"Telamon" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote:


"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
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In posted on Thu,
5 Jun 2008 14:24:32 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin

Most of SD county does not receive a listenable signal from KNX based
on
what signal level is required to get ratings.

I get them just fine,
maybe you're thinking of the Anza Borrego desert communities

No, I am thinking of the fact, verified by dozens of ratings periods in
many, many markets that shows that AMs get over 95% of their in home and
at
work listening (70% lof the total listening on average is in home or at
work
where ZIPs are tracable) is in areas where the signal is 10 mv/m or
greater.
Since only a tiny amount of shoreline has that intensity from KNX, there
is
pretty much nowhere that the signal is usable by the average,
non-hobbyist,
listener. Which is part of why they have essentially no in home or at
work
listening at all in SD County (the county is the metro for Arbitron).

SNIP

You are so full of crap. You don't know what you are talking about at
all.

Yeah, you are right and the measured behaviour of millions of persons over
the period of a decade or more is wrong.

San Diego is one of the markets where listening location vs. signal strength
has been analyzed, going back to 1998 and covering 39 survey periods and
nearly 100,000 listener diaries.

"Telamon" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote:


"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
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The only 'metric' of any significance to this newsgroup is the ability
to be received, and KNX well qualifies in San Diego.

Don't bother to try arguing with Eduardo. He lives in the same ivory
tower
as all sales types do, which has little or no connection to real life.

Actually, I am a programmer who was for many years a chief engineer as
well.

SNIP

You sure could not tell that from the crap you post.


There is a Spanish saying about one not being able to cover the sky with the
palm of one's hand. You can deny all you want... there are no facts other
than your opinion to support your state of denial

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David Eduardo wrote:

"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
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posted on Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:23:57 -0700 (PDT), RHF wrote: Begin

d'oh - you provide broadcaster answers
to radio listeners questions - d'oh again ~ RHF
-ps- you are not 'connecting' with the listener.

Maybe he thinks he's gonna browbeat me into buying some airtime

You couldn't afford it.

Maybe he could pretend, like you do, oh faux one.

Someone should do a tabulation of the number of posts you make that are
simply insults of other people, cultures, races, nationalities, etc. I'm
guessing 95% of your posts have no content, are not a discussion of fact,
and contain no information.

On Jun 5, 5:06*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Jun 5, 4:23 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
So your 'answer' is that 50% of All Adult Radio Listeners
Don't Count : Even When There Is A Public Safety Emergency.

Since they do not use AM radio (over 60% of Americans never use it) they
would not, in an emergency, think of AM as a place to get information. Most
would think of TV first, then, maybe if there was no power, grab a radio.

Dang d'Eduardo that sure sounds hostile to anyone
over the Age of 35 : Just because you can not make
a Profit off of Selling their Ears.

- Radio stations are a business, except for the limited
- number of NPR stations and the religious stations
- that are not commercial. If a station can not make
- money, it does not survive. Since, in the larger markets,
- they can not make any money serving 55+, radio can
- not cater to that segment.

Sure Sound Like An Extreme Case of Neglect and
Failure To Serve The Public Interest of the +20%
of the US Adult Pupolation over the Age of 55.

=IF= These were Hispanic Radio Listeners and they
simply made up 5% or more of any Local Community :
You would be Demanding Equal Rights to Serve Their
Needs as Non-English Radio Listeners. But You by
Your OWn Admmission Use Your Numbers to Actively
Discriminate Against The English Speaking Group of
Radio Listeners Over the Age of 55 which make up
more than 20% of the US Adult Population.

Sure Sound Like Their Is Some Sort of Civil Rights
Case in There for English Speaking Radio Listeners
Over the Age of 55 Against You and Your Licensed
Big Media Corpotations for Failing to Serve the Public
Interest of +20% of Your Communities.

d'eduardo - you are providing broadcaster answers
to radio listeners questions - that's a big d'oh ~ RHF
-ps- you are not 'connecting' with the readers here.

- No, I am explaining *to listeners how radio works
- and why things that seem odd or defy explanation
- are actually true and justifiable.
- *.

=REWRITE=
No, I am explaining to Radio listeners how The Business
Of radio works and why things that seem odd To A Radio
Listener or defy Reasonable explanation are actually true
To A Broadcaster and justifiable For Profit.

-translation- F*uck the Radio Listeners This Is A Business.
{ Where Broadcasters Own The Radio Lister's Ears. }
.

