A friend let me borrow his Sony XDR-S3HD radio before he sells it on
eBay to try and recoup some of his money. Trying it out I kept
wondering – what’s so compelling about this? I could detect virtually
no difference in audio quality between FM analog and FM “HD”. The
only way I new it had switched to HD was the “HD” symbol quit blinking
and a little text appeared telling me what song was playing. WOW, how
cool is this. What was even more irritating was that the analog and
digital signals were out of sync by about 5 seconds. So much for a
smooth transition. No CD Quality here boys.

AM “HD” was even more goofy. When it did lock, which wasn’t often,
the audio level changed – very irritating. AM “HD” isn’t FM quality
as iBiquity likes to tout. It warbles, distorts and generally sounds
bad – something like talking under water. The only positive was the
reduction of background noise in AM “HD” mode.

The real shocker was how power hungry the radio must be – and this is
just a tabletop clock radio – nothing fancy. It comes with a MASSIVE
external power transformer “brick” that you could use as an anchor for
a boat. But it doesn’t end there. The radio has a COOLING FAN
mounted in the bottom. Yes, that’s right a COOLING FAN in a clock
radio – with all kinds of warnings in the instruction book about
keeping the radio adequately ventilated.

Man, am I glad I didn’t buy this thing.

"Rfburns" wrote in message
...
A friend let me borrow his Sony XDR-S3HD radio before he sells it on
eBay to try and recoup some of his money. Trying it out I kept
wondering – what’s so compelling about this? I could detect virtually
no difference in audio quality between FM analog and FM “HD”.

On a larger radio, there is a definite improvement in audio, but one of the
big advantages is the near total absence of multipath in vehicles in motion.

What was even more irritating was that the analog and
digital signals were out of sync by about 5 seconds. So much for a
smooth transition. No CD Quality here boys.

The delay is supposed to be synchronized by the station. Obviously, the
station did not do this right, which is not HD's fault. All stations I have
heard transition seamlessly.

The real shocker was how power hungry the radio must be – and this is
just a tabletop clock radio – nothing fancy. It comes with a MASSIVE
external power transformer “brick” that you could use as an anchor for
a boat.

The available second generation receivers, overall, suck.

On Jun 6, 7:35*am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Rfburns" wrote in message

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A friend let me borrow his Sony XDR-S3HD radio before he sells it on
eBay to try and recoup some of his money. *Trying it out I kept
wondering – what’s so compelling about this? *I could detect virtually
no difference in audio quality between FM analog and FM “HD”.

On a larger radio, there is a definite improvement in audio, but one of the
big advantages is the near total absence of multipath in vehicles in motion.

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Rfburns" wrote in message
...
A friend let me borrow his Sony XDR-S3HD radio before he sells it on
eBay to try and recoup some of his money. Trying it out I kept
wondering – what’s so compelling about this? I could detect virtually
no difference in audio quality between FM analog and FM “HD”.

On a larger radio, there is a definite improvement in audio, but one of the
big advantages is the near total absence of multipath in vehicles in motion.

Oh baloney, a larger radio? What the hell does the size of the radio
matter?

Yeah, in vehicles the audio drops out instead of you hearing the picket
fence effect like that is an improvement? Only in your twisted little
world Eduardo.

What was even more irritating was that the analog and
digital signals were out of sync by about 5 seconds. So much for a
smooth transition. No CD Quality here boys.

The delay is supposed to be synchronized by the station. Obviously, the
station did not do this right, which is not HD's fault. All stations I have
heard transition seamlessly.

The stations don't bother to get it right because HD is crap to begin
with. No fixing that.

The real shocker was how power hungry the radio must be – and this is
just a tabletop clock radio – nothing fancy. It comes with a MASSIVE
external power transformer “brick” that you could use as an anchor for
a boat.

The available second generation receivers, overall, suck.

You don't get anything right do you. They are first generation radios.
These radios use general purpose IC's with program instructions on ROM's
so they function as a HD radio. Do you understand these simple facts?

The second generation will have IC's that are specifically designed for
HD. This will allow them to use less power however, they will not work
any better than the radios work now. For HD to work better the system
has to change so don't expect an improvement other than power
consumption, heat generated or battery life in a portable device should
any show up.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

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Telamon
Ventura, California

In article
,
gallant17 wrote:

On Jun 6, 7:35*am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Rfburns" wrote in message

...
A friend let me borrow his Sony XDR-S3HD radio before he sells it on
eBay to try and recoup some of his money. *Trying it out I kept
wondering * what¹s so compelling about this? *I could detect virtually
no difference in audio quality between FM analog and FM ³HD².

On a larger radio, there is a definite improvement in audio, but one of the
big advantages is the near total absence of multipath in vehicles in motion.

*What was even more irritating was that the analog and
digital signals were out of sync by about 5 seconds. *So much for a
smooth transition. *No CD Quality here boys.

The delay is supposed to be synchronized by the station. Obviously, the
station did not do this right, which is not HD's fault. All stations I have
heard transition seamlessly.

