dxAce wrote:


Myself, I've never liked the light emitted by a fluorescent bulb. Give me good old
incandescents any day.

You say "the light" like there's only one kind.

I quit using incandescents over 20 years ago, before CFLs. I'd get
the LOA under cabinet 15 Watters at Homer's and put them everywhere.
Left a lot of them on 24/7. When CFLs started happening I was a kid in
a candy shop.

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:14:44 -0800, Telamon wrote:

In article ,
John Barnard wrote:

Telamon wrote:
In article
,
Wingdingaling6 wrote:

No they are not the same. The old bulbs operated at 60 Hz and the new
smaller bulbs operate in the kilohertz range. The other problem is
these smaller bulbs are used closer to people increasing the UV
damage.

And just how much UV do you think is actually escaping from the bulb?
You'd get way more UV from being outside on a clear day than from being
close to a CFL. If they can make CFLs to be used in a photographic lab
you know the UV light actually being emitted has to be extremely low.

The mercury plasma in the bulb emits only UV light. The phosphors on the
inside of the bulb emit visible light when struck by the UV light waves.
This is why florescent lights are biased biased toward the blue.

The light falls off as an inverse square of the distance so the smaller
bulbs closer to you give you UV light at a higher rate.

UV is not a problem with fluorescents. True, the plasma generates UV. But
UV won't go thru ordinary glass. The glass used in those fluorescent
tubes that are used as day-glo lamps is a very special mix. It is usually
produced in an ordinary glass kiln at the end of a several-year run.
After making the special batch the kiln is relined.

Richard Feynmann was the only person to see the first atomic bomb blast
without using goggles. He did it by sitting in a pickup, looking thru the
windscreen, because he knew ordinary glass doesn't conduct UV. Source:
"Surely you're joking, Mr. Feynmann!", pgs.116-117.

That's also why you can't get a suntan if you're in a car with the
windows rolled up.

I probably messed up the attributions above my response. Whatever.

dxAce wrote:

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
John Barnard wrote:

Telamon wrote:

Myself, I've never liked the light emitted by a fluorescent bulb. Give me good old
incandescents any day.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


I'm with Ace and Telamon on this. i still think this is a bunch
of crap. if you read the story or watched the video, you see what
can happen. i may be 9th generation American, but, i still have that
fair skin germen look. i love the sun, but i have to be careful,
lots of skin cancer in the family. i have no idea who the real
experts are on this. and, i will not trust the bulb industry's.
if i remember, walmart started the big push on this. and, as with
Ace, i got a bunch of the incans stored up. maybe i'll take a
look at the led lights. got an LED flashlight, and it works real
good.

Drifter...

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:14:41 UTC, Roland Latour
wrote:

Richard Feynmann was the only person to see the first atomic bomb blast
without using goggles. He did it by sitting in a pickup, looking thru the
windscreen, because he knew ordinary glass doesn't conduct UV. Source:
"Surely you're joking, Mr. Feynmann!", pgs.116-117.

That's also why you can't get a suntan if you're in a car with the
windows rolled up.

My wife gets sunburned from sunlight coming through the side glass on
her arm. I also get the "farmer tan" if I have my arm on the armrest,
with the windows closed and the a/c going, if the sun is streaming in
throught the window. What are you talking about?
--
"What do you mean there's no movie?"

In article , dave
wrote:

Telamon wrote:


No they are not the same. The old bulbs operated at 60 Hz and the new
smaller bulbs operate in the kilohertz range. The other problem is these
smaller bulbs are used closer to people increasing the UV damage.

There is no UV damage to increase. You get more UV from a few minutes
in the sun than you'd get from a year of sitting near a lamp.

Edison base light fixtures are getting phased out; so hoarding bulbs is
silly.

Cheap [!] OLED screw-in bulb replacements can't get here soon enough...

....and "smart cars", dammit!

Where's my smart car!!

-j

[I want to read a book under an OLED while "platooning" during rush
hour!]

dave wrote:

dxAce wrote:


Myself, I've never liked the light emitted by a fluorescent bulb. Give me good old
incandescents any day.

