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On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses."

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html

LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC -
they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills!

Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo?

HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than
most.

Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night,
WABC an WJR.

Eduardo -YDF - You can't have it both ways - Either the interference
is a significant problem on AM or it's not. How come WBZ or KDKA or
WHAM or WWVA keep their hd on full time? I'm within the protective
contour of KDKA and WBZ interferes with them at night.

To stations, the issue is not the protected contour but the groundwave
useful coverage area and the dimensions of the Arbitron metro. WHAM and WWVA
have no interference in their metros or areas immediately surrounding them.
Neither do KDKA and WBZ. But apparently, WJR and WABC had problems in areas
right at the edge of the metros, and decided it was not worth keeping the HD
on at night. Since night radio listening is only a tiny part of day
listening, the decision is relatively simple.

On Mar 13, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Mar 13, 1:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses."

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html

LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC -
they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills!

Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo?

HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than
most.

Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night,
WABC an WJR.

Eduardo -YDF - You can't have it both ways - Either the interference
is a significant problem on AM or it's not. How come WBZ or KDKA or
WHAM or WWVA keep their hd on full time? I'm within the protective
contour of KDKA and WBZ interferes with them at night.

To stations, the issue is not the protected contour but the groundwave
useful coverage area and the dimensions of the Arbitron metro. WHAM and WWVA
have no interference in their metros or areas immediately surrounding them.
Neither do KDKA and WBZ. But apparently, WJR and WABC had problems in areas
right at the edge of the metros, and decided it was not worth keeping the HD
on at night. Since night radio listening is only a tiny part of day
listening, the decision is relatively simple.

Eduardo - You really don't know what your talking about. WBZ is a
times as strong or stronger than KDKA's groundwave in their local
area. This is not debatable. WBZ hash can be heard under KDKA most
nights. Why either of them is transmitting it is a mystery to me.
The only thing I can figure is they've bought into the idiotic notion
that people will eventually come if they keep pushing it. This was a
decision based on wishful marketing and foolish station owner/
operators not interference - of which there is plenty.

On Mar 13, 12:32 pm, wrote:
On Mar 13, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:



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On Mar 13, 1:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses."

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html

LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC -
they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills!

Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo?

HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than
most.

Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night,
WABC an WJR.

Eduardo -YDF - You can't have it both ways - Either the interference
is a significant problem on AM or it's not. How come WBZ or KDKA or
WHAM or WWVA keep their hd on full time? I'm within the protective
contour of KDKA and WBZ interferes with them at night.

To stations, the issue is not the protected contour but the groundwave
useful coverage area and the dimensions of the Arbitron metro. WHAM and WWVA
have no interference in their metros or areas immediately surrounding them.
Neither do KDKA and WBZ. But apparently, WJR and WABC had problems in areas
right at the edge of the metros, and decided it was not worth keeping the HD
on at night. Since night radio listening is only a tiny part of day
listening, the decision is relatively simple.

Eduardo - You really don't know what your talking about. WBZ is a
times as strong or stronger than KDKA's groundwave in their local
area. This is not debatable. WBZ hash can be heard under KDKA most
nights. Why either of them is transmitting it is a mystery to me.
The only thing I can figure is they've bought into the idiotic notion
that people will eventually come if they keep pushing it. This was a
decision based on wishful marketing and foolish station owner/
operators not interference - of which there is plenty.

Eduardo - IBOC / HD radio is all about recklessly trying to making
money with no regard for any other issue, be that interference,
consumer wants or needs, smaller broadcaster coverage areas, or
anything else you can think of.

You mistakenly think there was actual thought that goes into who
transmits it and who doesn't - as if there is some "big-picture"
plan. There is not. Its all about economics and the possibility of
making big $$. Greed and nothing else.

A wiser Goverment would have never allowed it. But that we no longer
have.

On Mar 13, 12:47 pm, wrote:
On Mar 13, 12:32 pm, wrote:



On Mar 13, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

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On Mar 13, 1:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses."

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html

LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC -
they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills!

Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo?

HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than
most.

Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night,
WABC an WJR.

Eduardo -YDF - You can't have it both ways - Either the interference
is a significant problem on AM or it's not. How come WBZ or KDKA or
WHAM or WWVA keep their hd on full time? I'm within the protective
contour of KDKA and WBZ interferes with them at night.

To stations, the issue is not the protected contour but the groundwave
useful coverage area and the dimensions of the Arbitron metro. WHAM and WWVA
have no interference in their metros or areas immediately surrounding them.
Neither do KDKA and WBZ. But apparently, WJR and WABC had problems in areas
right at the edge of the metros, and decided it was not worth keeping the HD
on at night. Since night radio listening is only a tiny part of day
listening, the decision is relatively simple.

Eduardo - You really don't know what your talking about. WBZ is a
times as strong or stronger than KDKA's groundwave in their local
area. This is not debatable. WBZ hash can be heard under KDKA most
nights. Why either of them is transmitting it is a mystery to me.
The only thing I can figure is they've bought into the idiotic notion
that people will eventually come if they keep pushing it. This was a
decision based on wishful marketing and foolish station owner/
operators not interference - of which there is plenty.

