On Mar 17, 3:18*am, Bushcraftgregg wrote:
On Mar 16, 3:46*am, Alric Knebel wrote:



~ RHF wrote:
On Mar 14, 6:04 am, Mike wrote:
On Mar 14, 2:26 am, "~ RHF" wrote:

On Mar 13, 4:41 am, BCBlazysusan wrote:
Before I start, I hope this doesn't turn into another knock down
insult everyone thread because that isn't what I want.
I have heard about the new video by Alex Jones called "The Obama
Deception." And before everyone starts typing their insults, the video
isn't just a tear down on Obama, which I was somewhat surprised.
MUCH of it also centers around former president Bush, I'll tell you,
the one thing I like about Alex is all he does is gather the
information. He even tells people on his show and I think also on this
video to "not just believe him".....to actually take the info that he
stated and google it. When it comes to all these presidential things
and bills and laws that are signed under the cloak of darkness and no
one even really knows what their about, you can look them up yourself.
I will say this much, every time Alex has mentioned something on his
show or on his website....I always checked it out, and he hasn't
bullcrapped once.
The video is 1hr 53 minutes long but it is well worth the time for the
amount of information and knowledge and facts that can't be disputed
that you will obtain. One thing I think within twenty minutes...it is
when they are talking to the former governor Jesse Ventura. Call me
crazy but I always thought and believed in the "democrats vs.
republicans"....and so did/does everyone else in here because we all
have jumped into or started threads on Bush or Obama or Dems or
Republicans. Jesse says "it is like professional wrestling"....it is
all staged...it is an act...lol. Remember back right before the
election and a few jumped on me when I said I believed that "if voting
'truly' made a difference, the government would outlaw it." Well, I
thought I was right in saying that and I was.
It isn't about Democrats and Republicans or Bush/Clinton or even
Obama, that is what they want everyone to think. Please try to not
respond if you haven't watched it and just start bickering. I'd really
like to know what SC/Telamon/RHF/Brenda Ann/Ace/BDK even Mike if he
can be halfway decent (only if you watched it) and everyone else in
here says but you can't really respond to a post about a video if you
never watched it. Trust me when I say it isn't just a tear down on
Obama himself. The majority of us in here are Americans (I think) and
even I have been guilty of ripping on Obama and the democrats, I will
look at it all a lot different from now on. Out of all us Americans in
here I think Brenda Ann may be the smartest one for not actually
living in the states. ;-) It's going to get bad guys, really bad,
worse than anything most of us have experienced. If I didn't name your
name I apologize, I can't remember everyones off the top of my head
but I am really curious as to what you all think AFTER you watch the
video. It should make for some good OT discussion.:-) I wonder if it
can be civil and if not who is going to be the one that starts the
crap. Just go to youtube or google video and type in "Obama
Deception"...on youtube it comes in twelve parts and to me it was
easier just to watch them all together in one shot on google video..
Looking forward to the responses.
Fear of ObamaNomics Destroyed to Valve of
100 Million American's Individual Retirement
Savings Accounts (IRAs, 401Ks & Roths)
1 - The Democrats Hate the Individual Freedom of
American's Individual Retirement Savings Accounts.
and have planned to destroy them for years.
2 - The Democrats want to force All Americans to
rely only on Social Security and become Totally
Dependent on the US Government for Support
giving the US Government {Democrats} complete
Control over Individual Americans Financial Freedom.
Until the pending Economic Collapse of the US
Treasury due to the Foreign Capital Pull-out :
Buy and Hold bankers boxes of 100CNY Chinese
Notes or open-up a Chinese Bank Account in
China Yuan {Renminbi} not US Dollars; along
with buying and holding Gold and Silver.
Within a year maybe three at most the US Dollar
will be worth 5 to 10 Cents and the Yuan will be
on Parity {equal} with the Dollar meaning a 600%
to 700% Gain in the Yuan Bank Account Holdings.
The Gold and Silver will show roughly an Equal
Gain against the US Dollar too.
The Euro will be BUST as well as the EU.
On the good side Foreign Goods and Services
will be too costly for Americans to buy with a
100 {old} US Dollar Chinese made Celphone
costing 500 {new} US Dollars at Wal*Mart.
Over the next Decade Jobs will becoming back
to America in Factories Owned and Operated
by Foreign Investors and Made-in-American
will be the good 'cheaper' Products on the Shelf.
Many most Illegal Mexican Invaders will be
going back to Mexico as living there 'poor'
will be easier than living in the USA 'poor'.
it's a 'vision' thingee ~ RHF
.
.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
RHf,

So Obama laid his economic vision to Congress on Tuesday and the
market went up the last four days. I think you are ignoring REALITY
when you claim that every time Obama opens his mouth the market goes
lower.

mwb - praise be the obama,
Mwb - Praise Be The Obama.
MWB - PRAISE BE THE OBAMA !

