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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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How else am I going to listen to Dr. Bill Wattenburg but tune in KGO?


There's this newfangled device called a computer....

,-)

Seriously, KGO even has podcasts of most shows, as well as the stream.

It is my preference to listen using the radio. I already spend enough
time listening/watching news web casts.


Think of all the digital artifacts you are missing.

Heck, the web casts are bad enough with video and audio artifacts
aplenty. I sure don't want my radio sounding like that.

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Telamon
Ventura, California

elaich wrote:
"David Eduardo" wrote in
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I don't see how it would. People listen if they like it, not because
someone 200 miles away can hear it (which with the two Mexicans on,
they can't)


Well, I'm 600 miles away and I don't have any trouble hearing it. I'd
actually like to hear the Mexicans for a change.

Why don't you try listening to KNBR and KGO some evenings, and listen to
them get callers from all over the Western US? You take a local scenario,
which is the situation of KFI probably within a 100 mile radius of LA, and
try to apply it across the board.

KGO and KOA both run live and local all night. None of this George
Noory weirdness.

David Eduardo wrote:



No, I checked KFI in early evening (post sunset and prior to the CST
sign offs of the Cd. Juárez and Parral stations) in locations from the
Palm Springs area to Phoenix to Prescott, AZ, in the last two weeks, and
while the Mexican stations are on, listening to KFI is unpleasant to
unbearable.


You should be able to rotate the radio a little and null out some of
the Mexicans.


The fact that KGO and KNBR get calls means nothing more than that they
have a few dozen listeners outside their groundwave coverage areas. They
certainly don't have enough to show up in the ratings anywhere else.

Again, the ratings show how many plankton are listening.

Telamon wrote:


The fact that KGO and KNBR get calls means nothing more than that they have
a few dozen listeners outside their groundwave coverage areas. They
certainly don't have enough to show up in the ratings anywhere else.

How else am I going to listen to Dr. Bill Wattenburg but tune in KGO?

Dr. Bill's a trip. ****er's so old and clever he probably invented dirt.

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message
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Bob Dobbs wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
"Monty Hall" wrote in message
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These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict
and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working
to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it.
The only coverage that counts is in their home markets.

DX listeners don't count in the business model.
They never have since the early 50's.

Your only experience with what counts depends on someone with extra
time
filling out a diary truthfully and having their circumstance being
actually representative of a desirable demographic rather than the
fantasy many of those people present as you do in this forum.

So KFI's reputation as a powerful station with listeners afar doesn't
help its local ratings?

I don't see how it would. People listen if they like it, not because
someone 200 miles away can hear it (which with the two Mexicans on, they
can't)

One would think that would be less of an issue as one went further away
from Mexico.

KFI is in LA, and the two major interferers in the mountain west are in
northern and southern Chihuahua state; as you move away from LA, most
locations in the US will be at about the same distance from Chihuahua but
farther and farther from LA. And by the time you get to the midwest (beyond
the KFI protected night signal reach anyway) there is the Tulancingo
station, 50 kw, to contend with, as well as Cuba, Venezuela and Colombia.

People like adopting winners.

Depending on the evening I hear a spanish speaking station under KFI and
I am only 78 miles north of KFI.

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Telamon
Ventura, California

David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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How else am I going to listen to Dr. Bill Wattenburg but tune in KGO?


There's this newfangled device called a computer....

,-)

Seriously, KGO even has podcasts of most shows, as well as the stream.

Going from a shirt-pocket radio to a PC connected to two grids is easier
how?

Bob Campbell wrote:
"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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The fact that KGO and KNBR get calls means nothing more than that they
have a few dozen listeners outside their groundwave coverage areas.
They certainly don't have enough to show up in the ratings anywhere else.

Both also stream their broadcasts on the net, as do most stations these
days. KGO is even in iTunes. Callers can come from anywhere in the
world.


Yes, but they don't show up in the Arbitrary ratings.

"Dave" wrote in message
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Both also stream their broadcasts on the net, as do most stations these
days. KGO is even in iTunes. Callers can come from anywhere in the
world.


Yes, but they don't show up in the Arbitrary ratings.


Exactly. Callers from outside of their primary listening area are
meaningless. Its all about local listeners as far as local advertisers are
concerned. Mike's muffler shop in San Francisco doesn't care that I am
listening via the web on the east coast, since I am not going to drive my
car 3000 miles to get a new muffler.

"Bob Campbell" wrote in news:TZqdnY878-
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Callers can come from anywhere in the
world.


But they don't. They are usually up and down the West Coast, some in
Nevada, and all listening over the air, because they say they are.

This conversation is fruitless. Eduardo is as firmly set in his opinion as
we are, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, the writing is on the
wall for IBOC, and he knows it if he won't admit it. They are being turned
off all over the country, as the stations are realizing they were sold a
pig in a poke, and nobody is listening. It would only attract the techie
group anyway, and they will rush to streaming radio in their cars as soon
as it's available. The avarage person who turns on their car radio for
traffic, or their kitchen radio for news and sports knows they don't need
HD to hear it. That was the flaw in the system from the very beginning. The
crowd they might have attracted don't listen to radio at all.

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"Bob Campbell" wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message
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Both also stream their broadcasts on the net, as do most stations these
days. KGO is even in iTunes. Callers can come from anywhere in the
world.


Yes, but they don't show up in the Arbitrary ratings.


Exactly. Callers from outside of their primary listening area are
meaningless. Its all about local listeners as far as local advertisers are
concerned. Mike's muffler shop in San Francisco doesn't care that I am
listening via the web on the east coast, since I am not going to drive my
car 3000 miles to get a new muffler.

The problem with this argument is a lot of advertising is for buying
products that can be purchased anywhere not just downtown SF so the
bigger the audience the more product can be sold over the Internet,
using a 800 phone number, or a local store that carries the product.

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Telamon
Ventura, California