On Aug 8, 3:58*pm, KaitoWRX911 wrote:
- - On Aug 8, 6:45 pm, KaitoWRX911 wrote:
- - From:
- -
- - "PRIME TIME SHORTWAVE" Updated July 18, 2008
- -
- - http://www.primetimeshortwave.com/america.txt
- -
- - 1505-1705 NA Canada R. Canada Int'l 9515, 9800 drm
- - 1945-2030 Am Vatican City Vatican R. 9800ca drm
- - 2100-2200 NA Canada R. Canada Int'l 9800 drm
- - 2230-2300 NA Sweden R. Sweden 9800ca drm
- - 2300-2345 Am Vatican City Vatican R. 9755 drm
- - 2300-2400 NA China China R. Int'l 6145ca, 9800ca drm
- -
- - DRM seems to be mainly rebroadcast from CBC
- - on 9800khz to North America.
- - What gives? Have tried 9800 from East Coast with
- - no increase in adjacent-channel interference.
- - I read that DRM can be narrowed from 20khz to 9 - 10khz.
- - Seems that only Radio Vatican runs DRM separately.
- - Hopefully, DRM is dead. Any thoughts?

- Sorry, I found about 7 to 10 stations running it in Europe,
- but seems they are targeting rather locally.
- Is this becasue DRM does not decode at greater distances?

The Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM) Signal seams to work
best as a 'intra-continental' Domestic Broadcast System
with a Range out to 900~1200 Miles.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...b553514d5c72d7

Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM) Covering the Nation Not the World
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...8f7ff4c6c7739f

What is the Future of DRM on Shortwave Radio ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...7cba0df8be9e2c
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...16e8c3266f13fa


the truth is out-there - riding on a radio-wave ~ RHF

On Aug 9, 8:14�am, KaitoWRX911 wrote:
On Aug 9, 1:46 am, user wrote:



- Sorry, I found about 7 to 10 stations running it in Europe,

http://www.drm.org/for-listeners/liv...cast-schedule/

Even dance stations on drm ...