The US Stock Market When Up Again Today
Due To His Great Leadership : Cause He stayed
in the White House and Said and Did Nothing ;;-}

Well, a few days ago, these right-wing turds -- and I count you among
them -- were gleefully rubbing their hands together because Obama's
stimulus package had passed, and then the stock market went into
decline. *I myself knew that the two events were in no way connected,
but you've got that little gaggle of dummies -- Valleley, Pookie, et al
-- who love making it Obama's fault. *I saw the stock market rose for a
couple of days, and I wondered what the little gaggle would honk about
after that. *Would they suddenly shut up, and in single file, goose-step
along as if nothing happened?

So, what is it? *Did his policies cause the decline, but not the rise in
stock prices? *You've got to make up your mind, because ya look kinda
foolish.

Maybe you don't have a mind to make up, so you make up connections
between events that don't exist.

--
__________________________________________________ __
Alric Knebel- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What I have been trying to say, it doesn't matter who is in there. The
former governor himself who got out of it (Jesse Ventura) said "it is
like professional wrestling, it is all staged, it's an act, they're
all friend who go out to dinner with each other." I think it has got
to the point that it can't be reversed. Greed and Money. The downfall
of the USA.:-(

Ventura was a failed governor who did not do anything worthwhile in
office. He is a hypocrite as far as I'm concerned.

Charlie wrote:
On Mar 16, 3:32 pm, Alric Knebel wrote:
Charlie wrote:

Alric, there is plenty enough of blame to go around everywhere. My
point is I guess we're still in dire times and will be for a few more
years. It's going to take a long time before we are economically safe
as a country. For Obama to say we're making progress is kind of
disingenuous to me. We're not....that's not to say we can't sooner
than what was originally predicted. I hope Obama succeeds with his
middle of the road policies but fails in those that over tax us and
create more government in our lives....we certainly don't need any
more government in our lives. Don't always be so quick to think
conservatives want Obama to fail, I look at it as wanting his
socialist policies to fail and not those that both parties come
together for the betterment of the American people....maybe that's a
pie in the sky attitude but I have kids that are married and I
certainly want our economy to be strong for them no matter who is in
power.
Speaking of disingenuous, I think it's disingenuous to blame Obama for a
mess he was left, then blame the continuing decline of the stock market
on his policies. I just saw that the stock market rose five days in a
row. Now, I know that's all about something else, and I'm going to
watch Fox News to see how they're going to spin it to downplay the
events. I don't believe it means much, but just a few days ago, your
side -- and you definitely have a side -- were putting the tombstone on
Obama's political grave.

As for this other conservative cliches about too much government in your
life, what would Obama be doing that would put more government in your
life? Other people are already too much in your life, in that you have
insurance companies taking your money, then still further demanding a
co-pay while dictating what they will and will not cover. Plus
employers, law enforcement, and so on. It's disingenuous of you to fall
back on such a thin argument, that you object to Obama's "socialism" --
a favored right-wing trigger word (which is miraculously losing it's
powerr) -- on the grounds that it'll put too much government in your
life. How?
--
__________________________________________________ __
Alric Knebel

Obama is the man in office now so the buck stops with him. You sadly
are brainwashed by the leftist rhetoric that you absorb on a daily
basis. That's my opinion and I could be wrong but it's how I view
it. Many on the left embrace that ideology because of being
brainwashed that only liberals have compassion. How sad.

So the stock market is rising. So Obama is doing a great job? Is that
what you're saying? (Notice I didn't waste my time trying to explain it
better. I kept it very simple.)

