Radio World to Ibiquity: Reconsider AM HD

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It's akin to what's happening with the war in Iraq, as one former
"cheerleader" of the cause after another changes their tune.

One of the biggest cheerleaders of all things HD (and Ibiquity), Radio
World Magazine, has, in an editorial in the latest issue, changed
their mind about AM HD. They cite coverage issues (reports of people
being able to see the damn tower(s), but not receive the signal),
numerous stations which have abruptly stopped transmitting (AM) HD
because of interference reports from neighboring stations, and studies
which indicate that AM HD will turn the lucrative "cash cow" signals
of 50kw flamethrower outlets owned by Clear Channel, Infinity, etc.
into cash poor calves...with signals which are a shadow of their
former selves. This last point, plus the fact that there is still no
nighttime authorization for AM HD, is what Radio World believes is
stalling adoption of AM HD even by the large broadcasters who have
championed it.

While lower power, local AM stations are in trouble, big-signal 50kw
am outlets are anything but. They often dominate their markets, with
more audience share and cash-flow than any fm music station. The idea
of reducing coverage area (with increased interference...which is now
no longer theory, but established in practice by several big-signal
stations which have ceased HD operation) in order to present TALK
programming in "HD" is quite nauseating to station owners.

For these reasons, Radio World now urges Ibiquity to form an alliance
with DRM (Digital Radio Mondiale), and rethink AM HD...choosing a
system that's both more robust, AND causes less interference. Talk
about an about face!

(Observatons on the state of AM HD are those of Radio World, which I
have paraphrased, not quoted...I don't have the editorial page in
front of me. These are not my own opinions, as I still haven't heard
AM HD.)

http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/...d.php?t=771426

Eduardo - it's amazing your can even function, lugging around all of
those bags of ****!

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gallant17 wrote:

Radio World to Ibiquity: Reconsider AM HD

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It's akin to what's happening with the war in Iraq, as one former
"cheerleader" of the cause after another changes their tune.

One of the biggest cheerleaders of all things HD (and Ibiquity), Radio
World Magazine, has, in an editorial in the latest issue, changed
their mind about AM HD. They cite coverage issues (reports of people
being able to see the damn tower(s), but not receive the signal),
numerous stations which have abruptly stopped transmitting (AM) HD
because of interference reports from neighboring stations, and studies
which indicate that AM HD will turn the lucrative "cash cow" signals
of 50kw flamethrower outlets owned by Clear Channel, Infinity, etc.
into cash poor calves...with signals which are a shadow of their
former selves. This last point, plus the fact that there is still no
nighttime authorization for AM HD, is what Radio World believes is
stalling adoption of AM HD even by the large broadcasters who have
championed it.

Yeah they got the night time authorization but after one week most
stations turned it back off nights due to the huge amount of
interference.

While lower power, local AM stations are in trouble, big-signal 50kw
am outlets are anything but. They often dominate their markets, with
more audience share and cash-flow than any fm music station. The idea
of reducing coverage area (with increased interference...which is now
no longer theory, but established in practice by several big-signal
stations which have ceased HD operation) in order to present TALK
programming in "HD" is quite nauseating to station owners.

For these reasons, Radio World now urges Ibiquity to form an alliance
with DRM (Digital Radio Mondiale), and rethink AM HD...choosing a
system that's both more robust, AND causes less interference. Talk
about an about face!

SNIP

The only problem here is that DRM is no better than IBOC. This is not
rocket science. I told the readers of RRS years ago that these schemes
would work poorly. In past posts I outlined what the problems would be
and they have all come to pass. I was able to do this as a natural
consequence of those systems specifications. These systems suck as they
do not use enough bandwidth to provide the quality of service along with
improved sound quality. You have to have bandwidth and power to create a
solid communications link.

Ibiquity and the DRM consortium will lie right to your face because they
have an investment in the technology. These groups are just a bunch of
pointy haired marketing and management idiots.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:

In article
,
gallant17 wrote:

Radio World to Ibiquity: Reconsider AM HD

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--

It's akin to what's happening with the war in Iraq, as one former
"cheerleader" of the cause after another changes their tune.

One of the biggest cheerleaders of all things HD (and Ibiquity), Radio
World Magazine, has, in an editorial in the latest issue, changed
their mind about AM HD. They cite coverage issues (reports of people
being able to see the damn tower(s), but not receive the signal),
numerous stations which have abruptly stopped transmitting (AM) HD
because of interference reports from neighboring stations, and studies
which indicate that AM HD will turn the lucrative "cash cow" signals
of 50kw flamethrower outlets owned by Clear Channel, Infinity, etc.
into cash poor calves...with signals which are a shadow of their
former selves. This last point, plus the fact that there is still no
nighttime authorization for AM HD, is what Radio World believes is
stalling adoption of AM HD even by the large broadcasters who have
championed it.

Yeah they got the night time authorization but after one week most
stations turned it back off nights due to the huge amount of
interference.

While lower power, local AM stations are in trouble, big-signal 50kw
am outlets are anything but. They often dominate their markets, with
more audience share and cash-flow than any fm music station. The idea
of reducing coverage area (with increased interference...which is now
no longer theory, but established in practice by several big-signal
stations which have ceased HD operation) in order to present TALK
programming in "HD" is quite nauseating to station owners.

For these reasons, Radio World now urges Ibiquity to form an alliance
with DRM (Digital Radio Mondiale), and rethink AM HD...choosing a
system that's both more robust, AND causes less interference. Talk
about an about face!

