~ RHF wrote:
On Mar 17, 1:27 pm, dave wrote:
Charlie wrote:
Alric Knebel
Obama is the man in office now so the buck stops with him. You sadly
are brainwashed by the leftist rhetoric that you absorb on a daily
basis. That's my opinion and I could be wrong but it's how I view
it. Many on the left embrace that ideology because of being
brainwashed that only liberals have compassion. How sad.

- Quick, name 5 liberals.

Clinton & Clinton, Carter, Frank, Dodd, Kennedy, Pelosi,
Reid, Biden Obama there are 10 Liberals. [Double or Nothing]
.
Neither Clinton is a Liberal. Jimmy Carter wasn't either. Harry Reid
is not even close.

That being said, I said "quick" and I said it last Tuesday.

In article
,
Charlie wrote:

On Mar 17, 3:43*pm, Alric Knebel wrote:
Charlie wrote:
On Mar 16, 3:32 pm, Alric Knebel wrote:
Charlie wrote:

Alric, there is plenty enough of blame to go around everywhere. *My
point is I guess we're still in dire times and will be for a few more
years. *It's going to take a long time before we are economically safe
as a country. *For Obama to say we're making progress is kind of
disingenuous to me. *We're not....that's not to say we can't sooner
than what was originally predicted. *I hope Obama succeeds with his
middle of the road policies but fails in those that over tax us and
create more government in our lives....we certainly don't need any
more government in our lives. *Don't always be so quick to think
conservatives want Obama to fail, I look at it as wanting his
socialist policies to fail and not those that both parties come
together for the betterment of the American people....maybe that's a
pie in the sky attitude but I have kids that are married and I
certainly want our economy to be strong for them no matter who is in
power.
Speaking of disingenuous, I think it's disingenuous to blame Obama for a
mess he was left, then blame the continuing decline of the stock market
on his policies. *I just saw that the stock market rose five days in a
row. *Now, I know that's all about something else, and I'm going to
watch Fox News to see how they're going to spin it to downplay the
events. *I don't believe it means much, but just a few days ago, your
side -- and you definitely have a side -- were putting the tombstone on
Obama's political grave.

As for this other conservative cliches about too much government in your
life, what would Obama be doing that would put more government in your
life? *Other people are already too much in your life, in that you have
insurance companies taking your money, then still further demanding a
co-pay while dictating what they will and will not cover. *Plus
employers, law enforcement, and so on. *It's disingenuous of you to fall
back on such a thin argument, that you object to Obama's "socialism" --
a favored right-wing trigger word (which is miraculously losing it's
powerr) -- on the grounds that it'll put too much government in your
life. *How?
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__________________________________________________ __
Alric Knebel

Obama is the man in office now so the buck stops with him. *You sadly
are brainwashed by the leftist rhetoric that you absorb on a daily
basis. *That's my opinion and I could be wrong but it's how I view
it. *Many on the left embrace that ideology because of being
brainwashed that only liberals have compassion. *How sad.

So the stock market is rising. *So Obama is doing a great job? *Is that
what you're saying? *(Notice I didn't waste my time trying to explain it
better. *I kept it very simple.)

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__________________________________________________ __
Alric Knebel

It is too soon to know if Obama is succeeding or not. Ask me in a
year. Anyone saying he's a disaster is being disingenuous. But
having said that I think he's made a few mistakes but nothing
noteworthy. As for the stock market its always been volatile. That
won't change anytime soon. Unlike you and your types and type of
thinking I'm willing to give this man time. Too bad your side had its
minds made up about Bush the minute he was elected...notice I didn't
say you did.

It took him 3 months to figure out he needed to shut his yap. The bozo
is a slow learner.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Mar 19, 1:51*pm, dave wrote:
~RHFwrote:
On Mar 17, 1:27 pm, dave wrote:
Charlie wrote:
Alric Knebel
Obamais the man in office now so the buck stops with him. *You sadly
are brainwashed by the leftist rhetoric that you absorb on a daily
basis. *That's my opinion and I could be wrong but it's how I view
it. *Many on the left embrace that ideology because of being
brainwashed that only liberals have compassion. *How sad.

- Quick, name 5 liberals.