--
__________________________________________________ __
Alric Knebel

Charlie wrote:

Alric Knebel

Obama is the man in office now so the buck stops with him. You sadly
are brainwashed by the leftist rhetoric that you absorb on a daily
basis. That's my opinion and I could be wrong but it's how I view
it. Many on the left embrace that ideology because of being
brainwashed that only liberals have compassion. How sad.

Quick, name 5 liberals.

On Mar 17, 10:11*am, Charlie wrote:
On Mar 17, 3:18*am, Bushcraftgregg wrote:





On Mar 16, 3:46*am, Alric Knebel wrote:

~ RHF wrote:
On Mar 14, 6:04 am, Mike wrote:
On Mar 14, 2:26 am, "~ RHF" wrote:

On Mar 13, 4:41 am, BCBlazysusan wrote:
Before I start, I hope this doesn't turn into another knock down
insult everyone thread because that isn't what I want.
I have heard about the new video by Alex Jones called "The Obama
Deception." And before everyone starts typing their insults, the video
isn't just a tear down on Obama, which I was somewhat surprised.
MUCH of it also centers around former president Bush, I'll tell you,
the one thing I like about Alex is all he does is gather the
information. He even tells people on his show and I think also on this
video to "not just believe him".....to actually take the info that he
stated and google it. When it comes to all these presidential things
and bills and laws that are signed under the cloak of darkness and no
one even really knows what their about, you can look them up yourself.
I will say this much, every time Alex has mentioned something on his
show or on his website....I always checked it out, and he hasn't
bullcrapped once.
The video is 1hr 53 minutes long but it is well worth the time for the
amount of information and knowledge and facts that can't be disputed
that you will obtain. One thing I think within twenty minutes...it is
when they are talking to the former governor Jesse Ventura. Call me
crazy but I always thought and believed in the "democrats vs.
republicans"....and so did/does everyone else in here because we all
have jumped into or started threads on Bush or Obama or Dems or
Republicans. Jesse says "it is like professional wrestling"....it is
all staged...it is an act...lol. Remember back right before the
election and a few jumped on me when I said I believed that "if voting
'truly' made a difference, the government would outlaw it." Well, I
thought I was right in saying that and I was.
It isn't about Democrats and Republicans or Bush/Clinton or even
Obama, that is what they want everyone to think. Please try to not
respond if you haven't watched it and just start bickering. I'd really
like to know what SC/Telamon/RHF/Brenda Ann/Ace/BDK even Mike if he
can be halfway decent (only if you watched it) and everyone else in
here says but you can't really respond to a post about a video if you
never watched it. Trust me when I say it isn't just a tear down on
Obama himself. The majority of us in here are Americans (I think) and
even I have been guilty of ripping on Obama and the democrats, I will
look at it all a lot different from now on. Out of all us Americans in
here I think Brenda Ann may be the smartest one for not actually
living in the states. ;-) It's going to get bad guys, really bad,
worse than anything most of us have experienced. If I didn't name your
name I apologize, I can't remember everyones off the top of my head
but I am really curious as to what you all think AFTER you watch the
video. It should make for some good OT discussion.:-) I wonder if it
can be civil and if not who is going to be the one that starts the
crap. Just go to youtube or google video and type in "Obama
Deception"...on youtube it comes in twelve parts and to me it was
easier just to watch them all together in one shot on google video.
Looking forward to the responses.
Fear of ObamaNomics Destroyed to Valve of
100 Million American's Individual Retirement
Savings Accounts (IRAs, 401Ks & Roths)
1 - The Democrats Hate the Individual Freedom of
American's Individual Retirement Savings Accounts.
and have planned to destroy them for years.
2 - The Democrats want to force All Americans to
rely only on Social Security and become Totally
Dependent on the US Government for Support
giving the US Government {Democrats} complete
Control over Individual Americans Financial Freedom.
Until the pending Economic Collapse of the US
Treasury due to the Foreign Capital Pull-out :
Buy and Hold bankers boxes of 100CNY Chinese
Notes or open-up a Chinese Bank Account in
China Yuan {Renminbi} not US Dollars; along
with buying and holding Gold and Silver.
Within a year maybe three at most the US Dollar
will be worth 5 to 10 Cents and the Yuan will be
on Parity {equal} with the Dollar meaning a 600%
to 700% Gain in the Yuan Bank Account Holdings.
The Gold and Silver will show roughly an Equal
Gain against the US Dollar too.
The Euro will be BUST as well as the EU.
On the good side Foreign Goods and Services
will be too costly for Americans to buy with a
100 {old} US Dollar Chinese made Celphone
costing 500 {new} US Dollars at Wal*Mart.
Over the next Decade Jobs will becoming back
to America in Factories Owned and Operated
by Foreign Investors and Made-in-American
will be the good 'cheaper' Products on the Shelf.
Many most Illegal Mexican Invaders will be
going back to Mexico as living there 'poor'
will be easier than living in the USA 'poor'.
it's a 'vision' thingee ~ RHF
.
.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
RHf,