"RHF" wrote in message
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Sure Sound Like An Extreme Case of Neglect and
Failure To Serve The Public Interest of the +20%
of the US Adult Pupolation over the Age of 55.

There is virtually no money available from advertisers for audiences over
55. Plenty of formats that appeal primarily under 55, like country, Urban
AC, AC, classic rock, classic hits, etc., also appeal to many over 55's but
stations with that audience get little benefitt from the older listeners.

=IF= These were Hispanic Radio Listeners and they
simply made up 5% or more of any Local Community :
You would be Demanding Equal Rights to Serve Their
Needs as Non-English Radio Listeners.

There is no Hispanic agency money for anything over 49. This is about
advertisers making investments and expecting a return on them.


Sure Sound Like Their Is Some Sort of Civil Rights
Case in There for English Speaking Radio Listeners
Over the Age of 55 Against You and Your Licensed
Big Media Corpotations for Failing to Serve the Public
Interest of +20% of Your Communities.

There is no law that stores have to stock items that have little or no
demand. This is the same case. Radio can't serve teens for the same reason.

-translation- F*uck the Radio Listeners This Is A Business.
{ Where Broadcasters Own The Radio Lister's Ears. }
.

It's much simpler... if a radio station programming does not attract
listeners that advertisers want to reach, it either is sold to someone else
or it changes programming. The government in the US does not intervene and
has not for about 40 years, in licensee decisions about program formats.

On Jun 6, 4:11*am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
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In posted on Thu,
5
Jun 2008 05:17:21 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin

That explains why you have no clue as to local media usage and
ratings, and probably why you don't understand earthquakes.

First, I don't care about artificial 'ratings'

If you owned or worked at a radio station, they would be one of your
primary concerns.

and second I do understand and care about real phenomena.

If you think people tune in to the radio during an earthquake, I
doubt even that.

That is the most stupid thing you have posted yet.

Think about my statement again. People "tune in" _after_ and earthquake, not
during it. My point is that, unlike hurricanes or tornado situations or
floods, there is no advance warning for a quake, and not enough time during
a quake to tune in. Tune in occurs after the incident, not during it.

- In any case, most of the population does not use
- AM radio, mucho of it does not even know AM exists.

d'Eduardo it sounds like you are making a Clear Case
that AM/MW Radio as a Commercial Media is FAILING
to Promote Itself "TO" Radio Listeners "TO" Create
Awareness of AM.MW Radio as a 24/7 Source of News
and Information to Meet the Radio Listeners Needs.

[ What We Got Here Is A Failure To Communicate ]

{The Medium is the Message and the Message is the Medium}

-or- Are you really talking about the Illegal Spanish
Speaking Radio Listeners who would not be listening
to KNX and KFI in English anyway being Un-Aware
of Emergency News and Information in English on
Radio Stations Broadcasting in English -cause- It
Ain't In Spanish. D'Oh ! ~ RHF

- The first source of info is TV for most of the two
- youngest generations of Americans. Not AM radio.

After and Earth Quake and the Power Goes OUT
99% of the TV will Not Be Working
-while- An AM/FM Radio using Batteries will Be There
24/7 Ready To Go "In Case of Emergencies"
-again- A Case of AM/MW Radio Failing to Promote
Itself as the "Go To Media In Case of Emergencies".
-sounds like- There is a PSA in there somewhere.

~ RHF

"RHF" wrote in message
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On Jun 6, 4:11 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
d'Eduardo it sounds like you are making a Clear Case
that AM/MW Radio as a Commercial Media is FAILING
to Promote Itself "TO" Radio Listeners "TO" Create
Awareness of AM.MW Radio as a 24/7 Source of News
and Information to Meet the Radio Listeners Needs.

That's the job of news stations via advertising and promotion... each
station is on their own in this regard. All music stations provide a
diffferent type of service than information services do.

And that is different from the issue that, whether on AM or FM, news
stations or traditional news and talk stations have just about zero appeal
to anyone under 35 or 40. AM, as a band, is only used by 40% of the
population, almost all of that being over the age of 45.

You can't promote AM to people who will not use it under any circumstance.

-or- Are you really talking about the Illegal Spanish
Speaking Radio Listeners who would not be listening
to KNX and KFI in English anyway being Un-Aware
of Emergency News and Information in English on
Radio Stations Broadcasting in English -cause- It
Ain't In Spanish. D'Oh ! ~ RHF

Emergencides are notified by the EAS system, which every station must relay.
Language makes no difference.

