~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis

wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.

RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
.


Conservative logic - Torture works.

http://catherinemacivor.com/2009/04/...does-not-work/

"John Barnard" wrote:

Conservative logic - Torture works.

http://catherinemacivor.com/2009/04/...does-not-work/

Such primitive torture techniques described above and elsewhere belong to
the medieval ages. The perfect torture is such that doesn't leave any physical
evidence in forms of scares, burn-marks, destroyed lungs from water-boarding
or crippled legs from beating the feet. The perfect torture doesn't leave any physical
evidence, but rather a big scare on the soul of the victim. He/she is turned into a
human wreck without any obvious reason a doctor/therapist can relate to. There
are many obvious way make a subject psychically destroyed. Rape is a well know
technique that leaves the victim in state of a shock and trembling. Their whole believe
system becomes shattered. Their sense of honour gets crushed. Image how a Muslim
would feel being raped in the ass by a pig!

I dare not think about the modern techniques of psychological brain-wash and torture
the FSB (former KGB), NSAX [1] or even the Chinese are using today. They probably use
it remotely by some devilish laser-rays or neuron-rays. Has anybody really wondered
what all these low-orbiting satellites are doing up there. I'm sure they are there not just
for surveillance. These satellites are from 50km up and should have no problem reading
right over your shoulder and administer head-pain in anyone they care to torture.

My point is that these smarter agencies can administer torture from anywhere and to any
person living in a daily situation. The subject may not even be aware of the torture being
administered. One of the objectives of such torture would be to get the subject to feel
psychotic, mentally drained for live-force and in the ultimate end commit suicide. You see.
No evidence of torture. The coroner would have a slam-dunk case, but the ultimate goal
of the torturer would be obtained w/o compromising itself.

Are these techniques just science-fiction or are they being used today? I guess yes.
But how does one prove it. Duh, we can't; these techniques are a very well kept secret
of these agencies

[1] A supposedely super-secret US spy-agency that even the US president isn't aware.
These guys are answering to no one and get their funding from some secret channel.
The Iran-Contras case should be peanuts in comparison.

--gv

On May 5, 10:16*pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On May 5, 7:39 pm, "~ RHF" wrote: - wrote:

- Desiring to make more effective the struggle
- against torture and other cruel, inhuman or
- degrading treatment or punishment throughout
- the world.

VIDE - So 'You' are clearly against Torture
and therefore naturally you are also against :
The Death Penalty & Abortion & Partial Birth
Abortion & Life In Prison . . .

nah would be to consistent and morally logical ~ RHF
.
.

*i am not for right wing demagoguery.

I, personally, am against torture, the death penalty, abortion for any
purpose other than saving the life of the mother. *I am for life
imprisonment. I feel that is a just punishment for murder, rape, etc.

On May 5, 6:02*pm, wrote:
On May 5, 7:39*pm, "~ RHF" wrote: - wrote:

- Desiring to make more effective the struggle
- against torture and other cruel, inhuman or
- degrading treatment or punishment throughout
- the world.

VIDE - So 'You' are clearly against Torture
and therefore naturally you are also against :
The Death Penalty & Abortion & Partial Birth
Abortion & Life In Prison . . .

nah would be to consistent and morally logical ~ RHF
*.
*.

- *i am not for right wing demagoguery.

So that does not exclude 'demagoguery' as
a whole; and since you specified 'ring-wing' :
One could conclude that you were FOR
Left-Wing {Liberal} Demagoguery.

vide - but i think just about everyone here
knew that already ~ RHF

On May 5, 10:16*pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On May 5, 7:39 pm, "~ RHF" wrote: - wrote:

- Desiring to make more effective the struggle
- against torture and other cruel, inhuman or
- degrading treatment or punishment throughout
- the world.

VIDE - So 'You' are clearly against Torture
and therefore naturally you are also against :
The Death Penalty & Abortion & Partial Birth
Abortion & Life In Prison . . .

nah would be to consistent and morally logical ~ RHF
.
.

*i am not for right wing demagoguery.

- I, personally, am against
- torture,
- the death penalty,
- abortion for any purpose other than saving the life of the mother.
-
-*I am for life imprisonment.
- I feel that is a just punishment for murder, rape, etc.