SNIP

The only problem here is that DRM is no better than IBOC. This is not
rocket science. I told the readers of RRS years ago that these schemes
would work poorly. In past posts I outlined what the problems would be
and they have all come to pass. I was able to do this as a natural
consequence of those systems specifications. These systems suck as they
do not use enough bandwidth to provide the quality of service along with
improved sound quality. You have to have bandwidth and power to create a
solid communications link.

Ibiquity and the DRM consortium will lie right to your face because they
have an investment in the technology. These groups are just a bunch of
pointy haired marketing and management idiots.

Oh come on now, 'Eduardo' has 'Bozo' hair!

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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"Telamon" wrote in message
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Yeah they got the night time authorization but after one week most
stations turned it back off nights due to the huge amount of
interference.

Only two that turned it off are not back on, WABC and WJR. All others are
back. In any case, AM is beyond hope.



It surely is now that you have added massive interference to the mix..

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Yeah they got the night time authorization but after one week most
stations turned it back off nights due to the huge amount of
interference.

Only two that turned it off are not back on, WABC and WJR. All others are
back. In any case, AM is beyond hope.

You have got to be kidding. For about two weeks I could not get KOH on
780 until someone turned off their IBOC noise maker evenings. I don't
think is was either of those two stations.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On May 31, 9:46 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Only two that turned it off are not back on, WABC and WJR. All others are
back. In any case, AM is beyond hope.

Eduardo - I can't believe you would admit that! I think therapy is
helping you. Keep up the good work!

On Jun 1, 9:59*am, Dave wrote:
Telamon wrote:
In article ,
*"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Yeah they got the night time authorization but after one week most
stations turned it back off nights due to the huge amount of
interference.
Only two that turned it off are not back on, WABC and WJR. All others are
back. In any case, AM is beyond hope.

You have got to be kidding. For about two weeks I could not get KOH on
780 until someone turned off their IBOC noise maker evenings. I don't
think is was either of those two stations.

770 and 790 are both Citadel stations, as is 780. *I doubt they want to
screw up the whole southwest with digital hash.- Hide quoted text -

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"Citadel Halts AM Nighttime IBOC Operation Amid Complaints"

"An excerpt from his memo to staff reads: In response to the
lackluster performance, the limited benefit and various reports of
significant interference, Citadel is suspending nighttime AM HD
operations at this time. Please reinstate your previous procedures for
daytime-only HD operation as soon as possible.”

http://www.radioworld.com/pages/s.0121/t.8847.html

"Editorial: AM IBOC in Distress?"

"Citadel Director of Corporate Engineering Martin Stabbert embodied
questions about the efficacy of full-time AM HD when he ordered all
his AMs that had already converted to cease transmitting HD at night,
using language that must have given Ibiquity officials heartburn.
Separately and for different immediate reasons, Cox, in a “let’s wait
and see” move, has tried HD on most of its AM stations but is taking
it off the air day and night, once tested at each facility."

http://www.rwonline.com/pages/s.0044/t.9917.html

"AM Broadcasters Back Away from HD Deployment"

"This is a major setback for the adoption of HD Radio, especially on
the AM dial, and Citadel is the first large broadcast conglomerate to
back away from full deployment of the HD broadcast technology.
Although the company's gone out of its way not to characterize its
move an indictment of iBiquity's proprietary digital broadcast
standard, the problems with AM HD broadcast interference are well-
known and -documented."

http://diymedia.net/archive/1007.htm#101307

Correct!

On May 31, 9:46�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

....

Yeah they got the night time authorization but after one week most
stations turned it back off nights due to the huge amount of
interference.

Only two that turned it off are not back on, WABC and WJR. All others are
back. In any case, AM is beyond hope.

"AM IBOC Stations on the Air"
Last update: 29 May 2008

WSB GA Atlanta A NDA 50000 50000 News/Talk Cox IBOC said to be off
due to listener complaints
WJR MI Detroit A NDA 50000 50000 N* News/Talk Citadel * Was previously
on
WABC NY New York City A NDA 50000 50000 N* Talk Citadel * Was
previously on

http://topazdesigns.com/iboc/station-list.html

WJR, WSB, and WABC are off, ****bag!

On May 31, 9:46�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

....

Yeah they got the night time authorization but after one week most
stations turned it back off nights due to the huge amount of
interference.

Only two that turned it off are not back on, WABC and WJR. All others are
back. In any case, AM is beyond hope.

"AM IBOC Stations on the Air"
Last update: 29 May 2008

WSB GA Atlanta A NDA 50000 50000 News/Talk Cox IBOC said to be off
due to listener complaints
WJR MI Detroit A NDA 50000 50000 N* News/Talk Citadel * Was previously
on
WABC NY New York City A NDA 50000 50000 N* Talk Citadel * Was
previously on

http://topazdesigns.com/iboc/station-list.html

All off!

On Jun 1, 11:45 am, gallant17 wrote:
On May 31, 9:46�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message

...

Yeah they got the night time authorization but after one week most
stations turned it back off nights due to the huge amount of
interference.

Only two that turned it off are not back on, WABC and WJR. All others are
back. In any case, AM is beyond hope.

"AM IBOC Stations on the Air"
Last update: 29 May 2008

WSB GA Atlanta A NDA 50000 50000 News/Talk Cox IBOC said to be off
due to listener complaints
WJR MI Detroit A NDA 50000 50000 N* News/Talk Citadel * Was previously
on
WABC NY New York City A NDA 50000 50000 N* Talk Citadel * Was
previously on

http://topazdesigns.com/iboc/station-list.html

All off!

If it were not for ibiquitys foreign market which is still not self
sustaining and might not ever be, ibiquity would have to lay off
people due to lack of interest just like in 2003.