On Sep 4, 9:52*pm, m II wrote:
Telamon wrote:
If there is no God and then you have a piece of paper with words on it
that can be changed by the whim of man at any time.

- Patriot Acts 1 and 2 prove there is no God?
-
- mike

That's A Real Paper Argument : Stated As A Belief : Based On Faith

- = God Exists As A Belief Based On Faith = -

The Patriot Acts Are an Act of God.

God Exists inspite of the the Patriot Acts.

God Exists and the Patriot Acts are a Non-Sequitur.

mike - there is no 'proof' that you exist ~ RHF
-but- i believe in the internet and have faith in usenet.

John Barnard wrote:

RHF wrote:
On Sep 3, 9:44 pm, John Barnard wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Sep 3, 5:07 pm, John Barnard wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Sep 3, 7:02 am, wrote:
Video taken in June, 2008
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...urch-may-have-
sh_n_123205.html
Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war
in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act
out the will of the Lord.
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is
right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national
leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God,"
she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that
we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's
plan."
- " Gods Will Has To Be Done"
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- This would be one heartbeat away from The Presidency
-
- McCain Wanted a Date!
All Related to . . . Freedom of Speech
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Speech
Palin has little concept of freedom of speech. Anyone who tries to get
books banned and threatens to fire someone who won't comply with that
goal is an enemy of the state.
JB
and the 'other' little freedom . . . Freedom of Religion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Religion
can i get an amen to that . . . ~ RHF
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Sarah Palin does have a clear idea of
The Right To Bear Arms
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/200...alinbikini.jpg
-source-
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charlo.../sarah-palin-b...
.
While Barack "Smoking" Obama supports your Right To Inhale
http://thegonzothinktank.files.wordp...ma-smoking.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...a-smoking1.jpg
.
Plus Barack "Snort" Obama supports your Right To Choose
http://www.politicalwhore.com/images/obamacoke.jpg
{the Drug of Your Choice}
http://www.israpundit.com/2008/wp-co...05/obama_smoke...
.
Sarah Palin believes in the right to:

1. Abuse her powers to act as a censor. So much for free speech ....

- 2. Put the country second. Alaska First - Alaska Always.

Any 'Elected' Governor who does not put their
State First is a Fool. The concept is Elected
"Representative" Government. As the Elected
VP she will Put America First.

Once again, you miss the point. She was part of an Alaska secessionist
movement. Try to keep up, if you can.


Barack Hussein Obama II is in his own words a
Global Citizen -ie- Citizen of the World : So why
should any American Citizen vote for a want-to-be
World President.

3. Being for the bridge before she was against it. Squeal little piggy!
4. Make life more difficult for single teen mothers. What's a little
hypocrisy among friends.
5. Be a member of a church which puts Rev. Jeremiah Wright to shame with
its vitriol.

- 6. Be part of a political party that likes its token
representatives.

"Token" Did You Say {Write} TOKEN ?
Sexist -ie- Racist Meaning well understood

Well then Barack Hussein Obama II clearly is
the Democrats Good Luck Charm in 2008.

Crappy attempt at distortion. She's a sorry attempt at try to get some
Clinton supporters to vote Repub. Otherwise, she doesn't have any
credentials to justify being a running mate.

You, being the dumbass Canuck that you are, fortunately don't get to decide!

And please, get back to confronting your own censorship issues up there in
CanaDuh.

D Peter Maus wrote:
Dave wrote:
On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:48:53 +0000, D Peter Maus wrote:





Well, you start by not trading it for convenience. You follow that up
by placing sharp restrictions on what information may be gathered and
what may be done with it.

And you wrap things up by keeping your business YOUR business.

So many times, European information gathering practices are cited,
especially by businesses wishing to gather information about it's
patrons, potential patrons, or people walking by in front of the store.
What's NOT cited is the enormous firewall between gathered information
and it's dissemination. What we do with gathered information, today is
obscene. And though the government may not, itself, gather information
about citizens, it MAY, according to recent court decisions, access
privately gathered information, virtually at will. So there are business
that do nothing but gather, collate and disseminate personal information
gathered about US citizens. Usually through credit card transactions, EZ
Pass movements, and cell phone activities. All of this information is
then accessible, with a friendly judge, to the government. In the case
of TelCo's, all that's needed is that someone ask.

This is obscene.

But we allow it 1) for our own convenience, and 2) because we believe
that 'if you have nothing to hide...' Few ever consider the possibility
of abuse. Until they someone takes their house.