UTC Days kHz Beam Target Power Programme Language Site
0000-0059 daily 1431 ND Canberra 0.05 MCS English Gungahlin
0000-0059 daily 9790 227 NE USA 70 TDPradio Dance Music Sackville
0000-0300 daily 177 ND Germany 150 DLR Kultur German Oranienburg
0000-2400 daily 1386 ND AUS-NSW 3 ABC English Wollongong, NSW
0000-2400 daily 1008 ND Prov. Hunan 4 Economic Ch. Chinese Chang Sha
0000-2400 daily 999 ND Paris 8 DRM test French Villebon SFN
0000-2400 daily 25775 ND Rennes 0.1 TDF Radio French Rennes
0000-2400 daily 25775 ND Cote d'azur 0.7 AGORA French Grasse
0000-2400 daily 59500 ND Rennes 0.15 TDF French Rennes
0000-2400 daily 729 ND NE Germany 1 DKultur German Putbus
0000-2400 daily 855 ND Berlin 10 DLF German Berlin-Britz
0000-2400 daily 1485 ND SW Germany 0.42 SWR cont.ra German Mainz-Wolfsheim
0000-2400 daily 1485 ND Berlin 1 Oldiestar Radio German Berlin-Schaeferberg
0000-2400 daily 1593 ND W Germany 10 WDR 2 Klassik German Langenberg
0000-2400 daily 15896 ND Erlangen 0.1 biteXpress German Erlangen
0000-2400 temp. 26000 ND Neumarkt 0.1 Campus Radio German Dillberg
0000-2400 temp. 26012 ND Nuernberg 0.1 Campus Radio German Nuernberg
0000-2400 daily 25695 - London 0.1 DW, Premier Radio English Crystal Palace
0000-2400 daily 693 ND Italy 30 RAI tests Italian Milano
0000-2400 daily 846 ND Italy 25 RAI Italian Santa Palomba
0000-2400 daily 26010 ND Italy 0.1 Radio Maria Italian Andrate
0000-2400 daily 25740 ND Rwanda 0.08 Radio Rwanda various Kigali
0000-2400 daily 26060 ND Roma 0.2 Raiway Roma Italian Vatican City
0002-0200 Sat/Sun 3995 40 Europe 90 DW various Sines
0100-0300 daily 15735 213 Asia 90 VoR Russian Komsomolsk Amur
0159-0458 daily 13840 0 Pacific 50 RNZI English Rangitaiki
0200-0259 daily 1548 35 S Asia 100 DW English Trincomalee
0300-0500 daily 15735 213 Asia 90 VoR English Komsomolsk Amur
0300-0600 08/04-08/24 17840 25 Beijing 60 BBCWS English Nakhon Sawan
0300-2100 daily 6085 ND Europe 10 BR-B5akt German Ismaning
0400-0500 daily 5875 190 Europe 35 BBCWS English Kvitsoy
0400-0500 daily 3995 40 Europe 90 DW various Sines
0400-0700 daily 1296 96 Europe 70 BBCWS English Orfordness
0400-0800 daily 6055 ND Near East 120 MOI Kuwait Arabic Sulaibiyah
0459-0658 daily 9890 0 Pacific 50 RNZI English Rangitaiki
0500-0600 daily 17525 45 East Asia 90 DW English Trincomalee
0500-0600 daily 3995 120 Europe 100 DW various Skelton
0500-0700 daily 6195 190 Europe 35 BBCWS English Kvitsoy
0500-1000 Tue 9925 167 S Europe 100 RTBF French Wavre
0600-0659 daily 6130 300 Europe 40 DW various Moosbrunn
0600-0900 08/04-08/24 21640 25 Beijing 60 BBCWS English Nakhon Sawan
0600-1200 Fri-Sun 11900 306 Europe 20 BNR digital Bulgarian Sofia
0600-1510 Mon-Sat 1611 ND Europe 25 Vatican Radio various Santa Maria
0600-1600 daily 1440 45 Europe 240 RTL Radio German Marnach
0630-0715 daily 6095 60 Europe 50 RTL Radio German Junglinster
0659-1058 daily 6170 0 Pacific 50 RNZI English Rangitaiki
0700-0800 daily 7310 300 Europe 40 DW various Moosbrunn
0700-0900 daily 9780 50 Europe 100 REE Spanish Noblejas
0700-1500 daily 594 ND Europe 10 Glas Hrvatske various Deanovec
0715-0730 daily 6095 60 Europe 50 MW Heukelbach German Junglinster
0730-0745 daily 6095 60 Europe 50 R. Freundesdienst German Junglinster
0745-1500 daily 6095 60 Europe 50 RTL Radio German Junglinster
0800-0858 daily 12070 345 India 90 DW English Trincomalee
0800-0900 Mon 6015 60 Europe 150 TDPradio Dance Music Issoudun
0800-0900 daily 12060 265 Europe 35 VoR English Taldom
0800-0900 daily 15545 240 Europe 35 VoR English Taldom
0800-1359 daily 13810 35 Europe 90 DW various Sines
0800-1400 daily 1575 ND NE Germany 20 OldieStar Radio German Burg
0815-1510 Sun 1611 ND Europe 25 Vatican Radio various Santa Maria
0816-0846 Sat 9655 280 UK 40 BVB English Nauen
0900-1000 Tue 6015 60 Europe 150 TDPradio Dance Music Issoudun
0900-1000 daily 12060 265 Europe 35 VoR German Taldom
0900-1200 Mon-Thu 11900 306 Europe 20 BNR digital Bulgarian Sofia
0900-1200 daily 15545 240 Europe 35 VoR German Taldom
0915-1310 daily 13620 310 Europe 120 MOI Kuwait Arabic Sulaibiyah
1000-1100 Wed 6015 60 Europe 150 TDPradio Dance Music Issoudun
1059-1258 daily 6170 325 Pacific 50 RNZI English Rangitaiki
1100-1130 Fri 9760 102 Europe 100 NHK English Woofferton
1100-1200 daily 5995 10 Papua 8 Radio Australia English Brandon
1100-1200 Thu 6015 60 Europe 150 TDPradio Dance Music Issoudun
1130-1200 Fri 9760 102 Europe 100 NHK Russian Woofferton
1200-1230 Sun 5945 ND Europe 40 BVB English Wertachtal
1200-1300 Fri 6015 60 Europe 150 TDPradio Dance Music Issoudun
1200-1300 Fri 9850 102 Europe 100 RTI English Woofferton
1200-1400 daily 12080 80 SW Pacific 8 Radio Australia English Brandon
1300-1327 Fri/Sat 9850 102 Europe 100 Radio Prague German Woofferton
1300-1400 Sat 6015 60 Europe 150 TDPradio Dance Music Issoudun
1300-1400 daily 9750 260 Europe 35 VoR Russian Taldom
1300-1600 Mon-Thu 9700 306 Europe 20 BNR digital Bulgarian

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Dead DRM sites:

http://www.drmrx.org/
http://www.aoruk.com/drm.htm

Ha! Ha! Looks like the ****er is dead!

