On Jul 11, 7:01*pm, dave wrote:

Critical thinking is essential to democracy. *We need to make people
uncomfortable.

JA! HEIL HITLER!

As far as American Music goes, Big Band/Swing era Music on DirecTV, XM
40s on 4 is the ticket for me.Big Band/Swing Music always has been my
favorite American Music.

I like old Scots and Irish Music the best.

Tabhair Dom do Lamhhhhhhhh,,,,,,,
cuhulin

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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The audience for classical has declined as it died; changes in school
music programs have pretty much eliminated the creation of a new
generation or two of classical listeners. Opera is simply an extension of
this... there was never an all.opera station, as opera was an occasional
feature of classical formats.

You must be talking specifically about LA. I've lived in cities (Salt Lake
for one) that had dedicated opera stations (KWHO).

I never knew there was a dedicated opera station, and I have run two
classical stations, one as owner and one as manager.

You've pretty much made my point about choice.

Yes, it is obvious that you do not understand the diversity of taste. You
lump rock in one bucket, yet the average alternative listener will never use
a classic rock station, for example. The listener to Hot AC (which is
between CHR and traditional AC) generally does not like other forms of AC...
to listeners, each of the names means a different proximity or distance from
personal taste.

There is a big difference between an Urban that plays deep hip hop and r&b,
and a CHR or CHUban that plays only crossover "lite" hip hop like Akon.

That long list you made is all the same thing pretty much. Fudging the
names doesn't change that fact.

When you realize that the audience for an oldies station is mostly NOT the
audience for a classic hits station (one is 60's based, the other 70's) the
distinctions are very, very real. They are the differences between listening
and not listening. The reasons the names exist is that the formats are very
different, and have limite title overlaps. Generally, format names are used
to identify to time buyers what kind of station each set of calls
represents.

Also, you are in a very large market. Smaller markets (like Salt Lake and
Portland, OR) used to have much wider variety of choices than they now do.

Actually, they don't. Pre-consolidation, each individual owner tried to win
with the biggest formats... so we had 5 ACs in Cleveland and 3 CHRs in
Seattle. Now, with clusters, we can look for individual and sometimes
comoplementary formats that give better results without having head on
battles for the country or CHR or AC or Urban leader.

And I STILL resent your (and the ******* industry's assertion that all of
us that like things like classical, MOR and Beautiful music are all dead or
not worth marketing to.

Radio is not at fault here, and I have told you that repeatedly.

Commercial radio can only program things advertisers will buy. Audiences
under 18 and over 55 are not on ad buys for radio... essentially, never. So
there is no money for formats that apeal to older folks so radio can not do
them specifically.

Beautiful music died because the public's interest in instrumental music
died. They no longer wanted to hear it... in the 50's andd 60's there were
numerous instrumental hits. Today, irrespective of the format, there are
none. Even listeners to formats that play 60's music don't want to hear Walk
Don't Run and Telstar any more. Radio reacts by not playing instrumentals,
and since they don't sell, the record companies stop producing them.

None of this is radio's issue... if instrumentals come back, stations will
play them.

MOR artists are all dead, except for Wayne Newton who is probably a hologram
or a mummy.... there is nearly no audience at all for that format and none
under about 70.

I'm only 54 years
old, and have at least another 15 years of making an income (and spending
it) and at least another 20 years or more of time to listen. Boomers may
be aging, but dammit we're not DEAD.

If no advertisers wish to reach you, radio can not serve you. Get public
radio to do classical (they do in some markets) and instrumental slush and
MOR... but since most survive on donations, they will not last.

Instead, go tell Proctor and Gamble that the hundreds of millions a year
they spend on marketing research is wrong...

On Jul 11, 4:04*pm, Poetic Justice wrote:
dave wrote:
0baMa0 Tse Dung wrote:
Rumblings continue from the FCC on fairness, diversity and mandates
for broadcasters.

The airwaves belong to the people. *They should serve the people, not
large corporations. *Radio was better when ownership was limited to a
few stations per company.

The Constitution says FREE SPEECH, NOT *EQUAL SPEECH*

perhaps you missed the part of the constitution called the supremacy
clause. of course, you have seen it before, which means you are
impervious to facts, logic, and reason.


THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE
Article. VI.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be
made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be
made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme
Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby,
any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary
notwithstanding.


The preemption doctrine derives from the Supremacy Clause of the
Constitution which states that the "Constitution and the laws of the
United States...shall be the supreme law of the land...anything in the
constitutions or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."
This means of course, that any federal law--even a regulation of a
federal agency--trumps any conflicting state law.

On Jul 11, 6:09*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

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"0baMa0 Tse Dung" wrote in message
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On Jul 11, 9:12 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
We may have the 'freedom' to choose what we listen to on the radio, but
the
choice, thanks to corporatized radio, is miniscule.

Ja, unt Government will give you more for less - bwaHAHAHAHA!

You have never had a greater choice in radio programming in all of
history.
STOP with the Liberal Fascist propaganda lies!

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

The choices of radio formats in most cities have dwindled to but a few:

Hip Hop
Oldies
Country (not in many east coast cities)

Except for New York, name me two East Coast metros without a country
station.

Sports/talk
Rock

Well, let's look at LA. Around 13 million people, 91 or 92 licensed
stations.

We have:
Liberal talk
Sports talk
Conservative talk
All News
Christian Talk
NPR / Talk
Childrens' (Disney)
Contemporary Christian
Christian Teaching
CHR
Alternative Rock
Classic Rock
AAA
Rhythmic AC
Traditional AC
Oldies (actually "Classic Hits" as we have no real oldies station)
Country
Jazz
Rhythmic Oldies
Urban
Classical
Hurban
Smooth Jazz
Adult Hits
Americana
CHUrban
Spanish CHR
Spanish AC
Spanish Adult Hits
Spanish All Sports
Spanish talk
Spanish Regional Mexican (equivalent of country)
Spanish rhythmic
Spanish religious
Spanish regional Oldies
In addition there are stations in Korean, Vietnamese and Chinese as well as
ones that combine various Asian languages.
And, finally, there is a station 24/7 in Farsi.