I had a conversation with the mangler of the local grocery store, here
a few years ago. He wanted to know why I didn't have a 'preferred
customer card.' I told him that just knowing his first name and that he
worked at this store, it would take me only about 20 minutes to come up
with the balance on his mortgage. Accessing, directly, the information
tied to his Piggly Wiggly card.

He laughed.

I came back in less than 20 minutes with his mortgage balance, his
last month's telephone activity, the last 2 days of websites he's
visited on his home PC, his wife's name, age and previous marital
history, and the names and ages of two of his daughters and the dog.

And the name and address of his mistress.

All because I knew he had a Piggly Wiggly card.

Those preferred cards are tied to a credit card. Some, like Dominick's
even require a social security number. Once you have those, you've have
someone's entire life.

Well, needless to say, he was mortified. And probably divorced within
the year. He left the company about 3 weeks later.

But that's just one example. Look at the amount of data that's
available about you. Or any of us. And who has access to it.

How to you exercise privacy? Start by paying attention to it.


BTW, for more information about the gathering of information through
credit, and preferred club cards, go to

www.nocards.org


You'll be amazed.

Vary well put Peter. but, you better watch yourself,
the neo-cons/ bush crime family will be taking your
conserv club card back. thanks to dub-yas fear and
hate the last 8 years, we have lost almost everything
we hold dear. most people just don't see it that way.
big money wins again.

Drifter...

RHF wrote:

John "Smiley" McCain is Real : John "Smiley" McCain Exists

So do Diabetes and Cancer. Being real doesn't imply having merit or value.


Barack Hussein Obama II is a Promise Based on a Lie.

So, Obama is like Iraq?



mike

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On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:32:19 -0700, Telamon wrote:


The framers made very certain that there was no mention of any mythical
beings in the Constitution, being part of the Enlightenment and all.

You are right. God is not mythical.

Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the
conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The
consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of freethinking coupled with
the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state
through lies; it was a crushing impression. Mistrust of every kind of
authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude toward the
convictions that were alive in any specific social environment - an
attitude that has never again left me, even though, later on, it has been
tempered by a better insight into the causal connections.

- Albert Einstein, Autobiographical Notes, edited by Paul Arthur
Schilpp

(They don't call it the "Enlightenment" for nothing...)

In article ,
Dave wrote:

On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:32:19 -0700, Telamon wrote:


The framers made very certain that there was no mention of any mythical
beings in the Constitution, being part of the Enlightenment and all.

You are right. God is not mythical.

Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the
conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The
consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of freethinking coupled with
the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state
through lies; it was a crushing impression. Mistrust of every kind of
authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude toward the
convictions that were alive in any specific social environment - an
attitude that has never again left me, even though, later on, it has been
tempered by a better insight into the causal connections.

- Albert Einstein, Autobiographical Notes, edited by Paul Arthur
Schilpp

(They don't call it the "Enlightenment" for nothing...)

You seem to have several misconceptions about this subject. There was a
power struggle long ago where the men in power decided to split the
Universe into the visible by man and the unseen spiritual elements. This
division of the Universe philosophy and social power continues today.
Science controls the seen and the church controls the unseen.

We do not have to follow this false philosophy of the divided Universe.
The Universe has a purpose. You have a purpose. The Universe is not a
result of random events.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article ,
wrote:

I hope Sarah Palin's mind doesn't get all screwed up in Songbird
TRAITOR! McCain's White House! www.usvetdsp.com
www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com

Don't worry, she is already screwed up. She did to herself.

I am a Vietnam Veteran and I am One Million Percent Against John
McCain!!!

You and many others. I despise McCain. He sold his soul sometime back. I
don't know when this happened but it might be interesting to find out
when he turned to the dark side.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:26:28 -0700, Telamon wrote:

In article ,
Dave wrote:

On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:32:19 -0700, Telamon wrote:


The framers made very certain that there was no mention of any
mythical beings in the Constitution, being part of the Enlightenment
and all.

You are right. God is not mythical.

Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the
conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The
consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of freethinking coupled with
the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state
through lies; it was a crushing impression. Mistrust of every kind of
authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude toward the
convictions that were alive in any specific social environment - an
attitude that has never again left me, even though, later on, it has
been tempered by a better insight into the causal connections.

- Albert Einstein, Autobiographical Notes, edited by Paul Arthur
Schilpp

(They don't call it the "Enlightenment" for nothing...)