So Obama laid his economic vision to Congress on Tuesday and the
market went up the last four days. I think you are ignoring REALITY
when you claim that every time Obama opens his mouth the market goes
lower.

mwb - praise be the obama,
Mwb - Praise Be The Obama.
MWB - PRAISE BE THE OBAMA !

The US Stock Market When Up Again Today
Due To His Great Leadership : Cause He stayed
in the White House and Said and Did Nothing ;;-}

Well, a few days ago, these right-wing turds -- and I count you among
them -- were gleefully rubbing their hands together because Obama's
stimulus package had passed, and then the stock market went into
decline. *I myself knew that the two events were in no way connected,
but you've got that little gaggle of dummies -- Valleley, Pookie, et al
-- who love making it Obama's fault. *I saw the stock market rose for a
couple of days, and I wondered what the little gaggle would honk about
after that. *Would they suddenly shut up, and in single file, goose-step
along as if nothing happened?

So, what is it? *Did his policies cause the decline, but not the rise in
stock prices? *You've got to make up your mind, because ya look kinda
foolish.

Maybe you don't have a mind to make up, so you make up connections
between events that don't exist.

--
__________________________________________________ __
Alric Knebel- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What I have been trying to say, it doesn't matter who is in there. The
former governor himself who got out of it (Jesse Ventura) said "it is
like professional wrestling, it is all staged, it's an act, they're
all friend who go out to dinner with each other." I think it has got
to the point that it can't be reversed. Greed and Money. The downfall
of the USA.:-(

Ventura was a failed governor who did not do anything worthwhile in
office. *He is a hypocrite as far as I'm concerned.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A failed governor because he didn't like that he had to play the game.
He didn't think it would be that bad. At least he was honest enough to
admit it and want to get out of it.

A response to Alex Jones’s “The Obama Deception”

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress....ama-deception/

www.renewamerica.us/columns/kemp/090313
cuhulin

In article
,
wrote:

A response to Alex Jones¹s ³The Obama Deception²

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress....-alex-joness-t
he-obama-deception/

Baloney. Maybe if he had a tete-prompter it would make more sense.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Mar 17, 3:43*pm, Alric Knebel wrote:
Charlie wrote:
On Mar 16, 3:32 pm, Alric Knebel wrote:
Charlie wrote:

Alric, there is plenty enough of blame to go around everywhere. *My
point is I guess we're still in dire times and will be for a few more
years. *It's going to take a long time before we are economically safe
as a country. *For Obama to say we're making progress is kind of
disingenuous to me. *We're not....that's not to say we can't sooner
than what was originally predicted. *I hope Obama succeeds with his
middle of the road policies but fails in those that over tax us and
create more government in our lives....we certainly don't need any
more government in our lives. *Don't always be so quick to think
conservatives want Obama to fail, I look at it as wanting his
socialist policies to fail and not those that both parties come
together for the betterment of the American people....maybe that's a
pie in the sky attitude but I have kids that are married and I
certainly want our economy to be strong for them no matter who is in
power.
Speaking of disingenuous, I think it's disingenuous to blame Obama for a
mess he was left, then blame the continuing decline of the stock market
on his policies. *I just saw that the stock market rose five days in a
row. *Now, I know that's all about something else, and I'm going to
watch Fox News to see how they're going to spin it to downplay the
events. *I don't believe it means much, but just a few days ago, your
side -- and you definitely have a side -- were putting the tombstone on
Obama's political grave.