You say "the light" like there's only one kind.

I quit using incandescents over 20 years ago, before CFLs. I'd get
the LOA under cabinet 15 Watters at Homer's and put them everywhere.
Left a lot of them on 24/7. When CFLs started happening I was a kid in
a candy shop.

'Cause you're a dumbass retard, just like I figured long ago, boy!

dave wrote:

Telamon wrote:


No they are not the same. The old bulbs operated at 60 Hz and the new
smaller bulbs operate in the kilohertz range. The other problem is these
smaller bulbs are used closer to people increasing the UV damage.

There is no UV damage to increase. You get more UV from a few minutes
in the sun than you'd get from a year of sitting near a lamp.

Edison base light fixtures are getting phased out; so hoarding bulbs is
silly.

Rickmers, you're silly.

On Jan 26, 5:10*pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"Wingdingaling6" wrote in message

...
On Jan 26, 11:21 am, Drifter wrote:

http://www.globaltv.com/globaltv/glo...01.04.topStory...

http://www.globaltv.com/globaltv/glo...01.04.segment0...

And you thought it only put crap in your radio. turns out
these un-researched lights can kill you. 16X9 is a 20X20
north of us. you might want to read the story and watch
the videos. and, keep your kids away from them. once again,
Big Gov goes with Big Biz, and screw the people.

Drifter...

CFL's are nothing more than screw-in fluroescent lamps loke the types
we've had since the 1930's. Remember that fluroescent tube lighting
over your head in grade school and at Woolworths store when you were a
kid? It's exactly the same thing in a CFL except the tube is a curly-
cue shape instead of a long tube. CFL's ane not dangerous same
technology we've had since the late 1930's.

Please don't bother people with facts.

Over here, we use almost nothing BUT CFL's (use of incandescent lamps would
increase our already exhorbitant power bill at least 2x), and nobody
exhibits those symptoms. Anyone ever hear of psychosomatic symptomology?

- In point of fact, the CFL's that we buy (not necessarily
- the ones you might buy at Target) are far closer to
- natural sunlight than are incandescents.

BAD,

That's right just look for the Ones that say "DayLight"
and/or "6500K" or 'Full Spectrum'. -aka- 'cool natural
light' made-by or brand names :GE, Sylvania,
Lights-of-America etc.

My favorites CFLs are the Light-of-America Energy
Saving Twister 7 Year Bulbs "SunLight" 135W [2000
Lumens] Replacements - Use Only 30W of Energy
give more light than a 100W Incandesent Bulb and
use less engergy that's a Win+Win ) ~ RHF
-fwiw- Light-of-America Model # 2830 S-L
http://www.esplighting.com/2830-s.html
http://www.budgetlighting.com/store/...&ppinc=search2

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
dave wrote:

Telamon wrote:

No they are not the same. The old bulbs operated at 60 Hz and the new
smaller bulbs operate in the kilohertz range. The other problem is these
smaller bulbs are used closer to people increasing the UV damage.

There is no UV damage to increase. You get more UV from a few minutes
in the sun than you'd get from a year of sitting near a lamp.

That is not true according to measurements made by the British
government.

Edison base light fixtures are getting phased out; so hoarding bulbs is
silly.

No they are not. They are making the new florescence bulbs with the old
style base.

Read page 14, Sparky.

http://www.energy.ca.gov/appliances/...rms_Part-A.pdf

Bob Dobbs wrote:
Bob Dobbs wrote:
dave wrote:
Edison base light fixtures are getting phased out; so hoarding bulbs is
silly.
First I've heard of that, all my CFLs use Edison bases.

Per someone's posting;
I informed myself about the GU-24 interface proposals
and now stand corrected.
I imagine there will be adapters available for some time to come
such that I don't have to scrap my supply of edison base CFLs.
I no longer have any incandescent environmental lighting, and the only
incandescent sources at all is the display on the Kenwood TS-2000.

The lamps in my refrigerator and in my oven are still Medium Screw base
incandescents. That and the Festivus lights...