Clinton & Clinton, Carter, Frank, Dodd, Kennedy, Pelosi,
Reid, BidenObamathere are 10 Liberals. [Double or Nothing]
*.

- Neither Clinton is a Liberal. *
- Jimmy Carter wasn't either.
-*Harry Reid is not even close.
-
- That being said, I said "quick" and I said it last Tuesday.

Dave a liberal, is a Liberal. is a LIBERAL ! ~ RHF

Many/Most 'average' Americans would say that
Clinton & Clinton, Carter, Frank, Dodd, Kennedy, Pelosi,
Reid, Biden and Obama are all -l-i-b-e-r-a-l-s- ~ RHF

dave wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On Mar 17, 1:27 pm, dave wrote:
Charlie wrote:
Alric Knebel
Obama is the man in office now so the buck stops with him. You sadly
are brainwashed by the leftist rhetoric that you absorb on a daily
basis. That's my opinion and I could be wrong but it's how I view
it. Many on the left embrace that ideology because of being
brainwashed that only liberals have compassion. How sad.

- Quick, name 5 liberals.

Clinton & Clinton, Carter, Frank, Dodd, Kennedy, Pelosi,
Reid, Biden Obama there are 10 Liberals. [Double or Nothing]
.
Neither Clinton is a Liberal. Jimmy Carter wasn't either. Harry Reid
is not even close.

That being said, I said "quick" and I said it last Tuesday.


But Ronald Reagan was one hell of a socialist!

http://www.truthout.org/032009R

JB

John Barnard wrote:
dave wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On Mar 17, 1:27 pm, dave wrote:
Charlie wrote:
Alric Knebel
Obama is the man in office now so the buck stops with him. You sadly
are brainwashed by the leftist rhetoric that you absorb on a daily
basis. That's my opinion and I could be wrong but it's how I view
it. Many on the left embrace that ideology because of being
brainwashed that only liberals have compassion. How sad.

- Quick, name 5 liberals.

Clinton & Clinton, Carter, Frank, Dodd, Kennedy, Pelosi,
Reid, Biden Obama there are 10 Liberals. [Double or Nothing]
.
Neither Clinton is a Liberal. Jimmy Carter wasn't either. Harry Reid
is not even close.

That being said, I said "quick" and I said it last Tuesday.


But Ronald Reagan was one hell of a socialist!

http://www.truthout.org/032009R

JB


Everywhere there's lots of piggies...

" The retirement system was looted from the first day the Social
Security surplus came into being, because the legislation itself gave
the president a free hand to spend the surplus in any way he liked. Thus
began a massive transfer of wealth from the poor and the middle class,
especially the self-employed small businessman, to the wealthy. The
self-employment tax jumped as much as 66 percent.

In 1986, Reagan slashed the top tax rate further. His
redistributionist obsession led to a perversity in the law. The
wealthiest faced a 28 percent tax rate, while those with lower incomes
faced a 33 percent rate; in addition, the bottom rate climbed from 11
percent to 15 percent. For the first time in history, the top rate fell
and the bottom rate rose simultaneously. Even unemployment compensation
was not spared. The jobless had to pay income tax on their benefits. A
year later, the man who would not spare unemployment compensation from
taxation called for a cut in the capital gains tax. Thus, Reagan was a
staunch socialist, totally committed to his cause of wealth
redistribution towards the affluent.

How much wealth transfer has occurred through Reagan's policies? At
least $3 trillion.

The Social Security hike generated over $2 trillion in surplus
between 1984 and 2007, and if it had been properly invested, say, in AAA
corporate bonds it could have earned another trillion by now. At
present, the fund is empty, because it has been used up to finance the
federal deficits resulting from frequent cuts in income tax rates. If
this is not redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich, what
else is?

Thus, Reagan was the first Republican socialist - and a great one,
because his wealth transfer occurred on a massive scale. His
accomplishment dwarfs even FDR's, and if today the small businessman
suffers a crippling tax burden, he must thank Reagan the
redistributionist. However, FDR took pains to help the poor, while
Reagan took pains to help the wealthiest like himself.