BAD It is good to see that you know what
you are 'For' and 'Against' and can answer
with a simple 'Yes' or 'No' ~ RHF

On May 5, 9:41*pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-
Dog..com wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 14:54:25 -0700 (PDT), "~ RHF"
wrote:

RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?

- - Torture is terrorism.
- - If you want to create hypothetically that allow
- - it for you, have at it.
- - All it shows is *a vivid imagination and a lack
- - of morals.

- (D)Harry Truman *- Terrorist - ??????????????????

The Democrats Can't Get Any Greater Act of TERROR
than "The Buck Stops Here" Harry Truman [P-D] :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Truman
Ordering the Dropping of Nuclear Bombs on Japan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_...a_and_Nagasaki

On May 6, 5:56*am, Kevin Cunningham wrote:
On May 5, 5:54*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:



On May 5, 9:09*am, wrote: On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis

wrote:
On May 5, 1:00*am, "~ RHF" wrote:

Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?

Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? *Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?

One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders *of your own making?

- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.

RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
*.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
*.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
*.

The answer is that torture doesn't work.

Another Liberal Lie and Democrat Distortion :
Since what is now being called Torture did
help prevent a 9/11 type Attack on LA.

-*The answer is that you, personally, want to watch. *

KC - If you had ever saw a Family Member, a Friend
or Loved One In-Pain and Suffering : You Would Not
Want To Watch [.]

- You get your rocks off by hearing about torture.

KC - Typical Liberal-Fascist Thinking Torture = Sex.

-*You are a coward.

KC - 'coward'

- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...8979fbe8546cfa

~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 5:23 pm, dave wrote:
- - ~ RHF wrote:
- - So Liberal & Democrats Believe that it is OK
- - "Moral" to let your Family and Friends and
- - Loved Ones Die : When you could have 'possibly'
- - prevented it from happening to them.

- What profits a man who gains the world but loses his soul?

Dave - What profits a man who Save His Family and Friends
{Retains His World} -but- Tortures and/or Kills a Terrorist

He has a World with his Family and Friends
in it; and the Understanding and Forgiveness
of God{Allah} - Amen ~ RHF
.
.

You don't get it. You are willing to throw the country away to save
your own; that is not patriotism. The USA does not torture. That is a
core value.

“‘Treat them with humanity, and let them have no reason to complain of
our copying the brutal example of the British Army in their treatment of
our unfortunate brethren who have fallen into their hands,’ he wrote. In
all respects the prisoners were to be treated no worse than American
soldiers; and in some respects, better. Through this approach,
Washington sought to shame his British adversaries, and to demonstrate
the moral superiority of the American cause.”

In the worst of times – when foreign troops literally occupied American
soil, torturing and murdering American patriots – and few believed that
the cause of the revolution could ultimately win against the might of
the British Empire, the first Commander in Chief of the U.S.A. set the
precedent that this society is to lead even our enemies by “benignant
sympathy of [our] example.” To win the war against the occupying army of
Redcoats, the American revolutionaries needed right on their side."

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/...e-on-my-watch/

~ RHF wrote:
On May 6, 5:56 am, Kevin Cunningham wrote:
On May 5, 5:54 pm, "~ RHF" wrote:



On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote: On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis
wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.
RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
.
The answer is that torture doesn't work.

Another Liberal Lie and Democrat Distortion :
Since what is now being called Torture did
help prevent a 9/11 type Attack on LA.

That's not true. The alleged Library Tower plot was thwarted months
before Condi first gave the word to start torturing. This from official
Bush Administration timelines.

If you weren't so gung-ho to defend the undefensible you might bother to
learn the truth.

On May 7, 4:15*am, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-
Dog..com wrote:
John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis

wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? *Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders *of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.

RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
*.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
*.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
*.

Conservative logic - Torture works.

Liberal Logic - outing CIA agents is OK unless it's Valerye Plame.

It is? What CIA agents were outed for political purposes that
Liberals
did not decry?

Liberal Logic - Clinton Assassinating Usama Bin laden is OK but Bush
Waterboarding Bin Laden is a crime against humanity.

Some of this is just verbiage. Would you use the word "assassinating"
in relationship to what a swat team does to a hostage holding bank
robber? The distinction between appropriate and inappropriate use
of force is quite important.