On Feb 17, 12:19 am, PocketRadio wrote:
On Feb 16, 10:05 am, wrote:

Whatever happened to low power hd radios that were just on the horizon
according to ibiquity? Every year we hear the same thing and as usual
nothing materializes. How long will this nonsense continue?

At least when FM came on the scene there were plenty of FM radios to
choose from - so that old and tired comparison from ibquity is
meaningless.

What’s up with that Mr. "Radio Pioneer" Struble?

Eduardo - Any comment?

Jim - haven't heard from you in a while, hope everything is ok?

Yea - I'm fine. Thanks for asking.

Looks like ibiquity is struggling for some good news so they're going
through the archives dredging up old stuff to try and keep hd alive.
HD inclusion in Jaguar won’t even move the “who cares” dial.

PocketRadio wrote in news:94c9b37f-b748-49a9-ab56-
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Another Google Grouper hits the killfile.

**** you...

And another.

On Feb 17, 1:39�am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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At least when FM came on the scene there were plenty of FM radios to
choose from - so that old and tired comparison from ibquity is
meaningless.

FM began prior to W.W. II, and then changed from 47 MHz to the current band
after the War. There were no radios available.

By 1950, there were over 1000 FM stations licensed (source, Broadcasting
Yearbook 1950) yet by 1960 there were only around 650 (idem, '60 edition)..
There were hardly any radios available, and the ones that were out there
cost many times that of a common AM radio. That was 20 years after FM
stations began to broadcast.

In 1977, FM surpassed AM in audience. Today, in many markets, AM has less
than 10% of all listening.

Whether HD will work during a recession is anybody's guess. And whether AM
is even worth trying is on many owner's minds. But expecting a change in a
couple of years is absurd.

Satellite is in Year 9 now, and still loses nearly $1 billion a year and may
not survive.

You know damn well that conversions to HD have stalled, and that
broadcasters will not put anymore resources in HD, especially during
the recession. Forget the 10db FM-HD power increase. FM-HD and AM-HD
is being turned off in D.C., and probably elsewhere. Stations will get
tired of the excessive HVAC bills and fees to iBiquity, with no
possible ROI, except for iBiquity.

On Feb 17, 9:31�am, wrote:
On Feb 17, 1:39 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:





wrote in message

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At least when FM came on the scene there were plenty of FM radios to
choose from - so that old and tired comparison from ibquity is
meaningless.

FM began prior to W.W. II, and then changed from 47 MHz to the current band
after the War. There were no radios available.

By 1950, there were over 1000 FM stations licensed (source, Broadcasting
Yearbook 1950) yet by 1960 there were only around 650 (idem, '60 edition).
There were hardly any radios available, and the ones that were out there
cost many times that of a common AM radio. That was 20 years after FM
stations began to broadcast.

In 1977, FM surpassed AM in audience. Today, in many markets, AM has less
than 10% of all listening.

Whether HD will work during a recession is anybody's guess. And whether AM
is even worth trying is on many owner's minds. But expecting a change in a
couple of years is absurd.

Satellite is in Year 9 now, and still loses nearly $1 billion a year and may
not survive.

Eduardo - You're a bit mistaken, at least as far as ibiquity is
concerned. �If I recall (and I do), Struble boldly stated several
years back that his hd radio would become the "norm" in a few short
years. �Go back through recent radio history and check it for
yourself.

In case you haven't noticed - a few short years have come and gone -
good buddy.

He also stated that when you purchase a radio you would automatically
assume you purchased an hd "digital" radio. �Didn't happen - not even
close.

Once again you look at the world in your typical distorted way but
it's always fun talking to you anyway. �You do need to get another
profession thought.- Hide quoted text -

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The major retailers are no longer stocking HD radio in-store, and RS
have given up on HD altogether. Yea, Struble made that announcement
years ago:

"A consortium of broadcasters, including Clear Channel, CBS Radio
(CBS), and Cox Radio (CXR), organized the HD Digital Radio Alliance to
coordinate marketing efforts. In five to seven years, says Struble,
you won't walk into an electronics store and ask to buy an HD Radio.
Simply ask for a radio, he says, and you'll get one with HD
capabilities already built in."

http://www.businessweek.com/technolo...525_027388.htm

Oh realy, Struble?

On Feb 17, 9:46�am, elaich wrote:
PocketRadio wrote in news:94c9b37f-b748-49a9-ab56-
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Another Google Grouper hits the killfile.

**** you...

And another.

Bend over!

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:39:36 -0800, David Eduardo wrote:




FM began prior to W.W. II, and then changed from 47 MHz to the current
band after the War. There were no radios available.

What do you mean "There were no radios available"? As I understand,
there were almost a million radios made for the old 47 Mc FM band. Every
major manufacturer made radios for the postwar 100 Mc band.

FM did stumble after it's introduction, but it's NOT because the radios
were unavailable.


By 1950, there were over 1000 FM stations licensed (source, Broadcasting
Yearbook 1950) yet by 1960 there were only around 650 (idem, '60
edition). There were hardly any radios available, and the ones that were
out there cost many times that of a common AM radio. That was 20 years
after FM stations began to broadcast.


I have the impression that 50s AM-FM tabletop radios cost about double
what AM tabletops did. As an example, here's a page scanned from the
1955 Spiegel catalog:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wishboo...7594263507076/

That doesn't cost many times more than the cheapest radio on the page,
but it was an expensive way to listen to simulcasts and second tier
programming.