Eduardo - IBOC / HD radio is all about recklessly trying to making
money with no regard for any other issue, be that interference,
consumer wants or needs, smaller broadcaster coverage areas, or
anything else you can think of.

You mistakenly think there was actual thought that goes into who
transmits it and who doesn't - as if there is some "big-picture"
plan. There is not. Its all about economics and the possibility of
making big $$. Greed and nothing else.

A wiser Goverment would have never allowed it. But that we no longer
have.

With all your statistics and facts you are amazingly ignorant of
reality and I say that with all due respect.
Put the trade magazines down and think for yourself - if you can still
do that.

On Mar 13, 12:52 pm, wrote:
On Mar 13, 12:47 pm, wrote:



On Mar 13, 12:32 pm, wrote:

On Mar 13, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

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On Mar 13, 1:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses."

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html

LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC -
they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills!

Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo?

HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than
most.

Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night,
WABC an WJR.

Eduardo -YDF - You can't have it both ways - Either the interference
is a significant problem on AM or it's not. How come WBZ or KDKA or
WHAM or WWVA keep their hd on full time? I'm within the protective
contour of KDKA and WBZ interferes with them at night.

To stations, the issue is not the protected contour but the groundwave
useful coverage area and the dimensions of the Arbitron metro. WHAM and WWVA
have no interference in their metros or areas immediately surrounding them.
Neither do KDKA and WBZ. But apparently, WJR and WABC had problems in areas
right at the edge of the metros, and decided it was not worth keeping the HD
on at night. Since night radio listening is only a tiny part of day
listening, the decision is relatively simple.

Eduardo - You really don't know what your talking about. WBZ is a
times as strong or stronger than KDKA's groundwave in their local
area. This is not debatable. WBZ hash can be heard under KDKA most
nights. Why either of them is transmitting it is a mystery to me.
The only thing I can figure is they've bought into the idiotic notion
that people will eventually come if they keep pushing it. This was a
decision based on wishful marketing and foolish station owner/
operators not interference - of which there is plenty.

Eduardo - IBOC / HD radio is all about recklessly trying to making
money with no regard for any other issue, be that interference,
consumer wants or needs, smaller broadcaster coverage areas, or
anything else you can think of.

You mistakenly think there was actual thought that goes into who
transmits it and who doesn't - as if there is some "big-picture"
plan. There is not. Its all about economics and the possibility of
making big $$. Greed and nothing else.

A wiser Goverment would have never allowed it. But that we no longer
have.

With all your statistics and facts you are amazingly ignorant of
reality and I say that with all due respect.
Put the trade magazines down and think for yourself - if you can still
do that.

Eduardo - You're the kind of person that would be absolutely be lost
if you couldn't stand behind a bunch of statistical information that
you yourself didn't even compile but you read it somewhere. Then, you
show up and spew this crap and think yourself smart and informed.

You may be impressing yourself but you don't impress me.

On Mar 13, 1:42�am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses."

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html

LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC -
they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills!

Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo?

HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most..

Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night,
WABC an WJR.

False - 90% of IBOC power is dumped.

On Mar 13, 1:42*am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses."

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html

LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC -
they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills!

Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo?

HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most..

Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night,
WABC an WJR.


"Upping HD Radio signal strengths"

"The short math given what we know today is that it will cost roughly
double on the transmission end to increase HD Radio FM power tenfold.
There are likely to be additional costs for cooling and air handling
as well, in order to dissipate the excess energy required to get out
another 10 dB in HD Radio signal. And, for some higher powered
stations, existing HD Radio configurations may not be able to handle
the power load, which could add to the cost and complexity of
increasing HD Radio beyond its current power level... Also worth
considering is existing transmitter combiner technology and whether or
not it can support the added demands of increasing HD Radio broadcasts
another 10 dB. If not, then it’s very likely that stations at the
higher power levels will need to factor in a new antenna system that
can support HD Radio, rather than piggyback onto their existing FM
antenna system. At the higher powers, especially, an immediate 10 dB
increase in HD Radio signal may be cost prohibitive... This will
typically mean the addition of another similarly rated transmitter
(using a combining technique) or the purchase of a new transmitter of
roughly twice today’s power level."

http://tinyurl.com/cfbrtq

On Mar 13, 12:47�pm, wrote:
On Mar 13, 12:32 pm, wrote:





On Mar 13, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

wrote in message

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On Mar 13, 1:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses."

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html

LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC -
they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills!

Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo?

HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than
most.

Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night,
WABC an WJR.

Eduardo -YDF - You can't have it both ways - Either the interference
is a significant problem on AM or it's not. �How come WBZ or KDKA or
WHAM or WWVA keep their hd on full time? �I'm within the protective
contour of KDKA and WBZ interferes with them at night.

