
Blog-Spothttp://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/*. DOH ! Quoting a
Blog/Newsgroup : AIN'T NEWS -or- FACTUAL [.] *. Hoping, Wanting
and Dreaming That IBOC Will Go Away : Ain't Going To Make It
Happen . ~ RHF *. IBOC : HD-Radio May Suck -but- It Is The
Suckers That Will Make It a Success ! -by-
RHFhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0ce2564e
2517a12c *. HD-Radio : May Suck -but- The Suckers Will Make It a
Success ! *. Just be Honest and Think About It for a Minute. [
Thinking With-In The {Radio} Box ] *. To the Average
{non-technical} AM/FM Radio Listener : *. Who Lives in a Major
Metro Area; and *. Listens only to a Few (3~4) or Several (6~8)
of *. Their Local AM/FM "Analog" Radio Stations; *. For Now IBOC
AM/FM "HD" Radio has Changed Nothing. *. Cause - They can still
hear their good old "Analog" Local AM/FM Radio Stations inspite
of IBOC. *. IBOC - Passes the First Test of "Dual Mode" Analog
and Digital AM/FM Radio Reception : People being able to Still
Hear the Analog Mode. [No Diruption in Their Present Analog Radio
Listening.] *. Sometime in the 'future' these Average Metro Area
AM/FM Radio Listeners with have the Need -of- 'feel' the Want and
Need to Buy a New "HD" AM/FM Radio. *. Note - Maybe a heard an
New "HD" AM/FM Radio in a Rental Car -or- They bought a New Car
and it came with an "HD" AM/FM Radio -but- They Liked what they
Heard on the "HD" AM/FM Radio. So Now the Want to have "Their
Own" *"HD" AM/FM Radio in their Home to show "Their Family and
Friends" I GOT AN "HD" AM/FM Radio. *. FWIW : This Is The Natural
Consumer Process of : feel it Want It NEED IT ! *. So- These
Average Metro Area AM/FM Radio Listeners Will Buy a "HD" AM/FM
Radio. *. IBOC - Passes the Second Test of "Dual Mode" Analog and
Digital AM/FM Radio Reception : People Transitioning to the
Digital Mode. { The Process Has Begun Slowly and over the Next
Decade : It Will Continue To It's Conclusion With AM/FM "Digital"
HD-Radio 'Being' the Primary Mode of AM/FM Radio Reception by the
Vast Majority of Radio Listeners. } *. IBOC AM/FM HD-Radio Will
Happen For Two Reasons : * Most Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers}
Will Hear No Change in What They Hear With HD-Radio {It Ain't
Bad} * Some Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} Will Hear a Change
"Think It Sounds Better" with HD-Radio {It's Good} *. change
happens, Change Happens. CHANGE HAPPENS ! *. IBOC by iBiquity and
HD-Radio : Keep Searching : The Truth Is Out There ! *. IBOC :
The Killer-App for FM "HD" Radio's HD-2
Channelshttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/08e
05095a43 bec... *. The Second 'best' use of the HD-2 Channels on
the new "Digital" FM HD-Radio Band would be... another
currenthttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/726c
1a11c04b 60... Audio Sound Product with an Loyal Radio Listener
Base and Established Advertisers : 1 - Simulcasting AM Radio
Sound on the FM HD-2 Channels 2 - Transitioning AM Radio Stations
to an Expanded FM HD-Radio Band. *. Is HD-Radio "The Answer" to
AM/FM Radio's Youth Erosion Problem ? - "NO" The Answer is
Inter-Active Web-based Content Driven Radio
Programming.http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.broadcasting/
msg/a51f 1d45ea5... *. IBOC & HD-Radio = Follow-the-Money =
Bu$ine$$ & Politi¢$ *. the truth is out-there - riding on a
radio-wave ~ RHF *. - - - the digital divide : i draw the line @
iboc 'hd' radio - -
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-band_on-channel*.
Find-Out-for-Yourself - Google Search Results : HD-Radio
-http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HD-Radio*.
Read-the-News-for-Yourself Google News Results : HD-Radio
-http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=HD-Radio*. CopyRight © RHF
{Radio High Frequency} All Rights Reserved. *. Fair Use Notice :
This Entire Message in Part or Entirety may be Copied and
Reposted on/in All Media : Provided the Source the
"Rec.Radio.Shortwave" Newsgroup and the Author RHF {Radio High
Frequency} are both identified. *. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - *. On May 1,
7:55 am, IBOCcrock wrote: "Whatever is
said, whatever is written, IBOC will be over sooner
rather than later. *Radio is becoming a financial train wreck,
and Congress is putting the thumbscrews on the corrupt FCC. *A
federal court just ruled that the FCC ignored interference
problems with broadband-over-power-lines (BPL) and IBOC is also
being pointed to by the House Commerce Committee. *Very shortly
the massive failure of HD Radio in the marketplace, its endless
technical faults, the confiscatory licensing, and the lousy
receivers will all be revealed for all to see. IBOC is already
a bad consumer-electronics joke. *And its fortunes are about to
take a decided turn for the worse. *Say and believe what you
will, IBOC's fate is no longer in the dirty hands of iBiquity,
the Alliance and the NAB."

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.....msg767627.htm
l#ms...

*.

You talk as though IBOC is the only game in town. It is not.

It remains to be seen whether IBOC can overcome its own, endemic
problems. However, even If it does, then it faces a far tougher
challenge: having to compete, head on, against satellite radio,
Wimax, etc.--media that offer vastly more, and better, content. Of
course, there is the tired old refrain that, since IBOC will still
be "free" radio (actually, that remains to be seen), it will still
have some role to play. However, before long Wimax will strike most
listeners as "as good as free" insofar as it will only require
equipment and internet access that people will already have, for
independent reasons. The choice for consumers then boils down to
"Do I want very limited, and for the most part crappy, programming
or do I want an ocean of programming options, many of which are
superb and even tailored to my specific tastes?"

The power of the free market should not be underestimated. Line up
all the powerful corporate/government interests you like and put
them squarely behind IBOC. Their money and influence won't make a
whit of difference if IBOC is unable to compete effectively in the
marketplace. With IBOC's crappy, constrained programming as an
unavoidable weight around its neck, it's hard to see how it can do
anything but sink. Putting IBOC into the free market is like
sending a two year old into Falluja.

- The moral of the story is just this. - At the end of the day, it
all boils down to content, content, CONTENT. - And this is where IBOC
will always come up short. Always.

JW 32,

All your Points are Valid -but-

SNIP
-
- All your points are bull crap.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California
-

PONG : Telamon - All Your Points Are Bull Crap.