On Aug 9, 8:14*am, KaitoWRX911 wrote:

The drm.org site is all but dead:

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/drm.org/?metric=uv

The "Compete" site provides statistics for only US traffic on websites
so it completely misses the rest of the world. Since US domestic
digital broadcasting is something other than DRM, US traffic to
drm.org might reasonably be expected to be lower than from those parts
of the world where DRM is actively being considered.

It might be reasonable to assume that most of the US traffic to
drm.org is by shortwave listeners. SW listening is in such decline in
the US that it is also not surprising that the stats are low. However,
US visitors to drm.org for July/2008 number about 13% of the number of
US visitors to www.primetimeshortwave.com, a not insignificant
proportion.

How meaningful any of these stats might be is moot. I don't see how
you can draw your conclusion from them. Neither can I see any grounds
for thinking that DRM is growing out of its infancy.

On Aug 9, 2:45�pm, Tom wrote:
On Aug 9, 8:14�am, KaitoWRX911 wrote:



The drm.org site is all but dead:

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/drm.org/?metric=uv

The "Compete" site provides statistics for only US traffic on websites
so it completely misses the rest of the world. Since US domestic
digital broadcasting is something other than DRM, US traffic to
drm.org might reasonably be expected to be lower than from those parts
of the world where DRM is actively being considered.

It might be reasonable to assume that most of the US traffic to
drm.org is by shortwave listeners. SW listening is in such decline in
the US that it is also not surprising that the stats are low. However,
US visitors to drm.org for July/2008 number about 13% of the number of
US visitors towww.primetimeshortwave.com, a not insignificant
proportion.

How meaningful any of these stats might be is moot. I don't see how
you can draw your conclusion from them. Neither can I see any grounds
for thinking that DRM is growing out of its infancy.

Google Trends for Searches - DRM is dead:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=digit...ate=all&sort=0

Google Trends for Websites - DRM is dead:

http://trends.google.com/websites?q=...o=all&date=all

Compete - HD Radio is dead:

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/hdr...com/?metric=uv

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/hdr...com/?metric=uv

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/hdr...com/?metric=uv

On Aug 9, 2:45�pm, Tom wrote:
On Aug 9, 8:14�am, KaitoWRX911 wrote:



The drm.org site is all but dead:

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/drm.org/?metric=uv

The "Compete" site provides statistics for only US traffic on websites
so it completely misses the rest of the world. Since US domestic
digital broadcasting is something other than DRM, US traffic to
drm.org might reasonably be expected to be lower than from those parts
of the world where DRM is actively being considered.

It might be reasonable to assume that most of the US traffic to
drm.org is by shortwave listeners. SW listening is in such decline in
the US that it is also not surprising that the stats are low. However,
US visitors to drm.org for July/2008 number about 13% of the number of
US visitors towww.primetimeshortwave.com, a not insignificant
proportion.

How meaningful any of these stats might be is moot. I don't see how
you can draw your conclusion from them. Neither can I see any grounds
for thinking that DRM is growing out of its infancy.

"Why don't you use DRM on Shortwave?"

"Some large companies are pushing DRM by convincing program producers
and broadcasters to start airing in DRM ahead of time, but unless
there is mass availability and penetration of receivers on the
listeners side, this will remain - unfortunately - a technological
experiment, and broadcasters using it to reach their listeners now,
are clearly throwing their money out of the window."

http://www.egradio.org/index.php?name=FAQ&id_cat=7

I think that I might just start a "Is DRM a Farce?" blog, just like my
"Is HD Radio a Farce?" blog.

On Aug 9, 2:45�pm, Tom wrote:
On Aug 9, 8:14�am, KaitoWRX911 wrote:



The drm.org site is all but dead:

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/drm.org/?metric=uv

The "Compete" site provides statistics for only US traffic on websites
so it completely misses the rest of the world. Since US domestic
digital broadcasting is something other than DRM, US traffic to
drm.org might reasonably be expected to be lower than from those parts
of the world where DRM is actively being considered.