As for this other conservative cliches about too much government in your
life, what would Obama be doing that would put more government in your
life? *Other people are already too much in your life, in that you have
insurance companies taking your money, then still further demanding a
co-pay while dictating what they will and will not cover. *Plus
employers, law enforcement, and so on. *It's disingenuous of you to fall
back on such a thin argument, that you object to Obama's "socialism" --
a favored right-wing trigger word (which is miraculously losing it's
powerr) -- on the grounds that it'll put too much government in your
life. *How?
--
__________________________________________________ __
Alric Knebel

Obama is the man in office now so the buck stops with him. *You sadly
are brainwashed by the leftist rhetoric that you absorb on a daily
basis. *That's my opinion and I could be wrong but it's how I view
it. *Many on the left embrace that ideology because of being
brainwashed that only liberals have compassion. *How sad.

So the stock market is rising. *So Obama is doing a great job? *Is that
what you're saying? *(Notice I didn't waste my time trying to explain it
better. *I kept it very simple.)

--
__________________________________________________ __
Alric Knebel

It is too soon to know if Obama is succeeding or not. Ask me in a
year. Anyone saying he's a disaster is being disingenuous. But
having said that I think he's made a few mistakes but nothing
noteworthy. As for the stock market its always been volatile. That
won't change anytime soon. Unlike you and your types and type of
thinking I'm willing to give this man time. Too bad your side had its
minds made up about Bush the minute he was elected...notice I didn't
say you did.

On Mar 18, 2:20*am, Bushcraftgregg wrote:
On Mar 17, 10:11*am, Charlie wrote:



On Mar 17, 3:18*am, Bushcraftgregg wrote:

On Mar 16, 3:46*am, Alric Knebel wrote:

~ RHF wrote:
On Mar 14, 6:04 am, Mike wrote:
On Mar 14, 2:26 am, "~ RHF" wrote:

On Mar 13, 4:41 am, BCBlazysusan wrote:
Before I start, I hope this doesn't turn into another knock down
insult everyone thread because that isn't what I want.
I have heard about the new video by Alex Jones called "The Obama
Deception." And before everyone starts typing their insults, the video
isn't just a tear down on Obama, which I was somewhat surprised.
MUCH of it also centers around former president Bush, I'll tell you,
the one thing I like about Alex is all he does is gather the
information. He even tells people on his show and I think also on this
video to "not just believe him".....to actually take the info that he
stated and google it. When it comes to all these presidential things
and bills and laws that are signed under the cloak of darkness and no
one even really knows what their about, you can look them up yourself.
I will say this much, every time Alex has mentioned something on his
show or on his website....I always checked it out, and he hasn't
bullcrapped once.
The video is 1hr 53 minutes long but it is well worth the time for the
amount of information and knowledge and facts that can't be disputed
that you will obtain. One thing I think within twenty minutes....it is
when they are talking to the former governor Jesse Ventura. Call me
crazy but I always thought and believed in the "democrats vs.
republicans"....and so did/does everyone else in here because we all
have jumped into or started threads on Bush or Obama or Dems or
Republicans. Jesse says "it is like professional wrestling".....it is
all staged...it is an act...lol. Remember back right before the
election and a few jumped on me when I said I believed that "if voting
'truly' made a difference, the government would outlaw it." Well, I
thought I was right in saying that and I was.
It isn't about Democrats and Republicans or Bush/Clinton or even
Obama, that is what they want everyone to think. Please try to not
respond if you haven't watched it and just start bickering. I'd really
like to know what SC/Telamon/RHF/Brenda Ann/Ace/BDK even Mike if he
can be halfway decent (only if you watched it) and everyone else in
here says but you can't really respond to a post about a video if you
never watched it. Trust me when I say it isn't just a tear down on
Obama himself. The majority of us in here are Americans (I think) and
even I have been guilty of ripping on Obama and the democrats, I will
look at it all a lot different from now on. Out of all us Americans in
here I think Brenda Ann may be the smartest one for not actually
living in the states. ;-) It's going to get bad guys, really bad,
worse than anything most of us have experienced. If I didn't name your
name I apologize, I can't remember everyones off the top of my head
but I am really curious as to what you all think AFTER you watch the
video. It should make for some good OT discussion.:-) I wonder if it
can be civil and if not who is going to be the one that starts the
crap. Just go to youtube or google video and type in "Obama
Deception"...on youtube it comes in twelve parts and to me it was
easier just to watch them all together in one shot on google video.
Looking forward to the responses.
Fear of ObamaNomics Destroyed to Valve of
100 Million American's Individual Retirement
Savings Accounts (IRAs, 401Ks & Roths)
1 - The Democrats Hate the Individual Freedom of
American's Individual Retirement Savings Accounts.
and have planned to destroy them for years.
2 - The Democrats want to force All Americans to
rely only on Social Security and become Totally
Dependent on the US Government for Support
giving the US Government {Democrats} complete
Control over Individual Americans Financial Freedom.
Until the pending Economic Collapse of the US
Treasury due to the Foreign Capital Pull-out :
Buy and Hold bankers boxes of 100CNY Chinese
Notes or open-up a Chinese Bank Account in
China Yuan {Renminbi} not US Dollars; along
with buying and holding Gold and Silver.
Within a year maybe three at most the US Dollar
will be worth 5 to 10 Cents and the Yuan will be
on Parity {equal} with the Dollar meaning a 600%
to 700% Gain in the Yuan Bank Account Holdings.
The Gold and Silver will show roughly an Equal
Gain against the US Dollar too.
The Euro will be BUST as well as the EU.
On the good side Foreign Goods and Services
will be too costly for Americans to buy with a
100 {old} US Dollar Chinese made Celphone
costing 500 {new} US Dollars at Wal*Mart.
Over the next Decade Jobs will becoming back
to America in Factories Owned and Operated
by Foreign Investors and Made-in-American
will be the good 'cheaper' Products on the Shelf.
Many most Illegal Mexican Invaders will be
going back to Mexico as living there 'poor'
will be easier than living in the USA 'poor'.
it's a 'vision' thingee ~ RHF
.
.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
RHf,