The real shocker was how power hungry the radio must be * and this is
just a tabletop clock radio * nothing fancy. *It comes with a MASSIVE
external power transformer ³brick² that you could use as an anchor for
a boat.

The available second generation receivers, overall, suck.

"Renowned Cambridge SoundWorks HD Radio Designer Explains HD Radio"

"HD Radio broadcasts require a consistent, stronger signal than analog
broadcasts... Below the minimum required signal le vel, the HD Radio
program switches back to the analog signal... There is a limit to how
far you can be from a transmitter and still receive an HD Radio
transmission. For flat land with no obstructions, this limit could be
as far away as 20-25 miles. For hilly terrain, the limit may drop to
10-15 miles. For the strongest signal within 20 miles of a radio
transmitter, the user should position the provided 30 inch dipole
antenna either horizontally or vertically along a wall or window."

http://www.hdradio.com/the_buzz.php?thebuzz=87

Do you understand why this is? It is because no thought was applied to
quality of service of the radio signal. This is a glaring omission in
the IBOC specification.

"IBOC TECHNOLOGY: An Assessment of Technical & Operational Issues in
the Canadian FM Radio Environment"

"For a variety of reasons relating to the time requirements for
digital signal processing, it takes 8-10 seconds for the digital audio
signals to be heard when an HD Radio receiver is first tuned to a
transmission. Likewise, it can take equally long to restore digital
quality when the signal fails and then returns again. A secondary
consequence of this processing delay is that programming fed to the
analog FM transmitter must be delayed by 8-10 seconds whenever the
blending feature is being utilized. This ensures that content is not
lost when the receiver switches back to analog mode during a digital
signal failure. Stations using this technology may need to implement
certain internal operational changes to accommodate the fact that off-
air listeners will experience delays of up to 10 seconds with both the
analog and digital versions of their programming. Since no analog
program version exists for ancillary HD2 or HD3 programming, listeners
experiencing digital failures must simply tolerate audio outages until
the signal restores itself."

http://www.cab-acr.ca/english/radio/...port_final.pdf

What a piece of crap system.

"HD Radio set to botch its first impression"

"It is patently stupid to tack on HD stations to existing analog
frequences (as in 98.5-1, 98.5-2, 98.5-3) and then put three different
things on those frequencies... Furthermore, the names are so
incredibly clunky, moving newfangled digital radio strongly in the
direction of even clunkier HAM radio. It's a confusing mass of digits,
decimals, and dashes."

http://www.hear2.com/2005/08/hd_radio_set_to.html


The HD signals are even more prone to dropouts in moving vehicles, if
even the signals can be picked up. If the signals are synced, then
there is a 5 to 10 second delay for acquiring the signals, as they are
constantly rebuffered.. Navigating the HD dial is a nightmare. This
system simply doesn't work, and is not applicable for real-world
applications. Consumers will no put up with this defective system.

IBOC is a piece of crap engineering and that management would put such a
miserable system on the air is almost beyond belief.

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Telamon
Ventura, California

In article
,
Rfburns wrote:

On Jun 6, 7:35 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Rfburns" wrote in message

...
A friend let me borrow his Sony XDR-S3HD radio before he sells it on
eBay to try and recoup some of his money. Trying it out I kept
wondering * what¹s so compelling about this? I could detect virtually
no difference in audio quality between FM analog and FM ³HD².

On a larger radio, there is a definite improvement in audio, but one of the
big advantages is the near total absence of multipath in vehicles in motion.

What was even more irritating was that the analog and
digital signals were out of sync by about 5 seconds. So much for a
smooth transition. No CD Quality here boys.

The delay is supposed to be synchronized by the station. Obviously, the
station did not do this right, which is not HD's fault. All stations I have
heard transition seamlessly.

The real shocker was how power hungry the radio must be * and this is
just a tabletop clock radio * nothing fancy. It comes with a MASSIVE
external power transformer ³brick² that you could use as an anchor for
a boat.

The available second generation receivers, overall, suck.

To be honest it's hard to imagine the next generation radios consuming
significantly less power. Things just don't work that way. Also, the
radio has a headphone output which I used to drive a very high quality
amplifier and I still couldn't hear much of a difference. In fact,
the high frequencies sounded cleaner in FM analog mode.
The radio seemed to get confused at times when it attempted to switch
and went silent which required a power on reset to get out of it. Not
too cool.

Actually it is the only real improvement you can expect from the 2nd
generation radios is a reduction in the power requirements. Don't
believe the BS about the current crop of receivers being 2nd generation.
Of course for the 2nd generation radios to be produced requires that the
IC's specifically designed to be used in IBOC receivers be fabricated.
The earliest that will happen is this summer.

Let's be honest Eduardo if thats possible for you, it's just not going
to sell and will take years to be successful and I don't think the
public even cares. It's just the radio insiders that seem to be going
crazy over it.

It is not possible for Eduardo to be honest.

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Telamon
Ventura, California