RHF wrote:

know what "B&W" stands for today ?

Monochrome?

David Eduardo wrote:

"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message
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Even though we had a somewhat novel device in the TV, I still listened
to the radio for XERF Del Rio TX and the Randy's record shop adds.

The FCC and the SCOP would have been amused to know that XERF was in Texas.

Stans' Record Shop

728 Texas Street

Shreveport Louisiana, Baby.

Remember it like it was yesterday,

http://www.recordsbymail.com/stan_lewis.php

"Dave" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:


Evening listening, by the end of the 1955, was down to about 1/4 of the
daytime radio listening levels. While there are no national figures,
looking at a variety of local market reports supports this conclusion.

Add in the explosion of new stations in the decade after W.W. II, there
was less reason to listen to non-local stations at any time, and little
reason to listen to them at night.

That's nuts. Everybody routinely listened to whatever came in on their
radios at night, regardless of origin.

No, they did not. When Top 40 began in 1952, it helped move most radio
listening to local radio stations. TV simply killed night listening to radio
over a period of only a few years.

Light dimmers, band-splitting, coarse digital tuners, and 4 kHz ceramic
filters destroyed AM.

No, FM did, once the FCC mandated the end to simulcasting in most cities in
1967.

Don't you think it odd that you and your ilk whined for more stations back
in the '70s, and now that you have them, you whine 'cause nobody can make
any money?

Nobody whined for more stations in the 70's. In fact, the number of viable
stations in each market virtually tripled in the 70's as all the full signal
FMs became competitive. That was disruptive enough to AM and the industry.
Docket 80-90 came at the very end of the 80's, and was a result of the FCC
not people wanting more stations... it was the direct outcome of the Bonita
Springs decision redefining major changes.

"Dave" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

"BoobleStubble" wrote in message
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On Jan 4, 12:46�pm, RHF wrote:

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs
are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is
offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM
radio."

FM listening is relatively stable over the last 25 years, while AM is off
by 30%.

Satellite had a net loss of subscribers last year, with a horrible
Christmas season and low sales of new cars with pre-installs sealing that
coffin. XM Sirius has no cash and nearly a half-billion in debt due in
April.


They will declare bankruptcy and reorganize lean and mean. They are not
going anywhere but up.

They lost a collective $12 billion since launching, and are, even merged,
not profitable. With the auto industry in crisis, they may not survive or
will be sold to a media company... although few would want to take on the
operating losses.

On Jan 4, 4:52*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message

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Bob Dobbs wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
"Monty Hall" wrote in message
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These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict
and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working
to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it.
The only coverage that counts is in their home markets.

DX listeners don't count in the business model.
They never have since the early 50's.

Your only experience with what counts depends on someone with extra time
filling out a diary truthfully and having their circumstance being
actually representative of a desirable demographic rather than the
fantasy many of those people present as you do in this forum.

- - So KFI's reputation as a powerful station with
- - listeners afar doesn't help its local ratings?

- I don't see how it would.
- People listen if they like it, not because someone
- 200 miles away can hear it (which with the two
- Mexicans on, they can't)

In The USA "Free" Over-the-Air Radio Is A 'Local' Commodity

? Does someone 750 Miles away : Drive all the way
to the LA Metro Area to buy a Car from the local
Hollywood Chevy Dealer - NO !

For the AM and FM and now "HD" Radio Broadcaster
in 2000s the Signal Follows the Revenue and that
Revenue is 'Local'. Or part of a National Buy that is
distributed on a 'Local' Basis via 'Local' Radio Stations.

in the usa radio is a 'local' commodity - idtars ~ RHF

On Jan 4, 4:54*pm, flashdrive wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

After TV "arrived," meaning the two to three years after the freeze was
lifted, radio at night was barely listened to. So skywave reception (or
DXX
reception) became of little use as there were few listeners and fewer
advertisers.

That blatant lie
just goes to illustrate what an uninformed jerk you are

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

It took a lot longer than two or three years for television to penetrate..
most people couldn't begin to afford a set. I think the first TV we had was
in 1962. Mind you, not all were as poor as we were, but almost nobody I knew
when I was very young had a television. It was still several months' pay to
buy one new, and most of the "older" sets were still in use by their
original owners because they were a heavy investment.

- The first color sets were the equivalent to a years pay for many.

Maybe One Months Pay or 2~3 Months Pay at most
-but- Not a Whole Years Pay in the early 1960s.

IIRC - I paid cash for my parents 2nd Color TV for
a Christmas present; and a HeathKit Color TV Kit
to build for myself in the Mid-1960s the first year
I was out of High School. ~ RHF

On Jan 4, 5:10*pm, Dave wrote:
- - RHF wrote:
- - know what "B&W" stands for today ?
-
- Monochrome?

Dave "U" Ain't under the age of 21 Years.

On Jan 4, 2:05*pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
Count Floyd wrote:
My Grandfather bought an RCA B&W set in 1951, huge cabinet, front
closing/opening doors, I think it was around 20". *It lasted until he
wanted a color set, so bought a GE 21" round tube model in 1959 just
so he could watch "Bonanza" in living color, and of course football
games!

- Back then you could get a plastic overlay that was static attached
to
- the screen with blue up in the sky region, green down in the grass
- region, and a reddish tint where the cowboys faces usually were.
-
- --
-
- Operator Bob
- Echo Charlie 42

-aka- Genuine "Colored" TV for only $29.95 ::-}}

"David Eduardo" wrote in
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I don't see how it would. People listen if they like it, not because
someone 200 miles away can hear it (which with the two Mexicans on,
they can't)


Well, I'm 600 miles away and I don't have any trouble hearing it. I'd
actually like to hear the Mexicans for a change.

Why don't you try listening to KNBR and KGO some evenings, and listen to
them get callers from all over the Western US? You take a local scenario,
which is the situation of KFI probably within a 100 mile radius of LA, and
try to apply it across the board.

"elaich" wrote in message ...
"David Eduardo" wrote in
:

I don't see how it would. People listen if they like it, not because
someone 200 miles away can hear it (which with the two Mexicans on,
they can't)


Well, I'm 600 miles away and I don't have any trouble hearing it. I'd
actually like to hear the Mexicans for a change.

Why don't you try listening to KNBR and KGO some evenings, and listen to
them get callers from all over the Western US? You take a local scenario,
which is the situation of KFI probably within a 100 mile radius of LA, and
try to apply it across the board.

No, I checked KFI in early evening (post sunset and prior to the CST sign
offs of the Cd. Juárez and Parral stations) in locations from the Palm
Springs area to Phoenix to Prescott, AZ, in the last two weeks, and while
the Mexican stations are on, listening to KFI is unpleasant to unbearable.

The fact that KGO and KNBR get calls means nothing more than that they have
a few dozen listeners outside their groundwave coverage areas. They
certainly don't have enough to show up in the ratings anywhere else.