You seem to have several misconceptions about this subject. There was a
power struggle long ago where the men in power decided to split the
Universe into the visible by man and the unseen spiritual elements. This
division of the Universe philosophy and social power continues today.
Science controls the seen and the church controls the unseen.

We do not have to follow this false philosophy of the divided Universe.
The Universe has a purpose. You have a purpose. The Universe is not a
result of random events.

You are correct. It is the result of Murphy's Law.

In article ,
Dave wrote:

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:26:28 -0700, Telamon wrote:

In article ,
Dave wrote:

On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:32:19 -0700, Telamon wrote:


The framers made very certain that there was no mention of any
mythical beings in the Constitution, being part of the Enlightenment
and all.

You are right. God is not mythical.

Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the
conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The
consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of freethinking coupled with
the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state
through lies; it was a crushing impression. Mistrust of every kind of
authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude toward the
convictions that were alive in any specific social environment - an
attitude that has never again left me, even though, later on, it has
been tempered by a better insight into the causal connections.

- Albert Einstein, Autobiographical Notes, edited by Paul Arthur
Schilpp

(They don't call it the "Enlightenment" for nothing...)

You seem to have several misconceptions about this subject. There was a
power struggle long ago where the men in power decided to split the
Universe into the visible by man and the unseen spiritual elements. This
division of the Universe philosophy and social power continues today.
Science controls the seen and the church controls the unseen.

We do not have to follow this false philosophy of the divided Universe.
The Universe has a purpose. You have a purpose. The Universe is not a
result of random events.

You are correct. It is the result of Murphy's Law.

Well, you might be a result of Murphy's Law but I'm not. Good luck with
that.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Sep 7, 2:52*am, RHF wrote:
On Sep 5, 6:15*pm, Telamon
wrote:





In article , dxAce
wrote:

Brenda Ann wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
..
.
In article ,
wrote:

I hope Sarah Palin's mind doesn't get all screwed up in Songbird
TRAITOR! McCain's White House! * *www.usvetdsp.com
www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com

Don't worry, she is already screwed up. She did to herself.

I am a Vietnam Veteran and I am One Million Percent Against John
McCain!!!

You and many others. I despise McCain. He sold his soul sometime back. I
don't know when this happened but it might be interesting to find out
when he turned to the dark side.

I would have voted for McCain in 2000. He's changed since then. I've heard
it said, and I agree: "The John McCain of 2000 would not vote for the John
McCain of 2008."

- - I don't plan on voting for the Karl Marx of 2008.

- O-bla-ma is just plain stupid.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California

- D.L. Hughley on Obama :
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.L._Hu...com/8xq0eq.jpg
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- * 'He's like a tall Urkel Dude'
- http://timstvshowcase.com/fmatter3.j...-mccain-at-bet...
-
- * "a guy who who's half black"
-
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...08982572_x.htm
-
- * "he ain't a Cool Dude to me."
-
http://letterstoadyingdream.files.wo...a-is-like-a-ta...
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- * "He does look like the Dude from 'Mad' Magazine"
- http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images...amaENewman.gif
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- Barack Hussein Obama II takes a Stand on 8 Issues
- http://www.jeffhead.com/obama/obama-montage.jpg
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- Barack Hussein Obama II : The Messenger -aka- Messiah
- http://justgrits.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/obama.jpg
- http://www.croe.org/news_clip_image002_0001.jpg
- http://chadcover.com/wiki/images/c/c6/Elijah.jpg
- http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3005/...c7407c.jpg?v=0
- http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAmuhamm.jpg
- http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...m/25ec7b69.jpg
- http://talkingbooks.nypl.org/uploade...0Messenger.jpg
- -note- the Posing of Barack Hussein Obama II Image to
- 'minic' the Image of The Honorable Elijah Muhammad
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah_Muhammad
- http://www.noi.org/elijah_muhammad_history.htm
-
- my all american hero ~ RHF
- http://tmq2.files.wordpress.com/2008...hie-bunker.jpg
- *.

Barack Hussein Obama II : "The Messenger of Change"
http://justgrits.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/obama.jpg
http://www.croe.org/news_clip_image002_0001.jpg
http://chadcover.com/wiki/images/c/c6/Elijah.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3005/...c7407c.jpg?v=0
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAmuhamm.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...m/25ec7b69.jpg
http://talkingbooks.nypl.org/uploade...0Messenger.jpg
NOTE - The Posing of Barack Hussein Obama II's Image
to 'minic' the Image of The Honorable Elijah Muhammad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah_Muhammad
http://www.noi.org/elijah_muhammad_history.htm