It might be reasonable to assume that most of the US traffic to
drm.org is by shortwave listeners. SW listening is in such decline in
the US that it is also not surprising that the stats are low. However,
US visitors to drm.org for July/2008 number about 13% of the number of
US visitors towww.primetimeshortwave.com, a not insignificant
proportion.

How meaningful any of these stats might be is moot. I don't see how
you can draw your conclusion from them. Neither can I see any grounds
for thinking that DRM is growing out of its infancy.

"It might be reasonable to assume that most of the US traffic to
drm.org is by shortwave listeners. SW listening is in such decline in
the US that it is also not surprising that the stats are low. However,
US visitors to drm.org for July/2008 number about 13% of the number of
US visitors to www.primetimeshortwave.com, a not insignificant
proportion."

Who are you kidding - there were only 300 US visitors to drm.org in
July. A whopping 2,500 visitors to primetimeshortwave in July is not
an "insignificant" number - right! And only 1,000,000 3G iPhones sold
in the first eekend! I love it! All digital radio is a farce!

"Digital Radio Wobbles Around the World'

"But perhaps the most important thing I learned at the Budapest
workshop is that many established countries, which settled upon
digital radio transition plans many years before the U.S. did, are now
rethinking their own initiatives. The problem is not inherent to any
specific technology; it's due to the fact that no digital radio
protocol exists which does things that citizen-consumers see as
important enough to upgrade their receivers for."

http://diymedia.net/archive/0608.htm#062308

I am definately going to start that Deceptive Radio Mondiale blog!

On Aug 9, 3:33*pm, KaitoWRX911 wrote:
On Aug 9, 2:45 pm, Tom wrote:





On Aug 9, 8:14 am, KaitoWRX911 wrote:

The drm.org site is all but dead:

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/drm.org/?metric=uv

The "Compete" site provides statistics for only US traffic on websites
so it completely misses the rest of the world. Since US domestic
digital broadcasting is something other than DRM, US traffic to
drm.org might reasonably be expected to be lower than from those parts
of the world where DRM is actively being considered.

It might be reasonable to assume that most of the US traffic to
drm.org is by shortwave listeners. SW listening is in such decline in
the US that it is also not surprising that the stats are low. However,
US visitors to drm.org for July/2008 number about 13% of the number of
US visitors towww.primetimeshortwave.com, a not insignificant
proportion.

How meaningful any of these stats might be is moot. I don't see how
you can draw your conclusion from them. Neither can I see any grounds
for thinking that DRM is growing out of its infancy.

"It might be reasonable to assume that most of the US traffic to
drm.org is by shortwave listeners. SW listening is in such decline in
the US that it is also not surprising that the stats are low. However,
US visitors to drm.org for July/2008 number about 13% of the number of
US visitors towww.primetimeshortwave.com, a not insignificant
proportion."

Who are you kidding - there were only 300 US visitors to drm.org in
July. A whopping 2,500 visitors to primetimeshortwave in July is not
an "insignificant" number - right! And only 1,000,000 3G iPhones sold
in the first eekend! *I love it! *All digital radio is a farce!

"Digital Radio Wobbles Around the World'

"But perhaps the most important thing I learned at the Budapest
workshop is that many established countries, which settled upon
digital radio transition plans many years before the U.S. did, are now
rethinking their own initiatives. The problem is not inherent to any
specific technology; it's due to the fact that no digital radio
protocol exists which does things that citizen-consumers see as
important enough to upgrade their receivers for."

http://diymedia.net/archive/0608.htm#062308

I am definately going to start that Deceptive Radio Mondiale blog!- Hide quoted text -

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You do that! BTW, you misinterpreted my post which merely argues that
you cannot draw any of your conclusions from the statistics you had
presented. Your conclusion is better supported by the quote you cited
- I hold much the same opinion. The additional stats you link to do
show a downward trend in interest in shortwave schedules from which
one might infer a parallel trend in SW listening. They also indicate
an upward trend and then a plateau in accesses to hdradio.com, a non-
DRM technology and a website that provides no listening services which
you then juxtapose to sites that do provide streaming services. Talk
about apples, oranges and grapes! Your point can and should be better
made by citing more appropriate and relevant sources than by using
this scatter-gun method.