I can't really think of anything that is missing. And compared to the 60's,
the number of viable alternatives has more than trippled.



Gone from almost all venues are classical, opera, jazz, easy listening and
MOR.

The audience for classical has declined as it died; changes in school music
programs have pretty much eliminated the creation of a new generation or two
of classical listeners. Opera is simply an extension of this... there was
never an all.opera station, as opera was an occasional feature of classical
formats.

Jazz was never a broadly successful (read: it did not have many listeners)
anywhere. My first job was at a jazz station, WCUY,, in Cleveland, so I have
followed the genre, and it has few followers, even in the few places where
there are pockets of interest. Also, it is an art form that is dying due to
the ageing of its artistas and fans.

Easy listening and MOR are similar... they aged with the listener groups and
eventually there was no market. I did (as in managed, programmed and sold) a
syndicated Beautiful Music format and by the ending years of the 80's, there
was neither an audience nor any new music to be had; I had to spend a lot of
money as part of an alliance of syndicators to get familar hits recorded in
instrumental versions to keep the format fresh... even that failed after
time.

MOR died with its listeners.

You have named formats that aged out of existence because new generations
did not like the music and the older ones croaked. New formats based on new
music forms have come to replace them.



Tell us again how we have more choices than ever.. perhaps we have more
choices of where to listen to Rush Limbaugh and George Noory.. more places
to listen to Fitty Cent.. more places to listen to the same tired old 50
or so oldies tracks on the average oldies playlists.. but real CHOICE..
nope.

When I grew up in what was then a Top 10 market, long before any FM "made
the ratings" we had 8 AMs... one a daytimer, and one a suburban Class IV.
There were three formats. 2 were r&b, 3 were Top 40 and 3 were MOR. That was
real choice.

That market now has more than 20 differentiable choices in formats. that is
nearly 7 times the number of choices as before.

every city has 13 million people. have you ever heard of play lists?
that means someone else chooses what you are listening to. most
stations use play lists.
nice try, in free market america, you have tons of choices, that are
almost all the same.

On Jul 11, 6:15*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

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"Poetic Justice" wrote in message
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Space to sell News papers is finite, we need to insure that we have
equal Conservative and Liberal Paper sales.

Conservative and Liberal newspapers are all 95% ad space anymore, and are
equally fit for wrapping fish and lining bird cages.

In truth, it is the opposite. No form of the media has been harder hit by
the Internet and the recession as newspapers. Classifieds, formerly multiple
sections of papers, are nearly gone. Auto supplements and sections are gone,
and advertising is minimal. Real estate, like auto and classifieds, has gone
to the web and is far less visible in print. Circulation is off, and papers
have horrible reach of 18-44 year olds, so most other ad categories are off.
Papers have cut sections, because they can't support them. Most are pretty
bare in terms of ads.

It's pretty disingenuous to say that papers are 95% ads when the New York
Times is bleeding to death, Gannett and McClatchy are at the rim of
bankruptcy, and revenues have collapsed everywhere.

because they were purchased, or infiltrated by hedge funds that drove
up debts, so that the parasitical hedge fund could sit by their pools,
and collect checks from the cash flow. they created such bland papers,
that they drove almost everyone away, no matter the age.
now they cannot pay their bills. to bad, the papers backed free
market economics, and now its bite them in the ass.

On Jul 11, 6:45*pm, "Chas. Chan" wrote:


who cares what some right wing lying nut cases say. the truth is,
that bush broke the law, and trampled on the constitution, he should
be in jail for high crimes.

On Jul 11, 7:32*pm, "Chas. Chan" wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:01*pm, dave wrote:



Critical thinking is essential to democracy. *We need to make people
uncomfortable.

JA! *HEIL HITLER!

hitler hated liberals, he killed over 6.5 million jews because most
of them are liberal. he
killed communists, socialists, trade unionists, the mentally retarded,
the physical disabled, the unemployed, whom he all considered useless
eaters.
liberals would not kill for your political and economic beliefs, the
constitution is a liberal document, that grants you those rights.
liberals would house the retarded, help the disabled, and provide
unemployment benefits for the unemployed. once again you have proven
that propaganda can work on the truly stupid.

Brenda Ann wrote:
"m II" wrote in message ...
dave wrote:


I'm 12 miles South of the San Andreas Fault. The part they're talking
about.




Will you still be able to see the mainland should the ....


errr...sorry...never mind...


I believe the S.A. fault is moving inward and northward. Much more likely
he'd be moving (very slowly) to southern Oregon..


There's a school of thought that posits that some of the San Andreas
stress was relieved by the Landers and Hector Mine quakes back in the '90s.

David Eduardo wrote:


Beautiful music died because the public's interest in instrumental music
died. They no longer wanted to hear it... in the 50's andd 60's there
were numerous instrumental hits. Today, irrespective of the format,
there are none. Even listeners to formats that play 60's music don't
want to hear Walk Don't Run and Telstar any more. Radio reacts by not
playing instrumentals, and since they don't sell, the record companies
stop producing them.

None of this is radio's issue... if instrumentals come back, stations
will play them.

MOR artists are all dead, except for Wayne Newton who is probably a
hologram or a mummy.... there is nearly no audience at all for that
format and none under about 70.


Tell it to these guys Dwardo.

http://somafm.com/