So Obama laid his economic vision to Congress on Tuesday and the
market went up the last four days. I think you are ignoring REALITY
when you claim that every time Obama opens his mouth the market goes
lower.

mwb - praise be the obama,
Mwb - Praise Be The Obama.
MWB - PRAISE BE THE OBAMA !

The US Stock Market When Up Again Today
Due To His Great Leadership : Cause He stayed
in the White House and Said and Did Nothing ;;-}

Well, a few days ago, these right-wing turds -- and I count you among
them -- were gleefully rubbing their hands together because Obama's
stimulus package had passed, and then the stock market went into
decline. *I myself knew that the two events were in no way connected,
but you've got that little gaggle of dummies -- Valleley, Pookie, et al
-- who love making it Obama's fault. *I saw the stock market rose for a
couple of days, and I wondered what the little gaggle would honk about
after that. *Would they suddenly shut up, and in single file, goose-step
along as if nothing happened?

So, what is it? *Did his policies cause the decline, but not the rise in
stock prices? *You've got to make up your mind, because ya look kinda
foolish.

Maybe you don't have a mind to make up, so you make up connections
between events that don't exist.

--
__________________________________________________ __
Alric Knebel- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What I have been trying to say, it doesn't matter who is in there. The
former governor himself who got out of it (Jesse Ventura) said "it is
like professional wrestling, it is all staged, it's an act, they're
all friend who go out to dinner with each other." I think it has got
to the point that it can't be reversed. Greed and Money. The downfall
of the USA.:-(

Ventura was a failed governor who did not do anything worthwhile in
office. *He is a hypocrite as far as I'm concerned.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A failed governor because he didn't like that he had to play the game.
He didn't think it would be that bad. At least he was honest enough to
admit it and want to get out of it.

Come on...you can do better than this, can't you?

On Mar 17, 1:27*pm, dave wrote:
Charlie wrote:
Alric Knebel

Obama is the man in office now so the buck stops with him. *You sadly
are brainwashed by the leftist rhetoric that you absorb on a daily
basis. *That's my opinion and I could be wrong but it's how I view
it. *Many on the left embrace that ideology because of being
brainwashed that only liberals have compassion. *How sad.

- Quick, name 5 liberals.

Clinton & Clinton, Carter, Frank, Dodd, Kennedy, Pelosi,
Reid, Biden Obama there are 10 Liberals. [Double or Nothing]