Reagan's measures were similar to those that the Republicans
adopted during the 1920's, which were followed by the catastrophic
Depression. More recently, such policies were mimicked by President
George W. Bush and they are about to plunge the world into a depression
as well. Ironically, the Reagan-style socialism or wealth redistribution
is about to destroy monopoly capitalism, the very system that he wanted
to preserve and enrich."
-Ravi Batra comments that if Democratic President Barack Obama is a
"small" socialist, then Reagan was the "Great American Socialist."

On Mar 22, 11:36*am, dave wrote:
John Barnard wrote:
dave wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On Mar 17, 1:27 pm, dave wrote:
Charlie wrote:
Alric Knebel
Obama is the man in office now so the buck stops with him. *You sadly
are brainwashed by the leftist rhetoric that you absorb on a daily
basis. *That's my opinion and I could be wrong but it's how I view
it. *Many on the left embrace that ideology because of being
brainwashed that only liberals have compassion. *How sad.

- Quick, name 5 liberals.

Clinton & Clinton, Carter, Frank, Dodd, Kennedy, Pelosi,
Reid, Biden Obama there are 10 Liberals. [Double or Nothing]
*.
Neither Clinton is a Liberal. *Jimmy Carter wasn't either. *Harry Reid
is not even close.

That being said, I said "quick" and I said it last Tuesday.

But Ronald Reagan was one hell of a socialist!

http://www.truthout.org/032009R

JB

Everywhere there's lots of piggies...

" The retirement system was looted from the first day the Social
Security surplus came into being, because the legislation itself gave
the president a free hand to spend the surplus in any way he liked. Thus
began a massive transfer of wealth from the poor and the middle class,
especially the self-employed small businessman, to the wealthy. The
self-employment tax jumped as much as 66 percent.

* * *In 1986, Reagan slashed the top tax rate further. His
redistributionist obsession led to a perversity in the law. The
wealthiest faced a 28 percent tax rate, while those with lower incomes
faced a 33 percent rate; in addition, the bottom rate climbed from 11
percent to 15 percent. For the first time in history, the top rate fell
and the bottom rate rose simultaneously. Even unemployment compensation
was not spared. The jobless had to pay income tax on their benefits. A
year later, the man who would not spare unemployment compensation from
taxation called for a cut in the capital gains tax. Thus, Reagan was a
staunch socialist, totally committed to his cause of wealth
redistribution towards the affluent.

* * *How much wealth transfer has occurred through Reagan's policies? At
least $3 trillion.

* * *The Social Security hike generated over $2 trillion in surplus
between 1984 and 2007, and if it had been properly invested, say, in AAA
corporate bonds it could have earned another trillion by now. At
present, the fund is empty, because it has been used up to finance the
federal deficits resulting from frequent cuts in income tax rates. If
this is not redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich, what
else is?

* * *Thus, Reagan was the first Republican socialist - and a great one,
because his wealth transfer occurred on a massive scale. His
accomplishment dwarfs even FDR's, and if today the small businessman
suffers a crippling tax burden, he must thank Reagan the
redistributionist. However, FDR took pains to help the poor, while
Reagan took pains to help the wealthiest like himself.

* * *Reagan's measures were similar to those that the Republicans
adopted during the 1920's, which were followed by the catastrophic
Depression. More recently, such policies were mimicked by President
George W. Bush and they are about to plunge the world into a depression
as well. Ironically, the Reagan-style socialism or wealth redistribution
is about to destroy monopoly capitalism, the very system that he wanted
to preserve and enrich."
-Ravi Batra comments that if Democratic President Barack Obama is a
"small" socialist, then Reagan was the "Great American Socialist."

Dave,

The real difference is Reagan Grew America {GDP Up}
through Freedom from the Burden of Over Taxation.

-while- Obama is Shrinking America {GDP Down}
through More and More Excessive Taxation.

only time and history will tell ~ RHF

~ RHF wrote:


Dave,

The real difference is Reagan Grew America {GDP Up}
through Freedom from the Burden of Over Taxation.

-while- Obama is Shrinking America {GDP Down}
through More and More Excessive Taxation.

Reagan did not cut taxes. He increased them. He deferred them. The
middle class pay for the tax cuts for the rich. That is Reagan's
legacy; destruction of the American middle class and thereby the
destruction of the USA. It's over.