"John McCain says the economy is fundamentally sound.

John McCain doesn't think that 47 million people without health
insurance is a crisis.

John McCain wants to privatize Social Security. And in 2008, he still
thinks it's okay when women don't earn equal pay for equal work,"
Clinton said.

"With an agenda like that, it makes sense that George Bush and John
McCain will be together next week in the Twin Cities. Because these
days they're awfully hard to tell apart."

http://www.reuters.com/article/polit...ha nnel=10112

wrote:

"John McCain says the economy is fundamentally sound.

John McCain doesn't think that 47 million people without health
insurance is a crisis.

John McCain wants to privatize Social Security. And in 2008, he still
thinks it's okay when women don't earn equal pay for equal work,"
Clinton said.

"With an agenda like that, it makes sense that George Bush and John
McCain will be together next week in the Twin Cities. Because these
days they're awfully hard to tell apart."

NoBama, no cry!

wrote:
"John McCain says the economy is fundamentally sound.


The US economy grew by more than 1% last month, despite
inflation, and crippling oil prices. An economy that can show growth
during conditions like these IS fundamentally sound.



John McCain doesn't think that 47 million people without health
insurance is a crisis.


A point not mentioned in this 'crisis' is: Not every one who
doesn't have health insurance wants it.

I don't have health insurance. I don't want it.

I can name 3 of my colleagues who don't have it, either. And
don't want it.

47 million out of 350 million not having health insurance is NOT
a crisis.

The question isn't asked, 'How many want it and can't get it.?'

That's where your possible crisis can begin.

Truth is, that virtually anyone who wants it can get it. Even the
much maligned Wal-Mart has no less than 56 different insurance plans
(this from Wal-Mart/Sam's HR department), with more to be added
before year's end, and has been offering such a selection for
decades. And employees may pick from them at will, renewing, or not,
every year as they choose. There's a plan for every budget.

Truth is, that the self employed have available to them wide and
varied health insurance plans with top flight insurers for far, FAR
less than the outrageous COBRA plan that the government requires be
made available to departing employees to guarantee continuing
coverate during a layoff, or transition.

The truth is that no one is asking who REAlLY is in a Health
Insurance crisis, today, because no one is asking how many out of
those raw numbers is simply not interested in Health Insurance.

D Peter Maus wrote:


A point not mentioned in this 'crisis' is: Not every one who doesn't
have health insurance wants it.

I don't have health insurance. I don't want it.

I can name 3 of my colleagues who don't have it, either. And don't
want it.


The truth is that no one is asking who REAlLY is in a Health Insurance
crisis, today, because no one is asking how many out of those raw
numbers is simply not interested in Health Insurance.


Everyone should be in the pool. Young people, healthy people, need
coverage for accidents and to pay in while they're healthy so there'll
be something for them when they get old.

What's wrong with replacing current insurers with Medicare? An
immediate 20% cost saving would be realized and no one would be rejected
for "pre-existing conditions". Tens of thousands of Americans die early
because of lack of health care. This is a major disgrace. The USA is
the only "developed" country without universal health care.

Dave wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:


A point not mentioned in this 'crisis' is: Not every one who doesn't
have health insurance wants it.

I don't have health insurance. I don't want it.

I can name 3 of my colleagues who don't have it, either. And don't
want it.


The truth is that no one is asking who REAlLY is in a Health
Insurance crisis, today, because no one is asking how many out of
those raw numbers is simply not interested in Health Insurance.


Everyone should be in the pool.


Typical socialist mentality: everyone should be in the pool.

Why? If they choose not to be included they don't need to be
included. Some of us do just fine WITHOUT the noise of some
insurance company telling us where to go, which doctors to see or
what procedures to have done.

Those decisions are best left up to the patients and their
physicians...not insurance company bean counters.

Just because YOU choose to be in the pool doesn't mean I have to
accept substandard care if I can see and find a better way.

Dave wrote:
"developed" country without universal health care.


And the only developed country where health care actually works.

Ask all the Canadians who cross the border for emergency
procedures that would take a year wait or more from their universal
health care system.