In 1977, FM surpassed AM in audience. Today, in many markets, AM has
less than 10% of all listening.

Whether HD will work during a recession is anybody's guess. And whether
AM is even worth trying is on many owner's minds. But expecting a change
in a couple of years is absurd.

Is the recession the problem? Or is the problem that HD radio really
doesn't add much value to radio regardless of the state of the economy?



Satellite is in Year 9 now, and still loses nearly $1 billion a year and
may not survive.

Yeah, it's tough to get the cheap radio consumers to pay enough for
radio, even when it's digital.

Frank Dresser

On Feb 17, 2:49*pm, Frank wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:39:36 -0800, David Eduardo wrote:

FM began prior to W.W. II, and then changed from 47 MHz to the current
band after the War. There were no radios available.

What do you mean "There were no radios available"? *As I understand,
there were almost a million radios made for the old 47 Mc FM band. *Every
major manufacturer made radios for the postwar 100 Mc band.

FM did stumble after it's introduction, but it's NOT because the radios
were unavailable.



By 1950, there were over 1000 FM stations licensed (source, Broadcasting
Yearbook 1950) yet by 1960 there were only around 650 (idem, '60
edition). There were hardly any radios available, and the ones that were
out there cost many times that of a common AM radio. That was 20 years
after FM stations began to broadcast.

I have the impression that 50s AM-FM tabletop radios cost about double
what AM tabletops did. *As an example, here's a page scanned from the
1955 Spiegel catalog:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wishboo...72157594263507...

That doesn't cost many times more than the cheapest radio on the page,
but it was an expensive way to listen to simulcasts and second tier
programming.



In 1977, FM surpassed AM in audience. Today, in many markets, AM has
less than 10% of all listening.

Whether HD will work during a recession is anybody's guess. And whether
AM is even worth trying is on many owner's minds. But expecting a change
in a couple of years is absurd.

Is the recession the problem? *Or is the problem that HD radio really
doesn't add much value to radio regardless of the state of the economy?



Satellite is in Year 9 now, and still loses nearly $1 billion a year and
may not survive.

Yeah, it's tough to get the cheap radio consumers to pay enough for
radio, even when it's digital.

Frank Dresser

In 1960 we didn't have computers, the Internet, cell phones ipods CD's
or MP3's. cable tv or satradio
And consumers had a few media choices. Today we suffer from media
glut, over choice and time scarcity.
Broadcasters were at a loss with FM, I'm told they use to call it free
music. FM was DOA until rock listeners discovered FM as an alternative
source for music. Owners and programmers stopped following the
playlist, started taking chances and thinking out of the box.

One could draw some similarities between FM in 1960 & HD today were HD
broadcasters lack programming direction.
As mentioned above today we suffer from media glut & over choice. I'm
afraid cloned jukeboxes or syndicated repeaters won't be enough to
launch HD above start up status and if broadcasters aren't careful
following this same strategy may very well kill AM & FM radio.

Plus more media/entertainment choices are on the horizon.
Radio competes for Time spent listening with computers, the Internet,
cell phones ipods CD's or MP3's. cable tv, satradio & webradio.

"Frank" wrote in message
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I have the impression that 50s AM-FM tabletop radios cost about double
what AM tabletops did. As an example, here's a page scanned from the
1955 Spiegel catalog:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wishboo...7594263507076/

That doesn't cost many times more than the cheapest radio on the page,
but it was an expensive way to listen to simulcasts and second tier
programming.



I note that the only "AM/FM" radio shown on that page is not what the
description indicates. It is a Granco FM only radio in the actual picture.

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On Feb 17, 1:39 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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Satellite is in Year 9 now, and still loses nearly $1 billion a year and
may
not survive.

Eduardo - You're a bit mistaken, at least as far as ibiquity is
concerned. If I recall (and I do), Struble boldly stated several
years back that his hd radio would become the "norm" in a few short
years. Go back through recent radio history and check it for
yourself.

Nobody counted on a recession that started over a year ago. Everything
slowed down, particularly the new car market which is nearly dead. Nobody
ever expected Toyota to report a huge loss, either.

In case you haven't noticed - a few short years have come and gone -
good buddy.

No, from the time HD was launched, its not even 3 years.

also stated that when you purchase a radio you would automatically
assume you purchased an hd "digital" radio. Didn't happen - not even
close.

And in these times, it won't.

Once again you look at the world in your typical distorted way but
it's always fun talking to you anyway. You do need to get another
profession thought.

Nah, I'm fine in the one I am in...

"Commander Col. Klink" wrote in message
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On Feb 17, 1:39 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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Nationwide wireless web access is on our horizon, with consumers
receiving content via paid or free access supported by advertisers.
Every radio will be web enabled.

So get ready for URADIO created in many forms and colors. One form
will be commercial broadcasters, competing head on with a guy or gal
creating basement content. Google that!

It will take a decade just to replace half of the cars on the road in the
US... nearly 20 years to replace them all.

Similarly, there are a total of 700 million to 1 billion total radios in the
US. It will take some time for them all to be replaced. And WiMax, in this
economy, is several years away from rolling out. The infrastructure will
cost hundreds of billions, if it is built.