To stations, the issue is not the protected contour but the groundwave
useful coverage area and the dimensions of the Arbitron metro. WHAM and WWVA
have no interference in their metros or areas immediately surrounding them.
Neither do KDKA and WBZ. But apparently, WJR and WABC had problems in areas
right at the edge of the metros, and decided it was not worth keeping the HD
on at night. Since night radio listening is only a tiny part of day
listening, the decision is relatively simple.

Eduardo - You really don't know what your talking about. �WBZ is a
times as strong or stronger than KDKA's groundwave in their local
area. �This is not debatable. �WBZ hash can be heard under KDKA most
nights. �Why either of them is transmitting it is a mystery to me.
The only thing I can figure is they've bought into the idiotic notion
that people will eventually come if they keep pushing it. �This was a
decision based on wishful marketing and foolish station owner/
operators not interference - of which there is plenty.

Eduardo - IBOC / HD radio is all about recklessly trying to making
money with no regard for any other issue, be that interference,
consumer wants or needs, smaller broadcaster coverage areas, or
anything else you can think of.

You mistakenly think there was actual thought that goes into who
transmits it and who doesn't - as if there is some "big-picture"
plan. �There is not. �Its all about economics and the possibility of
making big $$. �Greed and nothing else.

A wiser Goverment would have never allowed it. �But that we no longer
have.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"Independent Radio Destroyed By Design"

"Instead of honest competition, they decided they would make the
government compel all broadcasters to convert to digital on the
existing AM and FM bands. To accomplish this, the NAB plans to double
the amount of space on the dial that a station uses, thus jamming the
signals of weaker stations next to them on the dial... Grassroots
defenders of independent radio have found proof that a new airwaves
regulatory plan will jam and eventually destroy the signals of small
community, religious, and college radio stations... In addition to
eliminating competition, the true financial motive of the digital
conversion is the creation of a new largely subscription system,
called 'IBOC-DAB' (In-Band, On-Channel, Digital Audio Broadcasting)...
The real plan is to make their money from selling that remaining space
to send wireless data, not for a lively, competitive radio signal
containing music and the lively debate and news of a vibrant
Democracy."

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2002/03/8188.shtml

Yup, it's al about jamming community radio stations off the dial.

On Mar 13, 1:08�pm, wrote:
On Mar 13, 12:52 pm, wrote:





On Mar 13, 12:47 pm, wrote:

On Mar 13, 12:32 pm, wrote:

On Mar 13, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

wrote in message

...

On Mar 13, 1:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses."

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html

LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC -
they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills!

Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo?

HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than
most.

Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night,
WABC an WJR.

Eduardo -YDF - You can't have it both ways - Either the interference
is a significant problem on AM or it's not. �How come WBZ or KDKA or
WHAM or WWVA keep their hd on full time? �I'm within the protective
contour of KDKA and WBZ interferes with them at night.

To stations, the issue is not the protected contour but the groundwave
useful coverage area and the dimensions of the Arbitron metro. WHAM and WWVA
have no interference in their metros or areas immediately surrounding them.
Neither do KDKA and WBZ. But apparently, WJR and WABC had problems in areas
right at the edge of the metros, and decided it was not worth keeping the HD
on at night. Since night radio listening is only a tiny part of day
listening, the decision is relatively simple.

Eduardo - You really don't know what your talking about. �WBZ is a
times as strong or stronger than KDKA's groundwave in their local
area. �This is not debatable. �WBZ hash can be heard under KDKA most
nights. �Why either of them is transmitting it is a mystery to me.
The only thing I can figure is they've bought into the idiotic notion
that people will eventually come if they keep pushing it. �This was a
decision based on wishful marketing and foolish station owner/
operators not interference - of which there is plenty.

Eduardo - IBOC / HD radio is all about recklessly trying to making
money with no regard for any other issue, be that interference,
consumer wants or needs, smaller broadcaster coverage areas, or
anything else you can think of.

You mistakenly think there was actual thought that goes into who
transmits it and who doesn't - as if there is some "big-picture"
plan. �There is not. �Its all about economics and the possibility of
making big $$. �Greed and nothing else.

A wiser Goverment would have never allowed it. �But that we no longer
have.

With all your statistics and facts you are amazingly ignorant of
reality and I say that with all due respect.
Put the trade magazines down and think for yourself - if you can still
do that.

�Eduardo - You're the kind of person that would be absolutely be lost
if you couldn't stand behind a bunch of statistical information that
you yourself didn't even compile but you read it somewhere. Then, you
show up and spew this crap and think yourself smart and informed.

You may be impressing yourself but you don't impress me.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

or, anyone else...

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
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On Mar 13, 1:42�am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses."

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html

LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC -
they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills!

Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo?

HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most.

Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night,
WABC an WJR.

False - 90% of IBOC power is dumped.

The insertion loss depends on the combiner system. In cases of FM, using
separate antennae, there is no insertion loss. It's still a small amount,
any way you look at it. Tower obstruction lighting or AC consumption is much
more.