Why do you think there are now private, non government involved
hospitals appearing in Canada? To serve those who have found the
Canadian health care system wanting.


Look at what's happening in the UK: rationing of health care with
more than 30% of the population pre-rejected from certain procedures
due to existing health issues.



"If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what
it costs when it's free." -- P.J. O'Rourke.

On Aug 27, 9:33 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Dave wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:

A point not mentioned in this 'crisis' is: Not every one who doesn't
have health insurance wants it.

I don't have health insurance. I don't want it.

I can name 3 of my colleagues who don't have it, either. And don't
want it.

The truth is that no one is asking who REAlLY is in a Health
Insurance crisis, today, because no one is asking how many out of
those raw numbers is simply not interested in Health Insurance.

Everyone should be in the pool.

Typical socialist mentality: everyone should be in the pool.

Why? If they choose not to be included they don't need to be
included. Some of us do just fine WITHOUT the noise of some
insurance company telling us where to go, which doctors to see or
what procedures to have done.

Those decisions are best left up to the patients and their
physicians...not insurance company bean counters.

Just because YOU choose to be in the pool doesn't mean I have to
accept substandard care if I can see and find a better way.

Last guy I knew who " Didn't Go To Doctors"

- died of a stroke.

D Peter Maus wrote:
Dave wrote:
"developed" country without universal health care.


And the only developed country where health care actually works.

Ask all the Canadians who cross the border for emergency procedures
that would take a year wait or more from their universal health care
system.

Why do you think there are now private, non government involved
hospitals appearing in Canada? To serve those who have found the
Canadian health care system wanting.


Look at what's happening in the UK: rationing of health care with more
than 30% of the population pre-rejected from certain procedures due to
existing health issues.



"If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what
it costs when it's free." -- P.J. O'Rourke.


Margaret Thatcher totally screwed-up England, including their health
care system. What's wrong with the German system? Or the French? You
never hear about those.

BTW, we're better than Canada.

wrote:
On Aug 27, 9:33 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Dave wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:
A point not mentioned in this 'crisis' is: Not every one who doesn't
have health insurance wants it.
I don't have health insurance. I don't want it.
I can name 3 of my colleagues who don't have it, either. And don't
want it.
The truth is that no one is asking who REAlLY is in a Health
Insurance crisis, today, because no one is asking how many out of
those raw numbers is simply not interested in Health Insurance.
Everyone should be in the pool.
Typical socialist mentality: everyone should be in the pool.

Why? If they choose not to be included they don't need to be
included. Some of us do just fine WITHOUT the noise of some
insurance company telling us where to go, which doctors to see or
what procedures to have done.

Those decisions are best left up to the patients and their
physicians...not insurance company bean counters.

Just because YOU choose to be in the pool doesn't mean I have to
accept substandard care if I can see and find a better way.

Last guy I knew who " Didn't Go To Doctors"



Nice try. But no one said 'Didn't Go To Doctors.'

What was said, was 'Didn't let insurance bean counters make the
decision.'

More socialist game playing.

D Peter Maus wrote:

Ask all the Canadians who cross the border for emergency procedures
that would take a year wait or more from their universal health care
system.

Why do you think there are now private, non government involved
hospitals appearing in Canada? To serve those who have found the
Canadian health care system wanting.

As the population ages, their medical needs go up. Big business has
noticed a huge market catering to this group. There are billions to be
made, as people in general don't want to die. Most will pay anything in
order to stay above ground.

The politicians, ever so eager to keep their contributors and future
employers happy, are making privatization of the health care system
possible. In Calgary, Alberta, Canada, where I live, they've closed two
of the biggest hospitals. One was demolished and the other one is being
used by private interests. That caused a bed shortage.

The more of an inconvenience a visit to the hospital becomes, the more
people will be accepting a privatized system. That will, invariably,
cost them more than they are paying now. There has to be a profit made,
or why bother setting up a business?

Any shortcomings or faults in the system can be blamed directly on this
need of government to privatize. It's all about generating business
opportunities for the money men behind our elected 'servants'.





mike



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