And there is no way to quantify illegal aliens; even the Census Bureau can
not perform an exact ennumeration. They do not self-declare, so all data is
based on estimates, not counts. Since 80% of Hispanics ARE legal, this is
not a major issue.

- The first source of info is TV for most of the two
- youngest generations of Americans. Not AM radio.

After and Earth Quake and the Power Goes OUT
99% of the TV will Not Be Working
-while- An AM/FM Radio using Batteries will Be There
24/7 Ready To Go "In Case of Emergencies"
-again- A Case of AM/MW Radio Failing to Promote
Itself as the "Go To Media In Case of Emergencies".
-sounds like- There is a PSA in there somewhere.

~ RHF

On Jun 6, 4:17*am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

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David Eduardo wrote:

"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
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In

posted on Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:23:57 -0700 (PDT), RHF wrote: Begin

d'oh - you provide broadcaster answers
to radio listeners questions - d'oh again ~ RHF
-ps- you are not 'connecting' with the listener.

Maybe he thinks he's gonna browbeat me into buying some airtime

You couldn't afford it.

- - Maybe he could pretend, like you do, oh faux one.

- Someone should do a tabulation of the number of
- posts you make that are simply insults of other
- people, cultures, races, nationalities, etc.
- I'm guessing 95% of your posts have no content,
- are not a discussion of fact, and contain no information.

d'Eduardo - Some how you bring out . . .
the 'beast' in people ;-} - jftfoi ~ RHF

On Jun 6, 4:50*am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message

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Sure Sound Like An Extreme Case of Neglect and
Failure To Serve The Public Interest of the +20%
of the US Adult Pupolation over the Age of 55.

There is virtually no money available from advertisers for audiences over
55. Plenty of formats that appeal primarily under 55, like country, Urban
AC, AC, classic rock, classic hits, etc., also appeal to many over 55's but
stations with that audience get little benefitt from the older listeners.

=IF= These were Hispanic Radio Listeners and they
simply made up 5% or more of any Local Community :
You would be Demanding Equal Rights to Serve Their
Needs as Non-English Radio Listeners.

There is no Hispanic agency money for anything over 49. This is about
advertisers making investments and expecting a return on them.

Sure Sound Like Their Is Some Sort of Civil Rights
Case in There for English Speaking Radio Listeners
Over the Age of 55 Against You and Your Licensed
Big Media Corpotations for Failing to Serve the Public
Interest of +20% of Your Communities.

There is no law that stores have to stock items that have little or no
demand. This is the same case. Radio can't serve teens for the same reason..

-translation- F*uck the Radio Listeners This Is A Business.
{ Where Broadcasters Own The Radio Lister's Ears. }
*.

It's much simpler... if a radio station programming does not attract
listeners that advertisers want to reach, it either is sold to someone else
or it changes programming.

So Corporate Media's Excuse to Radio Listeners over the
Age of 55 and Age 49 for Hispanic Radio Listeners is :
IT THE ADVERTISERS FAULT !

d'oh ~ RHF

- The government in the US does not intervene and
- has not for about 40 years, in licensee decisions
- about program formats.

We are NOT talking about Programming Formats
We Are Talking About Discriminating Against the
+20% of the Adult Poplutation Over the Age of 55.

d'oh again ~ RHF

David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:


"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
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In posted on Thu,
5 Jun 2008 14:24:32 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin

Most of SD county does not receive a listenable signal from KNX based
on
what signal level is required to get ratings.

I get them just fine,
maybe you're thinking of the Anza Borrego desert communities

No, I am thinking of the fact, verified by dozens of ratings periods in
many, many markets that shows that AMs get over 95% of their in home and
at
work listening (70% lof the total listening on average is in home or at
work
where ZIPs are tracable) is in areas where the signal is 10 mv/m or
greater.
Since only a tiny amount of shoreline has that intensity from KNX, there
is
pretty much nowhere that the signal is usable by the average,
non-hobbyist,
listener. Which is part of why they have essentially no in home or at
work
listening at all in SD County (the county is the metro for Arbitron).

SNIP

You are so full of crap. You don't know what you are talking about at
all.

Yeah, you are right and the measured behaviour of millions of persons over
the period of a decade or more is wrong.

San Diego is one of the markets where listening location vs. signal strength
has been analyzed, going back to 1998 and covering 39 survey periods and
nearly 100,000 listener diaries.

Pure pedant.